bets how the warrior will be ruined again.

[ugrakarma.9416]

In the past they ruined burst mechanic, changing it to some nonsense, where basically, to sum up, to have the good old 3 stacks u have to play the newest spec.

 

i stoped play warrior, and go to guardian for a long time, i returned to warrior, because i liked "immortal warrior" with sustain from tatics.

i like banner-slave meta, because im lazy and i dont like play piano, i just want spam banner and press #1. 

thats the main reason i going back to warrior, i was doing achievments hunt, and started trying bonneskinner, i have seen warrior was requested, then i make the banner slave meta build.

 

Also i hate this copy-paste of holosmith concept, i detest holosmith and never play it.

Even worse, its hides your weapon. i dont like steampunk, so basically that thing "gunflame" will be like engineer tookkits, that replace your weapon skin.

 

This time, what your bets about what they will do to ruin warrior again?

[Grand Marshal.4098]

Warrior is already ruined, it has no mobility, it has no good stab, it ha too kitten long cooldowns, it has useless traitlines, it's CC focused weaponry does no dmg and other things. Sure I can go kill 4 pugs on wvw and make a compilation, the reaction will be "warrior is fine"

[Myror.7521]

Warrior is punished simply by one big omega patch that never get fix patched. Letz wait until the next big balance patch (will drop in summer) so we see where they gonna want warriors standings.

[ugrakarma.9416]

one of my bet is that burst will be completely removed, and only the "gun warrior"(i forget the name) will have it.

[Mell.4873]

I hope they add enough boon to warrent me playing it again. I would love to try a support spellbreaker for pve groups. 

[oscuro.9720]

Tbh you may enjoy banner meta, but the vast majority of the PvE warrior community does not. I also don’t think the change is going to go full-piano mode. Warrior will always remain fairly simple in terms of play style, banners are just exceptionally brain dead and that’s not exactly a good thing. You really shouldn’t be too worried about warrior becoming too complex imo. 

The reality is warriors have been asking for banner rework for a long time, and it’s shouldn’t be viewed as anything but a good thing that it’s happening, because it is desperately needed. Whether or not it’s executed properly is a separate issue, but it is wanted and needed. 

As for Bladesworn, I really don’t have anything to say about your criticisms. If it’s not your speed, it’s not your speed. You do you my man 🙂

Edited February 13, 2022 by oscuro.9720

[Hotride.2187]

I bet they are gonna add boons to replace banner buffs, boons that are already covered by a hfb (cause, what isn't). Then you can just pretend warrior doesn't exist anymore.

[Myror.7521]

@Hotride.2187 nah they will bring that fix to banners by a rly big pve Patch. As they where talking in that thing. They wana made the  Balance like it Was before professions where released. Means every class could bring every thing. Other words it meant that they wana made e-specs as they should be. Unique roles and playstyles. Sure fb is broken cause it bring too many boons on the Table atm. How ever maybe they will fix this issue vy that big  Balance patch

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

I'm certain that to accomplish their goals that FB is going to see some nerfs to make room for other professions.

[Faccina.5091]

Quote

it has no mobility it has no good stab, it ha too kitten long cooldowns, it has useless traitlines, it's CC focused weaponry does no dmg and other things.

one yesterday was running all around the keep and no one was able to catch him even when he was chilled

also on 1v1 i was permastunned and he critted 2 to 4k

[Hotride.2187]

19 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

I'm certain that to accomplish their goals that FB is going to see some nerfs to make room for other professions.

The only thing they can really touch is the quickness; unless they give more professions group stab and remove it from core guard (gl with that). If war would get perma 5 targets quickness (with diviners stats) and fb loses it... who knows maybe war wont be useless.

[Grand Marshal.4098]

17 minutes ago, Faccina.5091 said:

one yesterday was running all around the keep and no one was able to catch him even when he was chilled

also on 1v1 i was permastunned and he critted 2 to 4k

I can give you a build rn that does that. It's the useless tank warrior with movement skills etc.

 

Why does warrior have no good mobility: we need time to travel with our kills unlike other professions who utilize teleports on built-in evades. Bull's Charge and GS3 are laughably short distance and GS5 and Sword 2 can easily be interrupted.

