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Prestige items GW2 vs other MMOs


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2 hours ago, Balsa.3951 said:

For example, what do u get in gw2 for the achievement Realm Avenger.

For this u need to kill the small number of 250 000 players. 

Other MMos would give u a mount or a special item

gw2 gives u a title.

Balsa: "pf, title! Who cares???"

Also Balsa: "Legendary items for prestige? Pf, I deserve[sic] AN ICON!"

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/topic/104621-give-a-special-icon-for-full-legendary/?tab=comments#comment-1511071

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Balsa: "Other mmorpgs make getting prestige items hard, it's how it's supposed to be!"  [this thread] 

Also Balsa: "make pve armor skin easier to get"

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/topic/98552-make-pve-armor-skin-easier-to-get/?tab=comments#comment-1411556

??

 

Complaining about everything sure is hard.

 

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25 minutes ago, Danikat.8537 said:

Because you have to unlock the mount before you can use the skin. If you just buy a skyscale skin from the gem store without unlocking the base mount you can't use it.


It would be like buying a really nice case for an iPhone without buying the phone, you couldn't do anything with it. Except then you could at least show people the case, you can't even do that with a mount skin until you have the mount.

That's different to most other MMOs where you buy actual mounts in the cash shop. If I start a new Elder Scrolls Online account, buy some crowns and use them to buy a mount from the cash shop I can use it right away on my first level 1 character, and it will be just as good as any mount obtained in the game. Whereas if I start a new GW2 account, buy some gems and buy a mount skin from the gem store I still have to get to level 80 and unlock the mount before I can use it.

I can agree with that.  Perhaps it's just my bias (and the OPs) that the skins are too visually impressing to not have a good means of associating game-acquired prestige.  Imagine a brand new player walking up to your Cyberscale in a Skyscale gaggle and saying "Good Knight, what quest shall I embark to be as magnificent as thee!"  And you say "bro, just pull out your plastic!"

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2 hours ago, Balsa.3951 said:

ppl missing the point of this forum post and white knighting all day

Tell me what is ur prestige item u own?

I wait... ūüôā¬†

A full stable of characters with tasteful appearances, thoughtful, lore-appropriate names, individual personalities and backstories.

Rarer than you might think. ūüėĄ

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33 minutes ago, Borked.6824 said:

I can agree with that.  Perhaps it's just my bias (and the OPs) that the skins are too visually impressing to not have a good means of associating game-acquired prestige.  Imagine a brand new player walking up to your Cyberscale in a Skyscale gaggle and saying "Good Knight, what quest shall I embark to be as magnificent as thee!"  And you say "bro, just pull out your plastic!"

New Player: "Good Knight, on what quest shall I embark to be as magnificent as thee!"

Good Knight: "Learn to use your weapons with skill. Understand your enemies. Be kind and helpful to other adventurers, especially those that are just beginning."

New Player: "But, Sir, I was referring to thy epic robot-dragon mount!"

Good Knight: "Ah, young one. Flash does not make one great. Discipline, experience, and kindness. These are the things that make one great."

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1 hour ago, Borked.6824 said:

Ship of Theseus my dude.  Some of you making these claims really need to think about what you're saying.  How is a mount and a skin different in any way.  The skin is the virtual representation of the mount.  The mount is just the word associating the pixels of "skin" with a real life "mount".  The prestige is the same in the skin as it is in the mount.

So go buy a skin for a mount you don't have and try to use it.  The functionality comes from the actual mount, you can't use a skin for something you don't have, and the only way to get the mounts is to unlock them through gameplay, once you own the content that offers the mount.  I'm fairly sure a lot of people saying this are aware of that fact, why aren't you?

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The difference is that in other games you can actually earn whatever the prestigious thing in question is by playing the related content. In GW2, for the most part, it's just locked behind gigantic RNG walls with no real way to progress towards it (all you get is a special currency that doesn't help you at all) and up to this point knowing that a lot of people got it and just deleted it.

