Bypass Choir Bell

[Twilightzone.7452]

Since there was enough complaints about the Halloween jumping puzzle and by passing it with the merchant. Can we get the same with the choir bell. It is too hard and I am bad at it

Thanks

Edited December 14, 2021 by Twilightzone.7452

[mythical.6315]

2 hours ago, Twilightzone.7452 said:

Since there was enough complaints about the Halloween jumping puzzle and by passing it with the merchant. Can we get the same with the choir bell. It is too hard and I am bad at it

Thanks

Unlike the JP, you can make progress in choir bell. So no. 

Edited December 15, 2021 by mythical.6315

[Tiamat.8254]

I find that playing the lower section is easiest if you struggle 😊

[Danikat.8537]

Unlike the jumping puzzle you get credit for partial completion in Bell Choir. You can miss a lot of notes in a song and still complete it, and the permanent and annual achievements counts notes played correctly rather than entire songs so even if you keep getting kicked out you'll make some progress.

Also depending on why you're having trouble there might be ways around it. I have a separate set of keybindings I use for bell choir because my skills are on the number pad and in an odd order (heal is on 0, utility are on 6-8). Some people probably could play bell choir with that setup but trying to work out how the notes match up to keys takes me too long. So I have just the 8 skills needed bound to a row of keys across the middle of the keyboard which I wasn't using so I can put 1 finger on each and do it that way.

Another common problem is that depending on your internet connection you might need to hit the key just before the note reaches the line rather than as it touches it. I often get the first couple of notes wrong figuring out when I need to do it, but as I said as long as you get some right you'll complete the song.

 

2 hours ago, Tiamat.8254 said:

I find that playing the lower section is easiest if you struggle 😊

I find the upper part easiest, I think because I'm left-handed and it mainly uses your left hand.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Danikat.8537

[Ruufio.1496]

Ya, no. I have managed to complete it on an xbox 360 controller so you have no excuse. You think pressing 123456789 is harder than right trigger / left trigger + left / left trigger + right/ left trigger + left / right trigger / right bumper + right joystick click / right bumper + right / etc.

 

Get out of here

[Luthan.5236]

The thing is: I think you don't need all annuals for the achievement with the reward (skin).
You can decide to not do one. Bell choir seemed to take longer for me - that is why I wanted to not do this last year. Now it seems fast - I got better. (There are good strategies -  using the numbers 1-4 for first 4, 7-0 for 2nd for - left/right hand 4 each. Then placing the screen with the line between first 4 and 2nd for in the middle and the cursor there - makes it easier for me. Then training ...)

Main problem will be if people can't do the choire AND the JP - I think most will find the JP harder (some people that are physically handicapped) but still able to to the choir ... slowly.

The JP halloween with the chest was for an additional achievement that you could not get without doing the JP (before they added the chest).

Edited December 18, 2021 by Luthan.5236

[Lyssia.4637]

2 hours ago, Luthan.5236 said:

The JP halloween with the chest was for an additional achievement that you could not get without doing the JP (before they added the chest).

Something for the OP to remember.  With the annual achievement, most of the time they release it the following year in one of the merchants for snow diamonds.  You'll have to wait, but you can focus on farming snowflakes instead, and eventually still get it.

[Faenia.6458]

Once you make the connection to "play a tune using a logical key placement covering an octave on a keyboard with both hands " like a piano rather than "hitting the correct keys matching the colours in a computer game" - it is so much easier. Once I made that shift in thinking - I went from 7 notes to 578.

[Dami.5046]

no can we have a pass on that jumping puzzle.

ta.

[Andy.5981]

On 12/14/2021 at 11:39 PM, Twilightzone.7452 said:

Since there was enough complaints about the Halloween jumping puzzle and by passing it with the merchant. Can we get the same with the choir bell. It is too hard and I am bad at it

Thanks

Few tips.

1) Angle the stage so that it looks more like a fan shape centred on the sector you are on.
2) Zoom out so that you can see all of the notes as they appear at the top of the sector
3) Place your mouse cursor on the line between the 4th and 5th notes. I found this helps identify which notes are going to be played by which hand.
4) If you've lost health, play a few notes on the bells in-between rounds, this restores health.
5) rest the tip of your fingers on the corresponding keys
6) Practice, like all music, you wil be surprised at how quickly you pick it up.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Andy.5981

[ArchonWing.9480]

The easiest way to do bell choir is to just focus on 1-6, and not even acknowledge the right side. You can get through 4 of the 6 songs just by doing that.  You also don't need to succeed in the hard songs anyways. It just looks kinda bad.

If you miss a note, just forget about it. Pressing a wrong note multiple times damages you each time, while playing the note right heals you once. Not worth it. Only focus on notes that you can get, and forget the rest.  Like if you see 4 notes coming and you feel like you can't do 4, just focus on playing ONE instead of losing most of your health playing all 4 notes wrong.

Getting a bad score doesn't matter-- you still get achieves and the gifts anyways if you survive.

Finally, the hitbox is weird. Make sure it passes the line. Hit the note before it hits your characters.

In this video I aimed for the lowest score possible while still completing all the songs, and please note how you can ignore a lot of the first few songs.

