vares.8457 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Imba.9451 said: Also, it does not benefit most players, as the coin price to exchange them for clovers doubled. You don’t seem to understand me so I am happy to help you. With this change they are adding the option to buy MCs with strike currency, this benefits more people than the current way to get them in Fractal CMs. As a regular Fractal CM player I support this decision because it will benefit more people. 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarius.9285 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 48 minutes ago, vares.8457 said: You just have to read the posts and the outcry here. At least be honest about your motivation. This change benefits the majority of players. also you don't seen to understand people's problem. No one wants to limit coins to cms. We want more options, for more coins. People want to keep the coins in cms, and additionally add them to strikes. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vares.8457 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, Sarius.9285 said: also you don't seen to understand people's problem. No one wants to limit coins to cms. We want more options, for more coins. People want to keep the coins in cms, and additionally add them to strikes. That would devalue them, so it’s not a wise suggestion. 3 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imba.9451 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, vares.8457 said: You don’t seem to understand me so I am happy to help you. With this change they are adding the option to buy MCs with strike currency, this benefits more people than the current way to get them in Fractal CMs. As a regular Fractal CM player I support this decision because it will benefit more people. You seem to be unable to understand what I wrote, so I am happy to spell it out for you again: With the increase of Coind cost, this means that the economy revolving around coins, will climb in prices. Also, the problemis not that strike player get coins. NOONE here is mad about that. The problem is cutting them from fractals entirely. Wich benefits one group of players, but completely screws over another group of players, who put in work to have the gear to even tackle that content. Wich is simply a very, very bad move from Anet. 2 3 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vares.8457 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Imba.9451 said: You seem to be unable to understand what I wrote, so I am happy to spell it out for you again: With the increase of Coind cost, this means that the economy revolving around coins, will climb in prices. Also, the problemis not that strike player get coins. NOONE here is mad about that. The problem is cutting them from fractals entirely. Wich benefits one group of players, but completely screws over another group of players, who put in work to have the gear to even tackle that content. Wich is simply a very, very bad move from Anet. They can’t make them available from fractals and strikes, then their price would go down and another group would cry in the forums. So it’s a good move from Anet. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imba.9451 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, vares.8457 said: They can’t make them available from fractals and strikes, then their price would go down and another group would cry in the forums. So it’s a good move from Anet. Yes, they can, by limiting them accordingly. Or not, considering the increase clover cost, wich you ignored once again. Also, this is pure speculation on your part. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imba.9451 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, Imba.9451 said: Yes, they can, by limiting them accordingly. Or not, considering the increase clover cost, wich you ignored once again. Also, this is pure speculation on your part. It's a bad move, screwing over a very much liked game mode. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vares.8457 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Imba.9451 said: Yes, they can, by limiting them accordingly. Or not, considering the increase clover cost, wich you ignored once again. Also, this is pure speculation on your part. I guess your problem is that you are only thinking about yourself and it feels that they are taking something from you. This makes you mad. I can understand that. But when you broader your horizon and think about others as well, you will realize that it’s a good decision, because more will benefit. Edited February 13, 2022 by vares.8457 4 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindjie.4083 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 All game modes deserve love, and making them all worth it is very logical and all, but to me this change just intends to have people buying EoD to allow a steady supply of Mystic Coins. Removing rewards from a game mode could very much be a way to reduce number of players and justify dropping the technical support and product development in that area. