Jormag Gen 3 legendary axe vs Frostfang

[Ogwom.7940]

Hi guys, I was wondering what you thought of how the Jormag version of the Gen 3 legendary axe would look like compared to Frostfang?

From what I saw, Aurene version is extremely nice with awesome effects, but I worry it will completely outshine Frostfang.

Currently Frostfang is quite dull, the arm effect just looks weird and clips funny and the ice part doesn't look like actual ice much. The footfalls are good though.

 

Similar issues could be seen with a weapon like Sharur vs the Zhaitan Gen 3 legendary hammer.

 

Perhaps some people will come with the argument that we don't need every single legendary to be overly flashy, and I do get and respect that.

I just find it weird that there will two versions of these dragon based weapons that will look off.

 

What do you guys think? Am I just over thinking it, or could it be seen as an issue with others?

[Randulf.7614]

Not seen the new ones yet, but I rather like my Sharur being a bit understated. It has some great animations and the day/night transform is pretty cool. I’m not sure sure what more it needs. I’m not big on visual noise, so it’s good there are some toned down legendaries that still look great in their own right.

[Gregg.3970]

@Ogwom.7940 I think it all boils down to personal taste, preference really, and doesn't really matter much in the grand scheme of things.  I guess all depends of how much of a perfectionist you are in terms of "fashion wars"!

 

I agree with @Randulf.7614 as we've a nice mix so far with Gen1/Gen2 some weps are more flashy and others more subtle in their effects so something to cater for everyone's tastes.

 

Frostfang will always be one of favourite Leggys as it was first I ever crafted, stacked it with Winter's Prescence (snowflake effect shoulders), Winter's Hearts & Snow Diamond Infusions and combo of icy dyes from Jormag Dye Collection along with an icy halo headpiece makes for a really nice combination.  For me, I don't think there is anyway Gen 3 axe will overshadow this effect. 

P. S.  From what I've seen so far of Gen 3 legendaries I'm really not enthralled by them as don't particularly like the colour/effect and imo just a glorified Black Weapon Skin Collection at best. Maybe I'll be proved wrong though. 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Gregg.3970

[Ogwom.7940]

1 hour ago, Randulf.7614 said:

Not seen the new ones yet, but I rather like my Sharur being a bit understated. It has some great animations and the day/night transform is pretty cool. I’m not sure sure what more it needs. I’m not big on visual noise, so it’s good there are some toned down legendaries that still look great in their own right.

My issue wasn't really with Sharur. I just said that it could be seen as one.

I do agree though that it has pretty neat effects. I am not saying to get rid of Sharur or that it should be updated, but rather to relook at Frostfang. I personally think Sharur can pass easier than something like Frostfang and the gen 3 leg  Jormag version axe.

[Randulf.7614]

The problem is updating something people have liked and customised around for many years. I was annoyed when they changed Moot because the silly streamers and other effects weren’t something I wanted. I’m not sure what could be done to make Frostfang better, esp when so much feedback is to tone things down.

Any changes would have to be subtle and not take away from the overall effect and theme. I can’t help believe they’d prob make it garish neon, triple the size with an army of Dragons flying round it every 10 seconds if they were to mess with it given the current design team’s great love of visual noise pollution.

Maybe slight improvements to the arm effect in terms of detail and clipping is about all it needs.

[Ogwom.7940]

1 hour ago, Gregg.3970 said:

@Ogwom.7940 I think it all boils down to personal taste, preference really, and doesn't really matter much in the grand scheme of things.  I guess all depends of how much of a perfectionist you are in terms of "fashion wars"!

 

I agree with @Randulf.7614 as we've a nice mix so far with Gen1/Gen2 some weps are more flashy and others more subtle in their effects so something to cater for everyone's tastes.

 

Frostfang will always be one of favourite Leggys as it was first I ever crafted, stacked it with Winter's Prescence (snowflake effect shoulders), Winter's Hearts & Snow Diamond Infusions and combo of icy dyes from Jormag Dye Collection along with an icy halo headpiece makes for a really nice combination.  For me, I don't think there is anyway Gen 3 axe will overshadow this effect. 