 

Signet of Dolyak and Balanced Stance have too long cooldowns for what they do. Dolyak Signet is a prime corruption target and Balanced stance can protect from that but, fear chaining is possible. Our stunbreaks have too long cooldowns to compensate. Shake it Off, a cleanse stunbreak still 75 sec CD and anet clowns think Jokesworn Tactical Reload will make it too strong. Maybe it will, why balance properly the skill right? An elite should fix it! 

 

Sustain is sub-optimal unless massively built for healing power. Sure I can go full stance and avoid a zerg till I enter SM, but that doesn't mean warrior has the potential to recover from attacks like a Soulbeast or Holosmith would, with less tanking but more sustain.

 

The list goes on, Warrior buffs are long overdue and I don't trust anet clowns anymore.

Edited February 13, 2022 by Grand Marshal.4098

[Grand Marshal.4098]

Just now, Hotride.2187 said:

The only thing they can really touch is the quickness; unless they give more professions group stab and remove it from core guard (gl with that). If war would get perma 5 targets quickness (with diviners stats) and fb loses it... who knows maybe war wont be useless.

Yeah cause frankly, lapping quickness on banners and calling it "rework" like Scrapper Gyros will be super welcome from PvE warriors who want to avoid using banner for the stats (wow now they may use the banner for Quickness!!! 😉) and I see the meta extending in WvW!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!1!!!

[artharon.9276]

Oh the people who call warrior simple.

I can't express how mad I get when some guy calls it that. get yourself a rev or engi and see how its infinitely simpler. 

and no warrior won't be ruined any further. 

 

If anet wants to show some  initiative i could think of a few things that probably won't happen. Here how i would have it changed.

 

1. Remove extra stat buffs coming via banner trait instead turn banners moveable. Aesthetically i prefer a soldier pet carrying it not attached to my back. 

 

2. This pet should be diffrent for each type of banner. For example, defense - a stone dwarf carrying it, pulsing protection, tactics - staff soldier pulsing regen, strength banner - hammer guy, pulsing fury, discipline banner, sunspear, pulsing alacrity. 

 

3. All soldiers other than their pulses should have a use, like a flipped secondary skill activated by pressing the same skill button. Defense - taunt, discipline a single aoe hit, strenght-target pull,  tactics - an extra direct healing pulse. 

4. Instead of replanting the  banners game, warriors self heals should heal soldiers when they die, cooldown starts. This would give a reason to use shout heals and not use all banners at the same time.

5. Elite banner can stay as it is. Untraited banner mechanics can stay as it is to those who like that play style. 

 

These are my thoughts. 

Edited February 13, 2022 by artharon.9276

[ugrakarma.9416]

5 hours ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said:

I can give you a build rn that does that. It's the useless tank warrior with movement skills etc.

 

Why does warrior have no good mobility: we need time to travel with our kills unlike other professions who utilize teleports on built-in evades. Bull's Charge and GS3 are laughably short distance and GS5 and Sword 2 can easily be interrupted.

 

i dont play ppvp modes, but pve, but inst exactly mobility i feel lacking, but "catching up" skills. as GS warrior we have basically #5.

 

but look at reaper necro, either skills are AoE or are catch up.

[Gorem.8104]

I guess the issue here is that, Warrior right now is already pretty ruined with some of the worst and outdated skill sets the game has to offer. I look at Warrior utilities and wonder exactly what they were thinking, so many of them are terrible or have been nerfed for some reason. Its not wonder so many go after signets cause the actives ones we have pale is comparison to other classes. And then we also needs ones like the Precision sigil that must never be used to get higher crit rate that other classes do not need. 

 

How can they already make something as low as Warrior, lower? Surely the only way is up, right? 

[ugrakarma.9416]

1 minute ago, Gorem.8104 said:

I guess the issue here is that, Warrior right now is already pretty ruined with some of the worst and outdated skill sets the game has to offer. I look at Warrior utilities and wonder exactly what they were thinking, so many of them are terrible or have been nerfed for some reason. Its not wonder so many go after signets cause the actives ones we have pale is comparison to other classes. And then we also needs ones like the Precision sigil that must never be used to get higher crit rate that other classes do not need. 

