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Below is the complete list of changes made to the Virtuoso for Beta 4, the collective feedback from the Mesmer community (Virtuoso Feedback Thread) regarding what the Virtuoso needs/could use and lastly, the final changes the Virtuoso received upon release of End of Dragons.

馃幁Full聽List of Changes to Virtuoso [Beta 4]:

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Gameplay Changes:

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 While out of combat, the Virtuoso will now automatically stock a blade every 10 seconds.

Skill and Trait Adjustments:

Bladesongs:

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladesong Harmony: Damage coefficient per blade reduced from 0.8 to 0.7 in PvE only.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladesong Dissonance: Damage coefficient reduced from 1.2 to 1 in PvE only.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladeturn Requiem: Damage coefficient reduced from 0.3 to 0.2 in PvE only. Base block duration set to 2s.聽

Dagger:

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Flying Cutter: Damage coefficient per hit reduced from 0.65 to 0.5 in PvE only.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Flying Cutter: Added a skill fact to clarify that each count towards causing a bonus flurry of blades will expire after 5 seconds if not 'used' by reaching a count of 3. This is not a functionality change.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladecall: Damage coefficient per hit reduced from 0.6 to 0.5 in PvE only.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Unstable Bladestorm: Increased power coefficient from 1.0 to 1.25 in PvP and WvW.

Utility Skills:

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Thousand Cuts: Recharge reduced from 75s to 60s in PvE only.聽This skill is now unblockable. Can now be aimed in any direction while moving. This skill is now cast instantly. Number of hits increased from 6 over 3s to 10 over 5s. Damage coefficient per hit reduced from 2 to 0.5 in PvE, and from 1 to 0.5 in PvP and WvW.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Rain of Swords: Damage coefficient per hit reduced from 1 to 0.8 in PvE only.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Psychic Force: Reduced cooldown from 45 seconds to 40 seconds in PvP and WvW.

Traits:

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Psychic Riposte: Blades stocked on activation increased from 1 to 3. Internal cooldown increased from 1s to 3s. No longer fires a damaging attack when triggered, instead causes your next Bladesong to be unblockable.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Infinite Forge: No longer capped at a maximum of 3 blades.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Quiet Intensity: Your summoned phantasms now also gain the increased critical strike chance from Fury.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Duelist's Reversal: Now additionally grants Regeneration for 3s.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Deadly Blades: Now additionally grants a 5% increase to all damage dealt for the next 5s after successfully casting a Bladesong skill.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Jagged Mind: Bleed duration increased from 2s to 2.5s in PvE only.

Core Mesmer:

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Signet of the Ether: Added clarifying text stating that for Virtuoso, this skill's passive effect triggers when stocking a blade.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Illusionary Inspiration:聽Added clarifying text stating that for Virtuoso, this trait triggers when stocking a blade.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Illusionary Defense:聽Added聽clarifying text stating that for Virtuoso, this trait triggers when stocking a blade.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Compounding Power:聽Added clarifying text stating that for Virtuoso, this trait triggers when stocking a blade.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Signet of the Ether: Added clarifying text stating that for Virtuoso, this skill's passive effect triggers when stocking a blade.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Decoy: Will now stock a blade if used out of combat. Previously this skill only stocked a blade if a target was in range.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Mirror Images: May now be used out of combat to stock two blades.聽Previously this skill only stocked blades聽if a target was in range.

Bug Fixes:

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Signet of the Ether: Fixed a bug preventing the passive heal effect of this signet from occurring when you stock a Blade.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Illusionary Inspiration: Fixed a bug preventing this trait from activating and healing nearby allies when you stock a Blade.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Imminent Voyage: Fixed a bug causing this skill聽to create a clone instead of stocking a blade when used by a Virtuoso.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Feigned Surge: Fixed a bug causing this skill to create a clone instead of stocking a blade when used by a Virtuoso.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bountiful Disillusionment: Fixed a bug allowing boons to be gained when using a Bladesong even when that Bladesong's cast was aborted.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladesong Sorrow: Fixed a bug in which Bladesong Sorrow did not apply Confusion if the trait Sharpening Sorrow was equipped.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladesong Sorrow: Fixed a bug in which Bladesong Sorrow could hit additional times if you are standing inside the targets' hitbox.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladeturn Requiem: Skill effects now properly cancel if this skill is aborted mid-execution.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Inspiring Distortion: Fixed a bug in which this trait did not activate when a Virtuoso uses Bladeturn Requiem.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Ether Clone: Fixed a bug in which this skill did not stock blades for a Virtuoso past a maximum of 3.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Mental Focus: Updated to correctly display that the damage increase to targets within the distance threshold is 10% in PvE. This is not a reduction in the actual power of this trait, the displayed 15% in Beta 1 was incorrect, and the actual bonus damage granted is 10%.