 Though yes, you do sorta need to know what you're doing for the last 2. But if you're just here to get the meta and presents farm, you can even do worse than this.

 

 

Edited December 25, 2021 by ArchonWing.9480

[TheQuickFox.3826]

You can skip one of the wintersday activities and still get the annual achievement. So, you can skip the bell choir or the JP if you can't do or don't like them, but not skip both.

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

1 hour ago, ArchonWing.9480 said:

The easiest way to do bell choir is to just focus on 1-6, and not even acknowledge the right side. You can get through 4 of the 6 songs just by doing that.  You also don't need to succeed in the hard songs anyways. It just looks kinda bad.

If you miss a note, just forget about it. Pressing a wrong note multiple times damages you each time, while playing the note right heals you once. Not worth it. Only focus on notes that you can get, and forget the rest.  Like if you see 4 notes coming and you feel like you can't do 4, just focus on playing ONE instead of losing most of your health playing all 4 notes wrong.

Getting a bad score doesn't matter-- you still get achieves and the gifts anyways if you survive.

Finally, the hitbox is weird. Make sure it passes the line. Hit the note before it hits your characters.

In this video I aimed for the lowest score possible while still completing all the songs, and please note how you can ignore a lot of the first few songs.

 Though yes, you do sorta need to know what you're doing for the last 2. But if you're just here to get the meta and presents farm, you can even do worse than this.

 

 

Did you mean 1-4? Or also concentrate on 6 (there is no 5)?

[ArchonWing.9480]

1 hour ago, Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:

Did you mean 1-4? Or also concentrate on 6 (there is no 5)?

Yea there's no 5, but 6  is a pretty common note so it'd help a lot.

[ArchonWing.9480]

A bit late to bring this up, but apparently health regen food works in Bell Choir....

https://i.imgur.com/09AaWz6.png

This is unlikely to matter since I think the damage is based on your max hp and at 85 hp/tick would save you a note at best. To maximize the effect, you could set your pvp build to zerker and pick a class with the lowest base hp (ele/guard/thief) to maximize the relative effect.

[Cynder.2509]

I'm a music producer but this activity I really hate. I tried it multiple times throughout the years ever since it came out but I suck at it big time. Even playing 10 notes correctly won't give you credit for the daily achievement so I dropped it completely because of the poor crediting. I rather do the jumping puzzle on the hard track (actually the easiest if no charr or norn with their fat kitten is jumping with you) with my crippled hands and disability. 
I'm (not Commander Sheppard) the Commander and I really hate this activity. 
 

[Danikat.8537]

I've heard that rhythm games like this can be harder for people who actually know about playing music, because what you're doing bears little resemblance to playing a song on a real instrument. I think it was more of an issue with things like Guitar Hero and people who can play guitar, because the controller was just similar enough to make it weird how differently it actually worked, but I imagine the same could be true here.

In that case it might actually be easier to do it with the sound turned off, so you're just focusing on hitting the right button when the blobs reach the line, rather than worrying about how it sounds.

Another thing I've found sometimes helps me with both this and the jumping puzzle is to turn the UI off. It minimises distractions by hiding the chat box, bouncy chests and other irrelevant things happening around the sides of the screen but it also hides your health, which might sound unhelpful but I've found actually makes it easier for me to focus on what I'm doing rather than worrying about whether I'm about to be kicked out.

Of course you can't turn the entire UI off if you're clicking the notes instead of using the keyboard, but hiding things you don't need might help.

Edited January 3, 2022 by Danikat.8537

[Solvar.7953]

Turning the sound off may be a good idea - I have sometimes been thrown off a little bit by other players in my area having their timing off, and instead of doing correct time, it is tempting to sync up with them (which would then be bad for me).

 

[Handsel.2891]

1 hour ago, Solvar.7953 said:

Turning the sound off may be a good idea - I have sometimes been thrown off a little bit by other players in my area having their timing off, and instead of doing correct time, it is tempting to sync up with them (which would then be bad for me).

 

The issue is that the game accepts key strikes within a short window of time which might not sound bad but because of that three players can have three slightly different timing and still achieve perfect score. Add mistakes and latency to that mix and you might just get a headache by the end of the round. Turning the volume down to very low is the way to go for me. I still like hearing something.

Interestingly, the games own timing is surprisingly late compared to how I normally "play". It can be heard best when you are the only one on your platform.

[Luthan.5236]

Yeah I heard the "music people" (people that have making music as hobby or job) having problems - especially if other players make mistakes and they hear their sound. Because they more likely try to play according to the music actually. (And others making mistakes might be confusing then.)

While the usual person just watches the screen. (I am one of those people. Just watching the screen and I actually use headphones and do not even put them on - for my daily routine. Only if I do story stuff or PvP/WvW lol.)

Edited January 5, 2022 by Luthan.5236

[mythical.6315]

I play both the guitar and piano and didn’t have any issues with this activity. It’s just a combination of being coordinated and knowing when to hit the key. 

[NotTooFoolish.7412]

I highly recommend picking up a hobby, playing piano in my free time. 
Also, the lower section is easier, at least for me, to play. Some people are using a kind of a ruler for the event, but it's really unnecessary.