nerfing core mechanics on especs 100% kills the spec in pvp

[Sailorz.5426]

berserker - no burst ability outside of berserk, and berserk is on a gnarly cooldown

chrono - back before they reverted the change of requiring a clone to shatter (yeah its still pretty bad but they always took away the massive invul mes needs to live anyway)

druid - massive hp nerfs on pets in the balance overhaul making pets near 1 shottable. you could argue its still good but it just goes to show how broken trapper rune is but whatever.

scourge - yeah its still strong but since its been balanced it is no where near as close to meta as any other necro spec has ever been (its in the meta a lot)

 

 

the only spec im familiar in the new expansion is bladesworn. they lose both weapon swap and the core burst and i guarantee you bladesworn will be useless once the dust settles just like in the beta.
so if they took away your core mechanic, made it weaker, less interactions with traits, less involved, etc. Say good bye to having your new espec in the meta ever.

 

I'm aware there are specs where their core mechanic isn't nerfed but aren't in the meta but doing this is just a sure-fire way to make sure the spec is never viable in a balanced state.

[FrownyClown.8402]

So you want core + on everything.

[CutesySylveon.8290]

It really depends on what gets nerfed. Berserker for example is hindered by both losing its core F1 skills on top of getting a 300 toughness loss by using its Berserk mode. I get the idea of having to give up something but Anet often doesn't know how to do it and goes too far.

[anduriell.6280]

10 hours ago, Sailorz.5426 said:

the only spec im familiar in the new expansion is bladesworn. they lose both weapon swap and the core burst and i guarantee you bladesworn will be useless once the dust settles just like in the beta.

Ok they hasn't lost the weapon swap, the Zenitsu Agatsuma elite just get one of the swaps replaced by the katana. Weapon swap activates when you go into your ultimate form. 

Anyhow, i don't agree with your point. Yes the nerf to Druid pets was very unfortunate choice  and is not a very well thought trade off  to have implemented. 

That does not mean the tradeoff concept is bad per se. It is simply very badly implemented in most cases by doing nothing like the heat mechanic for holo to totally destroying the elite like the one dodge thing for mirage.

But I am sure the concept could be used as means to avoid powercreep the core classes.  

 

 

 

 

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

The "Tradeoff" system is completely borked. You have some classes giving up arms and legs for non equivalent trades, then you have other classes getting virtually no tradeoff in exchange for 12 new skills, or just a one for one trade but with a cast time instead.

Frankly, I think if one spec has to get negative stat penalties, then the rest of them should too, or just remove the stat penalties. 

[Sailorz.5426]

17 hours ago, anduriell.6280 said:

Ok they hasn't lost the weapon swap, the Zenitsu Agatsuma elite just get one of the swaps replaced by the katana. Weapon swap activates when you go into your ultimate form. 

Anyhow, i don't agree with your point. Yes the nerf to Druid pets was very unfortunate choice  and is not a very well thought trade off  to have implemented. 

That does not mean the tradeoff concept is bad per se. It is simply very badly implemented in most cases by doing nothing like the heat mechanic for holo to totally destroying the elite like the one dodge thing for mirage.

But I am sure the concept could be used as means to avoid powercreep the core classes.  

 

 

 

 

they did lose weapon swap, you basically sit in gunblade the entire time because the design is borked anyway, having only 1 actual weapon set is losing weapon swap, you wouldnt say engi can swap weapons because it has kits would you or that holo engi can swap weapons. "Zenitsu Agatsuma elite" i have no idea what this is., or what an ultimate form is either

[Axl.8924]

7 hours ago, Sailorz.5426 said:

they did lose weapon swap, you basically sit in gunblade the entire time because the design is borked anyway, having only 1 actual weapon set is losing weapon swap, you wouldnt say engi can swap weapons because it has kits would you or that holo engi can swap weapons. "Zenitsu Agatsuma elite" i have no idea what this is., or what an ultimate form is either

 

I personally don't like the way it worked out and would have prefered bladesworn worked like holosmith you get one new set of f buttons that do damage or do something that berserker doesn't do since zerker technically is still better with less delay etc. The difference is that bladesworn might be more mobile.