P. S.  From what I've seen so far of Gen 3 legendaries I'm really not enthralled by them as don't particularly like the colour/effect and imo just a glorified Black Weapon Skin Collection at best. Maybe I'll be proved wrong though. 

I respect your point. I can't tell you that Frostfang is a bad looking weapon as an absolute. I don't think it looks terrible, but I am afraid if the Jormag Gen 3 axe will look more icebrood/snow themed and more realistic than Frostfang. Right now, Frostfang's base weapon just looks plastic like and not very snowy. Maybe it's just my settings?

I will also have to wait to see. Maybe wielding both Frostfang and the Gen 3 Jormag axe will be a cool combo, who knows lol.

 

This concept art by Kekai Kotaki is what I would hope it could resemble more. Not too overdone, but also not like a Black Lion Weapon skin.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Frostfang#/media/File:Frostfang_concept_art.jpg

 

I never disagreed that it's bad to have less flashy legendary weapons. I crafted  Claw of the Khan Ur because of how not overbearing it is and how realistic it looks with the metal and rust, compared to something like The Shining Blade.

[Ogwom.7940]

2 minutes ago, Randulf.7614 said:

The problem is updating something people have liked and customised around for many years. I was annoyed when they changed Moot because the silly streamers and other effects weren’t something I wanted. I’m not sure what could be done to make Frostfang better, esp when so much feedback is to tone things down.

Any changes would have to be subtle and not take away from the overall effect and theme. I can’t help believe they’d prob make it garish neon, triple the size with an army of Dragons flying round it every 10 seconds if they were to mess with it given the current design team’s great love of visual noise pollution.

Maybe slight improvements to the arm effect in terms of detail and clipping is about all it needs.

I am sorry for not clarifying what I think could be solutions.

Perhaps a different but subtle arm effect, similar to the update with the Flame Seeker Prophecies and the Minstrel.

Perhaps make a slight glow and different colour with the eyes and breath, like a slightly deeper blue?

Also for the base weapon to have a bit more reflection and a bit more shades in the colour.

The trail effect and Footfalls are already fantastic.

[Ogwom.7940]

Why the confused emoji? I am sorry if I didn't explain something properly. Please let me know what you are confused about.

[Randulf.7614]

That would be more acceptable. I would still be cautious over changes given their rather poor track record, but those aren’t bad adjustments

[Randulf.7614]

1 minute ago, Ogwom.7940 said:

Why the confused emoji? I am sorry if I didn't explain something properly. Please let me know what you are confused about.

Ignore it. People use it as a downvote/dislike against a post instead of replying in disagreement or misuse it altogether to be edgy rather than actual confusion.

[Gregg.3970]

@Ogwom.7940 you could just go with Astralaria ❤️ instead 😉  - or just up your game to "MVP Legendary Axe Collector": Accumulate all: Gen 1, Gen 2, Gen 3 Axes & compare/contrast effects to your liking.   Like the ubiquitous Great Sword you're never going to go wrong with overkill crafting of weapons used by so many different profession builds. 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Gregg.3970

[Khisanth.2948]

Considering how the sword looks I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment regarding the gen3 axe.

As for Frostfang there is a very simple solution.  Just add a new version that gets unlocked automatically if you have the current one. Then people can just whichever they prefer.

[Katary.7096]

Since I haven't seen the Jormag version of the gen 3 legendary axe yet I don't feel confident in making comparisons between it and Frostfang. And in general I advise against making any visual changes to legendary items after they have been released to prevent people from feeling like "their" legendary got a downgrade.

[Doggie.3184]

Can it actually be viewed yet? Frostfang is one of my favorite but Thief can't use it so I never made it... Probably make a Jormag Staff unless Zhaitan's ends up a bonedaddy scythe. ;u or a sword if it's ever made relevant in PvE.

