I wish the untamed pet panel (not unleashed) would be baseline

[InsaneQR.7412]

There is not much more to explain.

 

The non unleashed pet state control panel would be fantastic to be baseline. This would give pets enough controllability to really feel like a class mechanic.

 

Also: Anet invested already the resources to give untamed this panel, so it woudnt eat many more resources to give it to core ranger as well.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by InsaneQR.7412

[GoldenPants.1870]

Silly person, the main pet spec is mechanist and not ranger, why would ranger ever benefit from that ?

 

(obvious sarcasm)

Edited December 13, 2021 by GoldenPants.1870

[OGDeadHead.8326]

On 12/4/2021 at 12:01 AM, InsaneQR.7412 said:

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All in favor of this, IF you at the same time get the option to place pet skills of your choice to autocast.

[InsaneQR.7412]

1 hour ago, OGDeadHead.8326 said:

All in favor of this, IF you at the same time get the option to place pet skills of your choice to autocast.

Yeah pet skill auto cast should be a thing. 

It would finally give base ranger pets more versatility because you can use their abilities more effectively. Even if teh complexity of the class would rise.

[anduriell.6280]

On 12/13/2021 at 2:59 PM, InsaneQR.7412 said:

Yeah pet skill auto cast should be a thing. 

It would finally give base ranger pets more versatility because you can use their abilities more effectively. Even if teh complexity of the class would rise.

Yes I could get behind this, but only if the auto cast option is in. 
There are plenty of pet skills which are plain close gaps or plain dps increase which we would cast on CD. It is extremely annoying to micromanage the pets so much, I don’t think we ever asked for that much micromanagement. 

 

[InsaneQR.7412]

8 hours ago, anduriell.6280 said:

Yes I could get behind this, but only if the auto cast option is in. 
There are plenty of pet skills which are plain close gaps or plain dps increase which we would cast on CD. It is extremely annoying to micromanage the pets so much, I don’t think we ever asked for that much micromanagement. 

 

Honestly i dont mind the micromanagement as long as i get more control. But having an autocast on skills that you can spam of CD would definetly eleviate a lot of unnecessary button pressing.

Also there is the existing issu that some pets have skills that are questionable why it even is a full skill while others (cough SS cough) have a full skill list with good skills that have either damage, CC or utility attached to them. IMO all pets should be equip?ed with one gap closer, one CC skill and an F2 that provides utility or more damage to cover all bases and equalize the vanilla pet gap.

Edited December 15, 2021 by InsaneQR.7412

[Kaenaydar.5631]

On 12/14/2021 at 5:50 PM, anduriell.6280 said:

Yes I could get behind this, but only if the auto cast option is in. 
There are plenty of pet skills which are plain close gaps or plain dps increase which we would cast on CD. It is extremely annoying to micromanage the pets so much, I don’t think we ever asked for that much micromanagement. 

 

Only thing im hating about Untamed atm as a core Ranger main. The whole micromanage pets to use skills that they do fine already is kinda annoying. I want to like Untamed given i dont have the build for a druid as a ascended marauder build. Nor do i like Soul Beast and losing my pets Untamed did right i could see it being a alternative for someone like myself. I took to the Ranger job because i have a learning disability and class is easy to play. I would love if Untamed became a viable elite spec for someone like myself. I even already put a svaard hammer together to go with my longbow instead of longbow and duel axes.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Kaenaydar.5631

[draxynnic.3719]

On 12/15/2021 at 8:50 AM, anduriell.6280 said:

Yes I could get behind this, but only if the auto cast option is in. 
There are plenty of pet skills which are plain close gaps or plain dps increase which we would cast on CD. It is extremely annoying to micromanage the pets so much, I don’t think we ever asked for that much micromanagement. 

 

If you can put ALL of the skills on autocast, including the species-specific skill, that could actually reduce the complexity (at the cost of control). Could potentially set it up so it could be anything from "pet is fully autonomous" to "player controls everything except the autoattack" (which is where untamed is currently sitting).

[Kaenaydar.5631]

On 12/20/2021 at 5:51 AM, draxynnic.3719 said:

If you can put ALL of the skills on autocast, including the species-specific skill, that could actually reduce the complexity (at the cost of control). Could potentially set it up so it could be anything from "pet is fully autonomous" to "player controls everything except the autoattack" (which is where untamed is currently sitting).

I would love having all 3 pet skills on auto cast. That would mean i could focus on raids and fractals without needing to worry about my pet not doing its potential. Truth be told if im in a fractal or raid i sometimes forget about the pet trying to focus on surviving.

