The Warriors that Farmed CmC's Ele...

[greedywholesome.9081]

no longer play but I guess the grudge runs deep. Who knew that one day a single person would manage the entire game mode. 

PvP was better when it had a team. Now it's ran by an individual; no benchmarking, no testing, no accountability amongst team members. Almost like a dictatorship. 

 

His vision for Pvp did not align with the majority of the players thus the mass exodus after major patch. Instead of retaining and growing, the population dwindled.  His job isn't easy but there's nothing/no one keeping him in check with the viability of his vision and direction. 

 

Can't blame him entirely, the developers have abandoned the mode once Esports showed no future. 

 

Lol

[Genesis.5169]

18 minutes ago, greedywholesome.9081 said:

no longer play but I guess the grudge runs deep. Who knew that one day a single person would manage the entire game mode. 

PvP was better when it had a team. Now it's ran by an individual; no benchmarking, no testing, no accountability amongst team members. Almost like a dictatorship. 

 

His vision for Pvp did not align with the majority of the players thus the mass exodus after major patch. Instead of retaining and growing, the population dwindled.  His job isn't easy but there's nothing/no one keeping him in check with the viability of his vision and direction. 

 

Can't blame him entirely, the developers have abandoned the mode once Esports showed no future. 

 

Lol

His vision was requested.
People wanted to go back to core he gave them that.
They wanted a power meta they  got that.
They wanted the nerfing and removal of most condition classes they got that.
They wanted the removal of underwater combat they got that.
They wanted mesmers out of the game they got that.
They wanted the bunker meta gone they got that.
They wanted an easier game they got that.
The stability change was requested.
Portal nerfs were requested.
If you can point to me a time where ANET had a kittening vision that wasn't fueled by the forums of actual players lemme know.
kitten the confuse was 100% requested and only one class really uses it thats what we are working with.
A community who doesn't give a kitten about the meta at large they just care about the one encounter they just had they lost to and come here to win it since they didnt win it in game, and no matter the cost if they lost to it, it must be OP.

Please lets not rewrite history the forum history is right kittening here and this community is absolutely horrible this community doesnt deserve cmc or the game it self people left because of people like you not the devs, and i feel it everyday, everyday people come to the forums to ask to mass nerf the game after asking for that and getting it and being unsatisfied with the mass nerfs. They look at core with rose tinted glasses and say we need to go back there and we already are.



 

[JusticeRetroHunter.7684]

Ya this is all just factually wrong… and it’s this same kind of mentality that got us here in the first place. 
 

Really the ones lacking accountability at the very least are the players.
 

Even though CMC is hired by Anet, he was the result of players frustration with power creep. At the time of 2019 this was the buzzword that people loved to Brandi-about but didn’t actually understand what powercreep was…and almost nobody at the time challenged the notion for at least defining what it actually meant in a definable sense…believe me I would know as one of the only few people that challenged that notion at the time. 
 

So what ended up happening was a huge echo chamber of players demanding nerfs to things therefor CMC was hired with the philosophy to nerf things in the game. 
 

The truth of the matter is that most of you wanted this and you got it. It’s just convenient to blame him because it’s the status quo when things go wrong…he is the guy to blame right, since he’s in the drivers seat.

Edited January 5, 2022 by JusticeRetroHunter.7684

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

6 minutes ago, JusticeRetroHunter.7684 said:

Ya this is all just factually wrong… and it’s this same kind of mentality that got us here in the first place. 
 

Really the ones lacking accountability at the very least are the players.
 

Even though CMC is hired by Anet, he was the result of players frustration with power creep. At the time of 2019 this was the buzzword that people loved to Brandi-about but didn’t actually understand what powercreep was…and almost nobody at the time challenged the notion for at least defining what it actually meant in a definable sense…believe me I would know as one of the only few people that challenged that notion at the time. 
 

So what ended up happening was a huge echo chamber of players demanding nerfs to things therefor CMC was hired with the philosophy to nerf things in the game. 
 

The truth of the matter is that most of you wanted this and you got it. It’s just convenient to blame him because it’s the status quo when things go wrong…he is the guy to blame right, since he’s in the drivers seat.

You're right, but that also doesn't stop CMC from correcting bad decisions and from filtering out nonsense.

FWIW he played his necro during all the WvW live streams they did, and you know how susceptible they are to CC. Its no wonder he nerfed them to dust.

[greedywholesome.9081]

46 minutes ago, Genesis.5169 said:

His vision was requested.
People wanted to go back to core he gave them that.
They wanted a power meta they  got that.
They wanted the nerfing and removal of most condition classes they got that.
They wanted the removal of underwater combat they got that.
They wanted mesmers out of the game they got that.
They wanted the bunker meta gone they got that.
They wanted an easier game they got that.
The stability change was requested.
Portal nerfs were requested.
If you can point to me a time where ANET had a kittening vision that wasn't fueled by the forums of actual players lemme know.
kitten the confuse was 100% requested and only one class really uses it thats what we are working with.
A community who doesn't give a kitten about the meta at large they just care about the one encounter they just had they lost to and come here to win it since they didnt win it in game, and no matter the cost if they lost to it, it must be OP.