The devs also don't even know what prestige items actually are, calling legendary runes and sigils "prestigious" when there is nothing prestigious about them.

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44 minutes ago, Borked.6824 said:

I can agree with that.  Perhaps it's just my bias (and the OPs) that the skins are too visually impressing to not have a good means of associating game-acquired prestige.  Imagine a brand new player walking up to your Cyberscale in a Skyscale gaggle and saying "Good Knight, what quest shall I embark to be as magnificent as thee!"  And you say "bro, just pull out your plastic!"

As per the previous discussion if you said that you'd be lying, because they couldn't use the skin without first unlocking the mount and it would be dishonest not to tell them that when they ask.

(Also I'd probably tell them to start by playing through the personal story to learn about Tyria and how it's people speak, because role-players who insist on using mangled early modern English in anything that could be called fantasy are a pet hate for me.)

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2 hours ago, Rasimir.6239 said:

There's two conflicting demands among the playerbase:

  • Players that focus on (perceived) prestige in "hard to get" rewards like skins, mounts, top tier equipment,¬†and similar. These players usually ask for unique rewards gated behind specific content, either through challenge or random drop (which is a proxy for "invested the time to repeat the content until you got the drop").
  • Players that focus on what kind of content they enjoy playing. To those players, accessibility of whatever rewards appeal to them (skins they find visually pleasing/matching their character, fun gadgets, but also good equipment that allows them the same advantages playing the game as other players that prioritize different playstyles) is more important than exclusivity of rewards.

 

Most MMORPGs I have played focus on the first kind of player. GW2 on the other hand has a strong focus on the 2nd kind. Switching the reward system to more unique rewards that force you to play (or even grind) specific content, will most certainly not be mutually welcome, since that automatically means more rewards gated from people that don't enjoy the specific content the rewards are tied to.

This is absolutely true, A good balance of both is nessecary here. If all rewards where "accesible" for everyone then the rewardsystem would feel extremely grindy, on the other hand if everything is mode locked their will be to many people left out.

 

I do think the playerbase does not really have a problem with "prestige" rewards intrinsicly (nobody complains about the pvp titles /gizmos for example.). That does not mean there are no problems in this regards, skyscale and legendary armour are easy examples.

 

What is funny to me though, is that what level of exclusivity people find acceptable in general is directly correlated with how much they want and can get something. 

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3 hours ago, Balsa.3951 said:

For example, what do u get in gw2 for the achievement Realm Avenger.

For this u need to kill the small number of 250 000 players. 

Other MMos would give u a mount or a special item

gw2 gives u a title.

And the most fun stuff is in the gemstore or based on a so low rng that u may never see that drop or u just started play and got it first try... Random.

I hope anet can overthink their reward system a little with EOD. 

 

Isnt the title in this case the prestige reward? A way to show of what you have done.

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6 hours ago, Balsa.3951 said:

GW2: Dragon Mount 2000 gems from the gemstore.....

That's not the mount but merely a skin for the mount (one of many). :classic_rolleyes: You can't use it unless you have acquired the actual mount, which can only be done in-game.

Next time perhaps do a little research before making ungrounded claims? ūüėČ

1 hour ago, Borked.6824 said:

Ship of Theseus my dude.  Some of you making these claims really need to think about what you're saying.  How is a mount and a skin different in any way.  The skin is the virtual representation of the mount.  The mount is just the word associating the pixels of "skin" with a real life "mount".

Are you for real? :classic_huh: Skins mean nothing if you don't own the actual thing. You can't use them without the item (or in this case the mount) on which you want to apply the skin.

The Skyscale is the mount in question, any skins are just that: skins.

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4 minutes ago, yann.1946 said:

Isnt the title in this case the prestige reward? A way to show of what you have done.

yes, but its a extremely hard to get achievement and just a title is imho not equal to the amount of investment.

To finish this achievement take years. If people are happy how rewards are now, than more power to u 

 

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3 minutes ago, Ashantara.8731 said:

That's not the mount but merely a skin for the mount (one of many). :classic_rolleyes: You can't use it unless you have acquired the actual mount, which can only be done in-game.