Edited December 21, 2021 by Kaenaydar.5631

[Zyreva.1078]

Autocast for directly controllable pet skills would be a waste of dev work. In PvE pet dps is negligible either way (which is why perma merged soulbeast is the way to go for dps builds) and in PvP autocast would be supar to directly controlled skills if the player knows what he is doing and and super annoying for opponents and an unhealthy mechanic if the ranger does not know what he is doing and gets carried by lucky AI rng.

Edited December 21, 2021 by UmbraNoctis.1907

[InsaneQR.7412]

4 hours ago, UmbraNoctis.1907 said:

Autocast for directly controllable pet skills would be a waste of dev work. In PvE pet dps is negligible either way (which is why perma merged soulbeast is the way to go for dps builds) and in PvP autocast would be supar to directly controlled skills if the player knows what he is doing and and super annoying for opponents and an unhealthy mechanic if the ranger does not know what he is doing and gets carried by lucky AI rng.

I think this is less of a DPS change than a general QoL change so that your pet just uses some skills that dont need to be controlled by the player. Direct Pet control is fantastic because of utility and not damage. Better controlled Cc, heals and buffs are more usable if not spammed. The damage skills get currently spammed by the pet nowadays and dont excel that hard in damage plus they often lack utility so direct control is less crucial.

Also, if autocast would be subpar in PvP you could just easily remove it and play it manually instead. Further, if a player goes full on autocast it wouldnt be much different to current pets in PvP where ppl wine about pet AI since the dawn of the game. Albeit that most rangers that are actually goid in PvP use pets for the utility and the distraction and not for the damage afaik.

Edited December 21, 2021 by InsaneQR.7412

[Zyreva.1078]

21 minutes ago, InsaneQR.7412 said:

I think this is less of a DPS change than a general QoL change so that your pet just uses some skills that dont need to be controlled by the player. Direct Pet control is fantastic because of utility and not damage. Better controlled Cc, heals and buffs are more usable if not spammed. The damage skills get currently spammed by the pet nowadays and dont excel that hard in damage plus they often lack utility so direct control is less crucial.

Well, you are essentially confirming that having (optional) autocast for pet skills won't really matter in PvE.

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Also, if autocast would be subpar in PvP you could just easily remove it and play it manually instead. Further, if a player goes full on autocast it wouldnt be much different to current pets in PvP where ppl wine about pet AI since the dawn of the game. Albeit that most rangers that are actually goid in PvP use pets for the utility and the distraction and not for the damage afaik.

Pet dmg is actually quite important fo core ranger in PvP. And players had to rely on pet AI, because there was no other option for rangers (and it has been holding the class back in competitive play pretty much since forever), but now that they have developed an improved system for ranger pets, why not capitalize on it instead of backpedaling because some players are too lazy or incapable of pressing a few extra buttons?

Edited December 21, 2021 by UmbraNoctis.1907

[InsaneQR.7412]

6 hours ago, UmbraNoctis.1907 said:

Well, you are essentially confirming that having (optional) autocast for pet skills won't really matter in PvE.

Pet dmg is actually quite important fo core ranger in PvP. And players had to rely on pet AI, because there was no other option for rangers (and it has been holding the class back in competitive play pretty much since forever), but now that they have developed an improved system for ranger pets, why not capitalize on it instead of backpedaling because some players are too lazy or incapable of pressing a few extra buttons?

No i didnt say autocast does not matter. It just said its more of a QoL change than for DPS. Its not always about damage sometimes utility can do wonders to make a system feel good.

Further i think full on Autocast on everything would be idiotic. But letting your pet cast one skill automatic apart fromlthe auto atgack would be fair.

The swiftness buff on birds for example or chomp on drakes are skills that i would put on autocast just because they are not impactful enough to press off cooldown but still provide some use for both the ranger or the pet.

Edited December 22, 2021 by InsaneQR.7412

[anduriell.6280]

2 hours ago, InsaneQR.7412 said:

The swiftness buff on birds for example or chomp on drakes are skills that i would put on autocast just because they are not impactful enough to press off cooldown but still provide some use for both the ranger or the pet.

Most pets have one skill at least one we can put on autocast. Felines Mauls for example. 

There is no point entertaining other ideas, pets need to be able to run some skills on autocast if the player chooses to. This current design is simply a pain in line with the rest of the untamed design. 

[Avatar.3568]

On 12/14/2021 at 11:50 PM, anduriell.6280 said:

Yes I could get behind this, but only if the auto cast option is in. 
There are plenty of pet skills which are plain close gaps or plain dps increase which we would cast on CD. It is extremely annoying to micromanage the pets so much, I don’t think we ever asked for that much micromanagement. 

 

I was asking for that quiet a while, higher micromanagement gives more possibilities to for a higher skill gap and more individual plays, I really want that to be baseline for Ranger. 

 

Tbh untamed feels like a Ranger rework that's now used for the addon