Please lets not rewrite history the forum history is right kittening here and this community is absolutely horrible this community doesnt deserve cmc or the game it self people left because of people like you not the devs, and i feel it everyday, everyday people come to the forums to ask to mass nerf the game after asking for that and getting it and being unsatisfied with the mass nerfs. They look at core with rose tinted glasses and say we need to go back there and we already are.



 

 

Awww come on now, you're putting words in my mouth. When have I blatantly and repetitively asked for any nerf? Matter of fact, I enjoy playing counters to overtuned classes along with underdog classes. 

 

Based on your response, it seems that it's perfectly ok/normal for you to have:

1. an individual overseeing an entire game mode, instead of  a team

2. you feel an individual is free from any form of personal class bias

3. the grandiose decisions of the individual is well aligned w/ the player base's interest

 

CmC's job isn't easy, as I have stated but in order for this mode to flourish, it would require a team's effort. 

[Paradoxoglanis.1904]

1 hour ago, greedywholesome.9081 said:

Now it's ran by an individual

ran by an individual who isnt working on it

[Genesis.5169]

@greedywholesome.9081

1. an individual overseeing an entire game mode, instead of  a team
This depends, on performance as from what i can see CMC performs well but has no vision just because you have a team instead of an individual does not mean you suddenly gain a defined a vision for a game mode a team can just be a flakey as CMC Anet has been, PvE has as been as visionless as PvP don't get that twisted ANET has no vision as a company.

2. you feel an individual is free from any form of personal class bias
No one is free of bias how ever i can't point out a class favorite right now, if you can share, they say its guardian but Condi DH, and Firebrand was absolutely massacred and has never returned. Mesmer is a shell of itself. All the other classes are inline except rev if you wanna call rev CMC's fav sure go ahead but we know how much of a stretch that is.

3. the grandiose decisions of the individual is well aligned w/ the player base's interest
Yes i believe CMC has done everything the majority of players want, and why i know this is because i have been on the otherside of 90% of these changes i fought against many of these changes when they happened and before they happened.

Edited January 5, 2022 by Genesis.5169

[Azure The Heartless.3261]

1 hour ago, Genesis.5169 said:

His vision was requested.

 

50 minutes ago, JusticeRetroHunter.7684 said:

The truth of the matter is that most of you wanted this and you got it.

Both true. I remember watching people actively claim with a straight face that "the damage was too high" when just prior to that we had a bunker meta that was so boring it caused Arenanet to miss what could have been a very useful E-sport opportunity.
 

43 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

You're right, but that also doesn't stop CMC from correcting bad decisions and from filtering out nonsense.

Also true. The thing that burns me is not that the overall balancing decision has left the game's balance as less than desirable, but that it takes a large amount of time to get from one meta that isn't working to another. It shouldn't take a year+ to realize classes x and y might not be enjoying their experience

[Trevor Boyer.6524]

@greedywholesome.9081

Bro, what the marketing team tells CMC to do is not CMC's fault. Just saying.

But always remember that Rev is a class favored by the best players and the best players tend to win.

Edited January 5, 2022 by Trevor Boyer.6524

[Vancho.8750]

@greedywholesome.9081

Allot of the Balance is based on some PVP discord something and it is mostly based around ATs.
CMC is doing his best with doing numbers and you could do little with it since it either it has the numbers or it doesn't and something just doesn't work. Mechanics are off the table for some dumb reason and that is what is bloating the game for so long, the whole excuse about that was the expansion, but the elite specs seem like they have been thrown together in the past 6 months not 2 years. I'm under the suspicion that most of the people that worked on skill design balance and what not have been well laid off .

@Trevor Boyer.6524 I double down and  raise you on dumb gaslight statements since my is an official forum post.

"Berserker has been in a great place with strong support, power, and condition builds that are successful in all content."

- Anet 29th April 2021.

[greedywholesome.9081]

29 minutes ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

@greedywholesome.9081

Bro, what the marketing team tells CMC to do is not CMC's fault. Just saying.

But always remember that Rev is a class favored by the best players and the best players tend to win.

 

Sis, marketing team focused on expansion, gem store and pve. I really can't envision marketing dept caring enough to tell Cohen what to do. He knows the game's mechanics far more than the marketing ppl. Have you seen the ads they blew money on?

Edited January 5, 2022 by greedywholesome.9081
Fixed punctuation

[greedywholesome.9081]

9 minutes ago, Vancho.8750 said:

@greedywholesome.9081

Allot of the Balance is based on some PVP discord something and it is mostly based around ATs.
CMC is doing his best with doing numbers and you could do little with it since it either it has the numbers or it doesn't and something just doesn't work. Mechanics are off the table for some dumb reason and that is what is bloating the game for so long, the whole excuse about that was the expansion, but the elite specs seem like they have been thrown together in the past 6 months not 2 years. I'm under the suspicion that most of the people that worked on skill design balance and what not have been well laid off .

@Trevor Boyer.6524 I double down and  raise you on dumb gaslight statements since my is an official forum post.

