Stop trying to make Harbinger power and buff PvE Reaper instead.

[Puck.3697]

2 hours ago, Kain Francois.4328 said:

Eh... I think Reaper is fine.

Instead, I'd like to see more trait variety for power Necro. Like adding more damage multipliers to Death Magic.

Being able to raise a minion armor while dealing good DPS should be a Reaper thing.

Well reapers "viable" if thats what u mean.. Reapers defintly not competitive with the Current pure DPS Options however..

Condi Reaper does like 37k DPS However.. so maybe thats its Point now haha

Edited December 9, 2021 by Daddy.8125

[Kain Francois.4328]

I think the problem with Reaper isn't a dps issue but a fun and flavor issue. It lacks toys aside from DPSing.

[Puck.3697]

44 minutes ago, Kain Francois.4328 said:

I think the problem with Reaper isn't a dps issue but a fun and flavor issue. It lacks toys aside from DPSing.

Hmm maybe I think pure DPS builds are fine. Fun and flavor could be down to the simplistic gameplay of power reaper really. 

I think most play reaper as a power DPS. Which DPS wise does seem to keep falling further and further behind. 

And Condi reaper now doing more DPS then power reaper will likely annoy people who want power reaper. 

Ironic to the post 

It looks like Condi reaper and power Harbinger are gonna be the outcome 😂 rather back to front but I suspose at core it's a fine outcome. But if harbingers only doing 36k DPS maybe a problem. 

Condi reaper does 37k and even that's looking quite small compared to some things. And Condi reaper is now necros highest DPS choice. 

Ofcourse I'd be surprised if harbinger does less then 39k DPS at launch.. it looks like these changes were primarily because in first beta in PvE apprantly u didn't end up using most of the kit to DPS? 😂 Didn't test myself so unsure to exactly what was going on

[Methuselah.4376]

6 hours ago, Zenith.7301 said:

 

 

Putting modifiers on core traitlines doesn't help reaper if the competing elite specs it's up against also benefit from it.

 

Reaper is supposed to be the power DPS elite spec, and it currently fails really badly at it in raids. It is eclipsed by scourge in every way, and now will be eclipsed by Harbinger as well.

 

And that's just intraclass balance. When compared against other classes, it's actually in a worse state than power revenant, and that's hard to beat.

 

Nightfall is ineffective as a boon corruptions compared to feast of corruption. For one, much longer cd, and the ability is used rotationally in a longer loop. It's a far inferior tool for boon strip.

But no Elite should have so much power invested in it. Elites, while they do obviously bring a lot of power, are also more focused on changing the playstyle. At this point I'd rather have Anet invest more in necro core traitlines because that ultimately improves necro as a whole rather than just one Elite spec. The changes I recommend will still bring Reaper as the best power DPS option. Power Harbinger is not going to happen; they could add+40% damage modifiers for power Harbinger and I doubt it would make too much of a difference because the issue is with Harbinger shroud skills not having high enough power coefficients and base power damage and the problem with power options available to core - dagger sucks big time. 

I mean I am with you in that Reaper is obviously the best power option for necro and it shouldn't be a case of it having a better condi dps build than a power one. And I also love Reaper (whole reason I bought HoT was cause I was in love with the idea of Reaper so much), but you can't make it ridiculous then. 

The boon strip on Nightfall is pretty much "free", and it's good enough considering it is also blinding and damaging enemies while having the area expanding with every pulse. Feast of Corruption has the edge because it's on a condi weapon and a portion of necro's condi damage output, at least originially, was meant to come from corruption. You still have Corrupt Boon and Well of Corruption if you really need to strip so many boons (and in a PvE situation where the damage benchmark matters most, it's hardly ever a thing to consider as Nightfall is plenty for most of the boons you encounter). If you are going to say "But why should I take skill A when weapon X does something similar on a different build? Why not lump it on my favourite play style?" then you are missing the point of having build variety. Yes Feast of Corruption is a better boon corruption tool, but Greatsword overall is better at shutting down enemies - chill, blinds, vulnerability, pull, and a bit of boon strip.

If you want to add flavour to GS3, I would just add that it is unblockable as it is "drilling through the enemy's defences". A relatively meaningless change in PvE but a significant one in PvP. 

[Teratus.2859]

16 hours ago, Daddy.8125 said:

He said in organized PvE content. 

Id also like to state, does ranged really exist in PvE given the nature of having to stack in melee range with any weapon for boon sharing and healing. 

Being ranged isn't realistically a survivability buff. When the game mechanics puts you in melee combat anyway. 

Scourges ranged DPS build has been outdpsing melee reaper for a long time now in all honesty.

Well that can vary in organised PvE, Raids less so but other group content when boon sharing and healing are useful but less necessary like strikes and fractals it still applies.
In regards to healing specifically this is one of the better benefits to range play anyway since typically you will be taking far far less damage if not no damage what so ever so you'll never need healing support if you play well.
The bigger disadvantage is missing out on boon spam, for the most part might and fury but there are ways to get around at least some of that on some classes..
But it'll always be inferior to being in the boon spam, no argument there.

There's not that much that forces you into melee but there is a lot that makes it beneficial to be there, and there's always the tactic of switching which is something I do a lot on my Ranger, exploiting Sword 2&3 to enter and back out of melee combat to set up a buffed Rapid Fire and Barrage combo.

Harbinger won't have too much issue with this either since it's a mid range focused spec with Pistol and doesn't benefit from increased damage at range like Ranger does, so it can be close enough to benfit from boon spam without needing to go all in on melee.

As far as Scourge goes yea it probably has since most players still consider the spec to be underpowered where as the opposite is closer to the truth if you ask me.
You can find a good few videos that Might Teapot has made showing how broken/OP Scourge really is at times lol, specially in raids etc

Edited December 9, 2021 by Teratus.2859

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3 hours ago, Methuselah.4376 said:

mean I am with you in that Reaper is obviously the best power option for necro and it shouldn't be a case of it having a better condi dps build than a power one. And I also love Reaper (whole reason I bought HoT was cause I was in love with the idea of Reaper so much), but you can't make it ridiculous then

Agreed tbh it's healthier for the proffession long term to have a stronger core then buffing elites specifically. Although I don't think Condi reaper is that bad. 

2 hours ago, Teratus.2859 said:

As far as Scourge goes yea it probably has since most players still consider the spec to be underpowered where as the opposite is closer to the truth if you ask me.
You can find a good few videos that Might Teapot has made showing how broken/OP Scourge really is at times lol, specially in raids

Yeah scourge is overpowered 😂 

In fractals it's more a burst condi thing due to how exposed now works, in raids it's ridiculously strong at what it does. 

[The Boz.2038]

I actually *loathe* the fact that reaper/core gets free precision. I think Anet overvalues its use in PvE, and the use in PvP is obvious. It holds Reaper back.