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imba.9451 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, vares.8457 said: I guess your problem is that you are only thinking about yourself and it feels that they are taking something from you. This makes you mad. I can understand that. But when you broader your horizon and think about others as well, you will realize that it’s a good decision, because more will benefit. Again, another assumption, combines with a passive aggressive insult towards me. Wich doesn't go along with anything I said. I made my point pretty clear, as did several others. It's on you to ignore it. We all explained how this is bad for the overall economy. Edited February 13, 2022 by Imba.9451 4 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarius.9285 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, vares.8457 said: That would devalue them, so it’s not a wise suggestion. why? There is currently only 1 way of getting them. With the change there will still only be one way of obtaining them, and that way will have a hard limit of 10 per week, as well as being locked behind a paid Addon. It literally can't get rarer than that. Edited February 13, 2022 by Sarius.9285 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) If coins/hour was the same in fractals and strikes but available in both, how would that devalue coins? Edited February 13, 2022 by Gibson.4036 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltaicbore.8012 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) I think the fundamental issue is the existence of a single bottleneck mat of such absurd importance that can be traded. Given that MCs are "coins," I suspect that ANet intentionally designed this item to eventually become what it is now: an alternate player-tradeable in-game currency. All ANet accomplished by doing this is including yet another system into the game that they can't seem to control. Removing MCs is of course out of the question at this point. I think we're just stuck with the reality that ANet is going to "balance" MC generation like they "balanced" spvp: hit it hard in all the wrong ways, promise to keep tabs on it, then just give up. Edited February 13, 2022 by voltaicbore.8012 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 8 hours ago, Shenkopp.6317 said: who cares what Anets "goals" are if they are wrong? the point of my post is to try to get them to realize that they are not thinking about the bigger picture. I have some news for you ... you don't have a better view of the bigger picture than they do. 4 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotDelirium.7984 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 The majority of us casuals during this "controversy" : K. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotDelirium.7984 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 20 hours ago, Vancho.8750 said: The problem is that Arenanet has always been consistently inconsistent and when they kitten up something with a grand change they do not backtrack on it even if they know it was a mistake, they just plop a new shiny thing on top of the broken mess bellow. Little use of common sense could really help them notice that maybe they should not put some grand paragraph that says "We want to promote all content" and then do the opposite two sentences later. The big issue here is that they are putting all their marbles on one thing yet again and if it sucks , like DRMs(idea good, execution terrible), and it is needed for another type of content it will give them Net negative in the long run. There is also that some statements kinda reek of World of Warcraft failed concepts and maybe since I have worked in mobile game development there are some statements that just pop up as red flags and feel really "mobile gammy tricks" to say. I just got finished playing a dozen hours of the new Lost Ark and let me tell you...you have NO IDEA how good we have it here. This? A friggin ephemeral controversy compared to those other grindy souless MMOs out there. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tails.9372 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 The issue with A-Nets "design philosophies" is that they almost go out of their way to ignore the context of things. They go after the "what" but avoid the "why" like the plague which is why their solutions often times fail to solve the issue and create various kinds of collateral damage in the process. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Fire.6870 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 2/12/2022 at 7:55 AM, Cyninja.2954 said: Using all bold neither helps highlight actually important points you are trying to make, nor does it promote visibility. I skimed through your points, here are some which do not make sense: 1. WvW and 40 hours. Not a thing any longer, it's around 24 hours at most. I will agree that your point though stands, WvW rewards safe but less reward than some other content. Can't say I agree with the once again focus on skirmish tickets, there are mutliple rewards which could get improved to make this content more rewarding beyond skirmish tickets. 2. It's a free market. No, it is not in fact given that the main supplier and governor of any and all in-game wealth are the developers. They are taking actions before the limited free market which is built on top of the game design. As they do now. You are correct though, the market WILL react to those new conditions 3. Fractal and Fractal CM rewards were far beyond most content reward wise. Do I personaly like this change? No. Do I understand why they are undertaking it? Yes. The goal is to force players out of their comfort zones of only farming the easiest (and most rewarding) instanced content over and over in an attempt to promote multiple modes of instanced content. 