 

How can they already make something as low as Warrior, lower? Surely the only way is up, right? 

messing up with banners.

ppl opmistic need remember what they did to Burst skills. u either need go berserker or spellbreaker to have it "full".

[Infusion.7149]

If they make banners only spam boons expect to only play warrior as DPS. I'd imagine it'd be even worse than druid since druid spirits have an active component (well technically ranger spirits).

[TugboatSteve.3607]

Banners are literally bad gameplay. Plz no.

[RiyazGuerra.9203]

On 2/13/2022 at 8:24 AM, Grand Marshal.4098 said:

I can give you a build rn that does that. It's the useless tank warrior with movement skills etc.

 

Why does warrior have no good mobility: we need time to travel with our kills unlike other professions who utilize teleports on built-in evades. Bull's Charge and GS3 are laughably short distance and GS5 and Sword 2 can easily be interrupted.

 

Signet of Dolyak and Balanced Stance have too long cooldowns for what they do. Dolyak Signet is a prime corruption target and Balanced stance can protect from that but, fear chaining is possible. Our stunbreaks have too long cooldowns to compensate. Shake it Off, a cleanse stunbreak still 75 sec CD and anet clowns think Jokesworn Tactical Reload will make it too strong. Maybe it will, why balance properly the skill right? An elite should fix it! 

 

Sustain is sub-optimal unless massively built for healing power. Sure I can go full stance and avoid a zerg till I enter SM, but that doesn't mean warrior has the potential to recover from attacks like a Soulbeast or Holosmith would, with less tanking but more sustain.

 

The list goes on, Warrior buffs are long overdue and I don't trust anet clowns anymore.

 

Sadly, I don't trust them as well.  Maybe it's time the community petition for a completely new balance team to look at profession balance with fresh eyes. 

 

Hell, they can try an experiment and assemble a workgroup of pro pvp and wvw (PvE not necessary because the changes are not as difficult) players to submit balance suggestions.  Nothing binding, just recommendations.

[Zekent.3652]

Making bladesworn a healsworn.

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

57 minutes ago, RiyazGuerra.9203 said:

 

Sadly, I don't trust them as well.  Maybe it's time the community petition for a completely new balance team to look at profession balance with fresh eyes. 

 

Hell, they can try an experiment and assemble a workgroup of pro pvp and wvw (PvE not necessary because the changes are not as difficult) players to submit balance suggestions.  Nothing binding, just recommendations.

So the Omnibus. Gotcha. Because that went over so well in the end.

[RiyazGuerra.9203]

7 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

So the Omnibus. Gotcha. Because that went over so well in the end.

 

Hey I like those ideas in the omnibus and in a ideal situation they would take at least some of those, but they are more prone to soliciting input from guilds in top pvp, wvw servers as they have done so in the past.  Just get some fresh eyes in there, we desperately need it.  And if they go that route, please, for the love of god, get player input from non-thief roamers.  I recall an earlier vid where they interviewed players from top European servers and most of them were thief roamers.

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

56 minutes ago, RiyazGuerra.9203 said:

 

Hey I like those ideas in the omnibus and in a ideal situation they would take at least some of those, but they are more prone to soliciting input from guilds in top pvp, wvw servers as they have done so in the past.  Just get some fresh eyes in there, we desperately need it.  And if they go that route, please, for the love of god, get player input from non-thief roamers.  I recall an earlier vid where they interviewed players from top European servers and most of them were thief roamers.

Listening to the mains on the forum is just as helpful as "top" guilds in PvP and WvW. Those top guilds are only going to give advice that help their guild in particular, the rest of us be damned.

And they did take some ideas from that omnibus, they just shoved them into Willbender is all.

[ilMasa.2546]

I don't know ,the idea i get when i see some changes to mechanics and or classes is that the balance team dont play the game.
They read some complaints and just fix based on those complaints.

I would love to have several builds option to play but 10 years later im still using mostly the SAME traits and the SAME skills: and is getting kinda boring.
I didnt like any of the new professions so far,so i guess id propably end up playing the same berserker build ive been palying since HoT. which is sad tbh.