WvW need a new attribute that counters Crit Damage

[subversiontwo.7501]

2 hours ago, Brandon Uzumaki.1524 said:

Oh yeah please, let's make the invincible blobs even more invincible, i play that Herald Hammer build, and when i'm not inside a blob of my own, all my "super high crit damaging skills" deal like 2k to 5k damage on the main people.

Just 25-33% of those "main people's" HP pools.

So it would take 3-4 Brandons out of 50 to press one button at the same time on the same player to achieve a kill.

Boy, that sure sounds challenging to me.

Edited December 5, 2021 by subversiontwo.7501

[Tungsten Monarch.6058]

"WvW need a new attribute that counters Crit Damage" .... it's called the toughness attribute.

[Caedmon.6798]

More sustain ? Do you even play this game ?

[Raiken.1476]

Why would it have to be a stat? The stat is toughness already. You can use other things to counter incoming crits, such as Weakness, Protection, Aegis, blocking and evasion. Make better use of those and you won't have to rely on the relatively low defense you get from toughness.

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

Somebody ate a rapid fire didn't they.

[primatos.5413]

On 12/4/2021 at 6:50 PM, ASP.8093 said:

Did you forget about the big damage nerf a year ago?

Still enough broken bs out there..  and conditions still not affected by toughness i think? So you get condi bomb and once u run out of cleanse .. good luck

Edited December 6, 2021 by primatos.5413
Android gone crazy

[Dawdler.8521]

40 minutes ago, primatos.5413 said:

Still enough broken bs out there..  and conditions still not affected by toughness u think? So you get condi bomb and once u run outbof cleanse .. good luck

And still some of if not the strongest builds are power. Its amazing really.

[ollbirtan.2915]

Ele is obviously OP then ----- nerf to Earth anyone? 🤣

[ASP.8093]

1 hour ago, primatos.5413 said:

Still enough broken bs out there..  and conditions still not affected by toughness i think? So you get condi bomb and once u run out of cleanse .. good luck

1. What does any of that have to do with the OP's gripes about crit damage?

2. If conditions were affected by Toughness it would just make the worst of the bunker condi builds even stronger. (Decent Power damage builds can't afford a lot of Toughness; full Minstrel zerg support types tend to have tons of cleanse. That leaves Trailblazer condi tanks now being even stronger against enemy condi output.)

3. You're supposed to run out of cleanse eventually if you just keep facetanking the hits.

[Virdo.1540]

Weakness, Dodging, Toughness, protection, blocks, immunities, all those other damage reductions (traits, food, class specific skills), evades... there are imo too many things that make Power classes pretty bad in WvW.

Edited December 6, 2021 by Virdo.1540

[kamikharzeeh.8016]

only dmg that should get nerfed is siege vs players, maybe

 

the rest of the dmg is just really bad yet.

 

nothing dies unless u totally nuke it or play some weird glasscannon meme class/build/specs

[Brandon Uzumaki.1524]

20 hours ago, subversiontwo.7501 said:

Just 25-33% of those "main people's" HP pools.

So it would take 3-4 Brandons out of 50 to press one button at the same time on the same player to achieve a kill.

Boy, that sure sounds challenging to me.

Yeah, assuming they stand still like a Golem, and are all running Berskerker Gear with Scholar Runes then sure, very easy.

[Dagger.2035]

It's crazy to me that people are still complaining about damage these days.  Condition builds have been pushed out of the meta and nerfed due to constant whining on these forums.  If strike damage gets nerfed any further, then only numbers will determine who wins a fight.  The only two professions left with AOE spike damage are Revenant and Elementalist.  The damage nerfs caused Scourge and Guardian AOEs to spread too much now so you can't reliably produce downs unless you run these builds with a coordinated group.

[Paradoxoglanis.1904]

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PKwAEd7lZwsYeMMWJW0O5LbA-zVIYXUzXINWBZmA9GCeMLWspB-w

have you tried getting more toughness?

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

38 minutes ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PKwAEd7lZwsYeMMWJW0O5LbA-zVIYXUzXINWBZmA9GCeMLWspB-w

have you tried getting more toughness?

Weapon swap sigils proc independent of which set you swap into/out of. Change one of the Sigil of Vision for a Sigil of Momentum. Take a potion of Karka Toughness. You'll get another 275 toughness that way. Then fight near your own territories only for that sweet Guild Objective Aura for another 100 toughness, and take a full set of toughness infusions.

5k base toughness, 6k if you stunbreak. 

[GoldenPants.1870]

On 12/5/2021 at 2:18 AM, Telgum.6071 said:

More like a stat that counters condition damage

There’s already 2 game mechanics to do that, cleanse, and to a lesser degree Resolution.

[Telgum.6071]

21 minutes ago, GoldenPants.1870 said:

There’s already 2 game mechanics to do that, cleanse, and to a lesser degree Resolution.

Cleanse doesn't come close to half condition spam unless you play Elementalist , Ranger or SA Thief. Resolution has been reworked and nerfed.

And it doesn't really matter anyway because we are talking about stats, not mechanics. For crit chance you have toughness and vitality, for condition you have only vitality and it isn't enough, specially in WvW against offtank condition spamers.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Telgum.6071

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

ClEaNsES.

 

Mkay but strike damage has to deal with blinds, blocks, aegis, dodges, evades... Condi ticks bypass all of that.

 

[Dawdler.8521]

5 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

ClEaNsES.

 

Mkay but strike damage has to deal with blinds, blocks, aegis, dodges, evades... Condi ticks bypass all of that.

 

No it doesnt because the condi still have to hit.

If you dodge my 25k burn damage blowtorch and effectivly cut the overall damage I can inflict on you by maybe 80% over the next 15s...

Vs

You dodge a 2k autoattack that can follow up with another 2k the next second and every second after that...

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

2 minutes ago, Dawdler.8521 said:

No it doesnt because the condi still have to hit.

If you dodge my 25k burn damage blowtorch and effectivly cut the overall damage I can inflict on you by maybe 80% over the next 15s...

Vs

You dodge a 2k autoattack that can follow up with another 2k the next second and every second after that...

More like dodging an Arc Divider in comparison.

[Dawdler.8521]

1 minute ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

More like dodging an Arc Divider in comparison.

Where 2 out of 3 attacks punch through if we assume one is dodged, so pretty poor example I think...

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

1 minute ago, Dawdler.8521 said:

Where 2 out of 3 attacks punch through if we assume one is dodged, so pretty poor example I think...

If it was quickened you'd probably dodge all three, especially if you dodged out of the final radius.

[GoldenPants.1870]

22 hours ago, Telgum.6071 said:

Cleanse doesn't come close to half condition spam unless you play Elementalist , Ranger or SA Thief. Resolution has been reworked and nerfed.

I'm doing fine on my warrior and revenant too,  warrior in particular, with shake it off, mending, cleansing sigils, heck, cleansing sigils exists in wvw, if people don't use them, it's kinda on them.

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

30 minutes ago, GoldenPants.1870 said:

I'm doing fine on my warrior and revenant too,  warrior in particular, with shake it off, mending, cleansing sigils, heck, cleansing sigils exists in wvw, if people don't use them, it's kinda on them.

And then when you've used those tools you end up with the same amount of condi vomit back all over you.

[GoldenPants.1870]

33 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

And then when you've used those tools you end up with the same amount of condi vomit back all over you.

The amount of condi that cleanses doesn't instantly get reapplied unless you stand in plaguelands. And if you stand in plaguelands.. Yeah that's not the cleanses fault.