EoD legendary staff request

[draxynnic.3719]

On 12/10/2021 at 5:12 AM, Chrysaliss.8720 said:

None of them are legendary. 

Yes there is 1. It was only obtainable through Black Lion box gambling, which I refuse to participate in. And you cant buy it on TP. 

It's currently available for black lion statuettes.

On 12/10/2021 at 6:39 AM, Sobx.1758 said:

Here's what you (and apparently op) are probably missing:

1. Designing a staff fitting one espec instead of the rest of the classes makes less sense than the opposite.

Revenant also uses staff for melee, so that's 2/7 professions that use staff. By the metric of how different professions use staff, the fair thing would actually be for roughly a quarter of staff skins, including legendaries, to be designed in a manner that's at least reasonably compatible with melee use.

 

Next generation, perhaps.

[Gibson.4036]

47 minutes ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

It's currently available for black lion statuettes.

Revenant also uses staff for melee, so that's 2/7 professions that use staff. By the metric of how different professions use staff, the fair thing would actually be for roughly a quarter of staff skins, including legendaries, to be designed in a manner that's at least reasonably compatible with melee use.

 

Next generation, perhaps.

I was thinking, if you shifted percentages based on how much staff actually gets used on various professions, not just how many professions can use it, it’d skew even farther in melee staff’s favor.

[draxynnic.3719]

4 minutes ago, Gibson.4036 said:

I was thinking, if you shifted percentages based on how much staff actually gets used on various professions, not just how many professions can use it, it’d skew even farther in melee staff’s favor.

I was considering that, but I think the only profession that really eschews staff is elementalist, and that's because of relatively recent heavy-handed nerfing. Support druids and guardians both usually use staff, necromancer pretty much always has staff on one swap in PvP and in a few PvE builds, and condi mesmer usually uses staff unless it's an exclusively melee mirage.

 

On the other hand, though, if warrior ever gets staff, it'll probably be melee...

[Gibson.4036]

55 minutes ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

I was considering that, but I think the only profession that really eschews staff is elementalist, and that's because of relatively recent heavy-handed nerfing. Support druids and guardians both usually use staff, necromancer pretty much always has staff on one swap in PvP and in a few PvE builds, and condi mesmer usually uses staff unless it's an exclusively melee mirage.

 

On the other hand, though, if warrior ever gets staff, it'll probably be melee...

Yeah, I was thinking the support builds are pretty niche if laid against all playtime for those professions.

No idea how much people actually play staff mirage. Axe a so much more effective, I only ever go staff if I’m having real difficulty surviving. But with the popularity of minionmancer, maybe there are a lot of likeminded mirages playing low-risk mode.

Another thing to consider is that melee staff designs can look great as caster staffs, but caster staff designs often look silly as melee staffs. So “don’t ask for designs just for a small portion of staff users” is a false reduction. Staves can be designed to look good for all users, rather than just for casters.

Edited December 11, 2021 by Gibson.4036

[Fenom.9457]

On 12/9/2021 at 2:40 PM, Sobx.1758 said:

So is it "long term goal and prestige" or "I need a specific non-existant skin for that single espec"? 😉

Go bonk people on the head with bifrost, easy. 😁

Yeah personally if I mained daredevil I’d make bifrost of the two.  Although if we ever get a fourth legendary set with each one unique like the first two, I’d LOVE for the staff to be Monkey King’s staff (Ruyi Jingu Bang, it was a pillar in the underwater kingdom of the dragon king of the east).  It’s got a lot of history from journey to the west but I think it’s a perfect staff for both melee and magical range, as it’s capable of changing size and shape.  It could be the Exordium of staffs 

[Sinmir.6504]

On 12/11/2021 at 12:14 PM, draxynnic.3719 said:

Revenant also uses staff for melee, so that's 2/7 professions that use staff. By the metric of how different professions use staff, the fair thing would actually be for roughly a quarter of staff skins, including legendaries, to be designed in a manner that's at least reasonably compatible with melee use.

 

Next generation, perhaps.

I'm not sure Id go as far as 2/7. Closer to 1/5 taking away the druid and daredevil. Of non Elite Specs only five can wield a staff, and Revenant uses it for melee. Daredevil can use a staff but core thief, Specter and Deadeye can't. As for legendaries and thieves, Deadeye and The Predator, those two have got to be made for each other.

For a Battle staff, could transmute. Ascended and transmute or make a legendary and transmute. The staff you get for completing the Daredevil collection is pretty cool as a martial arts staff.

[draxynnic.3719]

On 12/22/2021 at 1:02 AM, Sinmir.6504 said:

I'm not sure Id go as far as 2/7. Closer to 1/5 taking away the druid and daredevil. Of non Elite Specs only five can wield a staff, and Revenant uses it for melee. Daredevil can use a staff but core thief, Specter and Deadeye can't. As for legendaries and thieves, Deadeye and The Predator, those two have got to be made for each other.

For a Battle staff, could transmute. Ascended and transmute or make a legendary and transmute. The staff you get for completing the Daredevil collection is pretty cool as a martial arts staff.

Elite specialisation weapons tend to get used roughly as much as core weapons, since while you can't use them for core or other specialisations, they're generally specifically made to synergise with the elite specialisation and thus are more likely to be used than a random core weapon if using that elite specialisation.

If you're running druid as support (and that's what it's designed to do), you're probably running staff. Power daredevils still have a decent chance of running staff even after the nerfs, and there was a time when double staff daredevil was a thing.

Heck, out of curiosity, I just surveyed the ele builds on Metabattle, and less of them use staff than sword. So if you're arguing that elite specialisation weapons don't count because they theoretically get used less, shouldn't we also disqualify elementalist staff on the basis that it gets used even less? There's a good chance that I'd find something similar if I compared axe to staff on guardian or pre-alacmirage mesmer as well. 

So I stand by 2/7.

But seriously, even at 1/5, that's only one more legendary caster staff before there really needs to be a legendary battle staff. And since ArenaNet has chosen not to make polearms as a weapon category, there's plenty they can draw on for inspiration, or even do an Exordium style changing-based-on-skill-used arrangement. There's also not really a good reason to wait that long to do it, since even at 1/5 one could argue that the fair thing to do would be to go caster-caster-melee-caster-caster than leaving melee to last.

Edited December 25, 2021 by draxynnic.3719