Next time perhaps do a little research before making ungrounded claims? ūüėČ

Oh what I didnt knew this hidden fact... DUH

btw u cant can get any mount in game they all not real 

perhaps u research more urself 

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7 minutes ago, Balsa.3951 said:

Oh what I didnt knew this hidden fact... DUH

btw u cant can get any mount in game they all not real 

perhaps u research more urself 

Then this thread is a waste of bandwidth, because none of the rewards, prestige or otherwise, are real.  In fact, it can apply to every MMO out there, since none of their rewards are real.

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2 minutes ago, Balsa.3951 said:

yes, but its a extremely hard to get achievement and just a title is imho not equal to the amount of investment.

That is completely person dependant no? Also that achievement is probably not a good example for your specific case as it has more to do with how much you play wvw, not how good you are at it.

2 minutes ago, Balsa.3951 said:

To finish this achievement take years. If people are happy how rewards are now, than more power to u 

 

I did not say that i am happy or unhappy with the current state of rewards, I just wanted to point out that it was a pretty bad example if we talk about non-approriate rewards for effort done.

 

Honestly Rasimirs take was probably the most descriptive of why the problem exists as it stands. It also would probably be a good idea to describe the problem better. 

 

Why dont the current prestige rewards not feel prestige to you?

Are there not enough?

Which are good examples of prestige rewards in this game?

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1 minute ago, robertthebard.8150 said:

Then this thread is a waste of bandwidth, because none of the rewards, prestige or otherwise, are real.  In fact, it can apply to every MMO out there, since none of their rewards are real.

That is not how prestige works though.

 

Also the fact that something is virtual does not make it less a real thing. videogames are also real and completely virtual

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35 minutes ago, yann.1946 said:

Isnt the title in this case the prestige reward? A way to show of what you have done.

Precisely. Prestige comes from what you managed to achieve, not from what you managed to obtain. Material rewards do not make you a great person - deeds do. As such, as far as prestige goes, there's no difference between title, unique mount or armor skin. All those prestige-wise are completely unimportant. What may be important is only what they represent. And only for some, because others will not care.

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6 minutes ago, Astralporing.1957 said:

There's no such item, because items do not confer prestige. Neither in this game, or in others.

Well, no, that is false. You are clearly projecting your own lack of interest in items as the non-existence of prestige. 
 

‚ÄúPrestige‚ÄĚ has value for items because they are adverts. Billboards directing players to do X content if they want Y reward. That is useful for a video game. It is useful for players who might need the extra push to see if they‚Äôd like content. This has been proven in plenty of other games. People see prestigious items in games like WoW or FFXIV and it is communicated to them that they need to do something different to get it.

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30 minutes ago, Astralporing.1957 said:

Precisely. Prestige comes from what you managed to achieve, not from what you managed to obtain.

True, but the what you obtain represent how you managed to achieve it.

Golden olympic medals are prestige rewards for example.

30 minutes ago, Astralporing.1957 said:

Material rewards do not make you a great person - deeds do. As such, as far as prestige goes, there's no difference between title, unique mount or armor skin. All those prestige-wise are completely unimportant. What may be important is only what they represent. And only for some, because others will not care.

 

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I generally don't care for any mmorpg "Holiday" events. But the new moon backpack they just added looks great to me. So I'll be doing that content to get it. Is it prestigious?  To some maybe, to me l don't know yet. Depends on how much effort l end up having to put into it. 

Edit: I was under the impression that the backpack was a reward for one of those holiday meta achievements, and not some black lion chest drop. My bad.

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27 minutes ago, hudisgreat.8492 said:

I generally don't care for any mmorpg "Holiday" events. But the new moon backpack they just added looks great to me. So I'll be doing that content to get it. Is it prestigious?  To some maybe, to me l don't know yet. Depends on how much effort l end up having to put into it. 

Key farming?

Isn't it a black lion chest rare random drop?

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