[genjonah.1253]

5 hours ago, Doggie.3184 said:

Can it actually be viewed yet? Frostfang is one of my favorite but Thief can't use it so I never made it... Probably make a Jormag Staff unless Zhaitan's ends up a bonedaddy scythe. ;u or a sword if it's ever made relevant in PvE.

Don’t bash the sword- I made my revenant who ended up being my main AROUND the ability to use the Shining Blade. They’re also usable on Guardian for certain builds, even meta in Rev, Guard, and maybe others, those are just the ones I use and compare on meta battle and snowcrows

 

as to the OP- there’s going to be issues with shiny skins, always. Pick your particular favorite shiny, and build from there. Frankly, even before we knew the Gen 3 attunements were going to be a thing, I liked the concept art. WITH this knowledge? We’re going to effectively have all combinations of weapons to be able to have a synchronized look in 6 different colors (potentially seven later on, if we absorb DSD and the devs decide to add those as well). Just out of convenience based on my own personal habit of changing aesthetics constantly, go for Aurene weapons, and be able to eventually have 6 color palettes to design around with one weapon 

[DKRathalos.9625]

On 12/10/2021 at 3:15 AM, Gregg.3970 said:

@Ogwom.7940 you could just go with Astralaria ❤️ instead 😉  - or just up your game to "MVP Legendary Axe Collector": Accumulate all: Gen 1, Gen 2, Gen 3 Axes & compare/contrast effects to your liking.   Like the ubiquitous Great Sword you're never going to go wrong with overkill crafting of weapons used by so many different profession builds. 

This is personal opinion, I like Astra's effect it's beautiful ngl, but the Axe itself is not "fierce" enough to be legendary level
Something like Seven Reaper Axe or Dark Wing Axe is having more "Fierce" look compared to astra in term of axe only.

[Zalavaaris.5329]

3 hours ago, DKRathalos.9625 said:

This is personal opinion, I like Astra's effect it's beautiful ngl, but the Axe itself is not "fierce" enough to be legendary level
Something like Seven Reaper Axe or Dark Wing Axe is having more "Fierce" look compared to astra in term of axe only.

Thats all subjective. A legendary doesn't need to look fierce.  You just want it to.  Look at quip

[Doggie.3184]

On 12/10/2021 at 1:57 PM, genjonah.1253 said:

Don’t bash the sword- I made my revenant who ended up being my main AROUND the ability to use the Shining Blade. They’re also usable on Guardian for certain builds, even meta in Rev, Guard, and maybe others, those are just the ones I use and compare on meta battle and snowcrows

Uhm, I'm talking about Thief sword, which was pretty much designed only with PvP in mind since launch (and not even too good at it most of the years, especially after it's 2 was nerfed.)

The only weapons for Thief I don't have a legendary for is sword and staff cuz I'm not a fan of any of the current ones for the class compared to other available skins (like the katana and scythes) and no reason to make a sword on Thief if they never make it useful for all content.

Edited December 13, 2021 by Doggie.3184

[genjonah.1253]

2 hours ago, Doggie.3184 said:

Uhm, I'm talking about Thief sword, which was pretty much designed only with PvP in mind since launch (and not even too good at it most of the years, especially after it's 2 was nerfed.)

The only weapons for Thief I don't have a legendary for is sword and staff cuz I'm not a fan of any of the current ones for the class compared to other available skins (like the katana and scythes) and no reason to make a sword on Thief if they never make it useful for all content.

Oops. My bad, thought you meant sword in general *goes to get the dunce cap…*

[phokus.8934]

What is a Jorgmag gen 3 legendary axe?

[Linken.6345]

36 minutes ago, phokus.8934 said:

What is a Jorgmag gen 3 legendary axe?

the new gen3 will have a set of skins based on each of the dragons for all 16 weapons, underwater ones exluded.

[Balsa.3951]

I thought the same thats why I do the axe its totally Frostfang 2.0