"Berserker has been in a great place with strong support, power, and condition builds that are successful in all content."

- Anet 29th April 2021.

 

Yes, Cohen is too smart to take the posts on these forums seriously. You're probably right on with the discord ppl carrying more influence. 

[Terrorhuz.4695]

2 hours ago, Genesis.5169 said:

this community doesnt deserve cmc

This guy said it! I did absolutely nothing to deserve CmC, why should I get his balance? Leave him to the ones who did something to deserve the punishment, at the very least!

[Trevor Boyer.6524]

12 minutes ago, greedywholesome.9081 said:

 

Sis, marketing team focused on expansion, gem store and pve. I really can't envision marketing dept caring enough to tell Cohen what to do. He knows the game's mechanics far more than the marketing ppl. Have you seen the ads they blew money on?

CMC doesn't get to do w/e he wants.

He has to dump hours into what the company is telling him to do.

Clearly Arenanet is currently not focused on pvp at all.

 

Edited January 5, 2022 by Trevor Boyer.6524

[Grand Marshal.4098]

Yaaaaasss epic icebrood saga peak GW2 yaaasss, everyone happy!!! More nerfs yay.

 

Has anyone made some Gw2 iceberg analysis yet? lmao 

[felix.2386]

nothing really changed for warrior, pre and post cmc anyway.

always meta for 2-3 months and hard nerfed to useless for 1-2 years cuz "op" since 2012

warrior's problem is down in the root.

[Vinny.7260]

Just now, felix.2386 said:

nothing really changed for warrior, pre and post cmc anyway.

always meta for 2-3 months and hard nerfed to useless for 1-2 years cuz "op" since 2012

warrior's problem is down in the root.

🎶 Baaaaaaaaaad to the bone... 🎸

[JusticeRetroHunter.7684]

57 minutes ago, Terrorhuz.4695 said:

This guy said it! I did absolutely nothing to deserve CmC, why should I get his balance? Leave him to the ones who did something to deserve the punishment, at the very least!

I think you misunderstand. CMC is a good person and a smart individual, who’s being warped and distorted by the perception of what he’s supposed to be and do by the community. In this way CMC is an instrument, a puppet if you will…on the behalf of a witch hunting pitchfork mob: The community…He is here because people wanted him there…and now he must do what the flash mob says or the flash mob gets mad…

The problem is that the mob has no idea what they want to do, and even if they did know what to do it’s usually the worst possible thing to do. (Because this mob doesn’t know anything about game balance or design)

 

In other words, the community is the mob, and it does not deserve anything…at all.
 

To be clear…CMC is part of this headless mob too…like how defacto-leaders come to power, they reflect and share the mobs frustrations and values. That’s why he’s not exempt for the outcome we have today…he’s just not fully to blame either. 

Edited January 5, 2022 by JusticeRetroHunter.7684

[ollbirtan.2915]

Imagine, believing that anyone is actually working on sPvP 🤣🤣

[The Fear.3865]

Pvp needs aurene 

[Zizekent.2398]

Just quit pvp, its healthy, and just see how things goes after EoD.

[Stand The Wall.6987]

6 hours ago, Genesis.5169 said:

His vision was requested.

lol all those points are wrong.

[Paradoxoglanis.1904]

5 hours ago, greedywholesome.9081 said:

 

 I really can't envision marketing dept caring enough to tell Cohen what to do.

Management is telling him he cant work on pvp and has to work on the xpac.

[greedywholesome.9081]

1 hour ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

Management is telling him he cant work on pvp and has to work on the xpac.

 

Now with the expac, sure, which I hope is a good thing and specs get re-calibrated. However before it was announced, pvp was his canvas. I think he knew what he wanted and already had his vision in place. 

[SoftFootpaws.9134]

You have to understand where ArenaNet is coming from.

 

In the beginning the game was entirely PvP focused, because they really wanted to build their e-Sports franchise, and as a result PvE and WvW suffered alot. There was obviously massive fan backlash over this as time went on, and the game clearly wasn't selling as an e-Sports, so they abandoned PvP for the most part because it was seen as a sinking ship that was pulling down the rest of the game, even putting the GW franchise in jeopardy (LWS1 was bad).

 

That's no longer the case, but at the same time they're scared to return to it (I mean, it took them many years just to return to WvW, and it has alot more players than PvP), for the fear that no matter what they do, it'll end up going badly again. That's why they only touch numbers and never do real reworks.

 

Consider that even if they did a complete overhaul to the game mode, it'd affect only 5-10% of their player base at most. That's not a good business decision, its a waste of resources. The only way it'd be worth it to do a real rework with frequent balance updates led by a dedicated balance team, would be if they could somehow attract at least twice the population to the game mode, at least semi-permanently.

 

CMC has nothing to do with it, and is mostly just doing his job.

 

On the bright side because competitive modes are always the end-game of MMOs especially as they age (since developers can't just churn out endless PvE content forever), we'll likely see a hardcore return to WvW in the coming months and eventually to PvP as well as they get the game ready for its final years.

Edited January 6, 2022 by Hannelore.8153