4. Balance wise it seems that the developers want move away from the "bring as few supports as possible, but as many as you need" rather to a "bring XYZ supports to cover necessities, but have more free choice in which classes cover said support role". Time will tell how this works out. This is about more variety and options on those support slots, versus the rather strict bring these classes and fill up with dps. Finally, the changes to clovers are intended to not let players double dip reward wise and load up 1 type of content with these rewards. Yes, it's been great to buy those 60 Mystic Clover per month at half price, then either craft a legendary and sell or keep for ones self at 160-180 gold less than the market value. Increasing the cost, spreading clover availability and limiting their acquisition will promote other content besides the daily fractal farm which many of us have gotten so used to. Literally an attempt to promote a more content diverse play style at the cost of one of the most rewarding content in game. Unfortunate, but actually balanced. I'm not so sure about clovers but you get MCs also out of PvP and WvW but they are limited per season or week . From fractals you got really a good amount of them but it was still too less at least for the market which there are reasons for but the amount out of sPvP and Wvw is low. I think it was 4 or 6 peer week in wvw while you get 1.5 a day or so . The point is this will effect the economy and yeah people who want that needs then run other stuff like WvW, sPvP or Lyline anomaly. The point is I saw MC as extra and I did stock on clovers for exactly this reason I also have 500+ MCs(I sold once a stack). I never done fractals Cms for MCs or clover it was always a nice extra I put on the side . The screwed balance stuff is 10x times worse then what they try here if anything they alienate the playerbase even more if this is even possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSD.4673 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 2/12/2022 at 1:30 PM, George.9745 said: Yeah. Stop rewarding players who play your game and wanna improve. Reward the afk farmers and the login bots who bought 3$ account from weird websides. Login scripts and farm bots are cold, hard, reliable player numbers. Actual players do things like not-login, or play other games. Anet is a business, and we can all agree supporting bots is the best financial decision for the game. We should all support them as they continue to neuter what little genuine end-game remains. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Fire.6870 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 28 minutes ago, HotDelirium.7984 said: I just got finished playing a dozen hours of the new Lost Ark and let me tell you...you have NO IDEA how good we have it here. This? A friggin ephemeral controversy compared to those other grindy souless MMOs out there. Well sure 99% of all MMO are focusing on grind but what is with the rest of everything else? I play Warframe comparing it to Gw 2 I would say Gw 2 has a lof meat(story) but not a lot of sweets(fun mechanic). Warframe is the complete opposite which means Gw2s combat mechanic is not as good as many think maybe it is their cup of tea because of tab targeting and a lot of the new ones don't have this anymore but in terms of innovation Gw2 became a swamp of everything always the same . Gw 2 attacks don't telegraph a lot , most stuff are straight up dmg modifier. Yes I know PoF stuff was a bit in this direction the problem was this doesn't worked out for competitive modes because all the good stuff were PoF specs exclusive with some exceptions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George.9745 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, HotDelirium.7984 said: The majority of us casuals during this "controversy" : K. The problem with this is that at some point they will come for what you like. And nobody will be there to take your side because they all left cuz u were like "k" when they needed your support. 2 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, George.9745 said: The problem with this is that at some point they will come for what you like. And nobody will be there to take your side because they all left cuz u were like "k" when they needed your support. Yeah sure ... because Anet is just out to cannabalize their only game ... 🙄 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, George.9745 said: The problem with this is that at some point they will come for what you like. And nobody will be there to take your side because they all left cuz u were like "k" when they needed your support. Been there (asking easy mode raids + other way -non raiding to get the sexy armor) , so 'k' . Atleast i want quit for -6 less gold per day :P 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotDelirium.7984 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 39 minutes ago, George.9745 said: The problem with this is that at some point they will come for what you like. And nobody will be there to take your side because they all left cuz u were like "k" when they needed your support. They are giving rewards a little nerf they aren't coming for your children lol 6 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George.9745 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, HotDelirium.7984 said: They are giving rewards a little nerf they aren't coming for your children lol They doubled the cost, limit them on dropping 10/week only if you buy the new xpack. Removed them from a popular game mode (check lfg at any time there are always parties for CMs + Tier 4) and called it "spread the love". If it's a little nerf and can't see past it and the direction they are going with the game. Not my fault. Bb 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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