馃幁Virtuoso Compiled Community Changes:

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Virtuoso 鈥渃hanges鈥 at a glance:

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Lack of mobility

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Lack of condition cleanses

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Lack of survivability against gap closers

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 No clones or other means to take aggro off you.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Traits unimaginative and passive

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Reflects not addressed

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Dagger and Utilities too one dimensional

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Lack luster condition options

Bladesongs:

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladesongs should be instant, 录sec or 陆sec.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladesongs are too tethered to original design of pwr damage/condi damage/cc and defence.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladesongs should innately have unblockable projectiles when their target is beyond a certain threshold.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladesong Sorrow: Not enough condition traits and skills in the Virtuoso kit to make sense of the confusion condition on this Bladesong. Should be changed to a different condition or have an effect that removes a boon or deals damage based on the number of conditions on an enemy.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Have to face target to use.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Hindered by heavy reflection.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Should be instant cast or half a second.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 If your target ends up being out of range or hides behind a wall, you end up losing all your stacks of blades.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladesongs should have extra ammo, notably F1-F3 or shorter/similar cooldowns. Blade generation is too high which makes Bladesongs unavailable to use if they鈥檙e on cooldown.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladeturn Requiem: Damage is low. Should鈥檝e been made into a utility, trading spots with Blade Renewal. Distortion is better than a Block.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladesongs should have stronger effects when used with full stacks.

Dagger:

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Missed opportunity to give Virtuoso an off hand dagger.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Projectile based, which like the Bladesongs are hindered against reflection.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Could use more utility.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Flying Cutter: Damage is low. Feels incomplete. Should give a stack of Might from each hit of Flurry of Blades or have a chance to give Fury or Might.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladecall: Feels incomplete. Recall too slow. Should have some form of cc when returning.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Unstable Bladestorm: Easy to dodge. Feels incomplete. Suggestions were to have an expanding storm at target location that damaged and destroys incoming projectiles.

Utility Skills:

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Twin Blade Restoration: Should be used no matter which direction type facing or without a target. Or the attack should be removed and just be a regular heal with all of its effects.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Rain of Swords & Sword of Decimation are too similar and should be combined. Damage is low.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Blade Renewal:聽Should鈥檝e been placed on F4. With the blade generation changes, it makes this skill redundant in carrying and forces players to take only for the distortion. Should be a stun break.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Psychic Force: Long cooldown. Preferred if this skill had a knockback range of 450 (minimum) to 600 (maximum) depending on how close the enemy is. Stunbreak removed. Should be a knockback similar to Catalyst Windstorm.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Thousand Cuts 鈥撀燭he damage is really聽low. The Range and width is small. Additionally, too similar to rain of swords being it just horizontal. Range, Width and duration should be increased.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Lacking a trait that affects Psionics.

Traits:

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Jagged Mind: Overlaps and is too similar to Sharper Images. Should be changed to something else.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Mental Focus: Encourages you to stay in 600 range. Range threshold should be increased or changed. An effect to be considered would be to have the damage further increased if the target is beyond the threshold.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 If Blades are considered as Clones/Illusions, the following traits should affect them which currently are not: Empowered Illusions, Vicious Expression and Sharper.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Note: the change you made regarding Illusionary Inspiration & Illusionary Defense triggering when stocking Blade. It clearly states 鈥淪ummoning an Illusion,鈥 which proves that Blades are in fact Clones/Illusions, and the above traits mentioned should affect ALL Blade related traits and skills as intended as you are contradicting what the Blades are and how they interact with other Mesmer traits.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bottom traitline should be reworked into something else other than condition. The Virtuoso is clearly a power focused spec and the Bleeding condition is not a strong condition when compared to others even with the damage increase to Bleeding.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Psychic Riposte: Redundant interaction with Blade Renewal as they聽both restock blades. Additionally, Duelist's Reversal and Psychic Riposte feel too similar functionally.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Infinite Forge: Still feels too passive.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Blade Generation (overstocking): Given increased ways to stock blades, there should be an effect that triggers when we are at max blades. Such as, spare blades firing off at a nearby foe or giving a random boon.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 All Sword and Greatsword skills should be considered as a 鈥淏lade.鈥

馃幁End of Dragons Release - Final List of Changes to the Virtuoso:

Virtuoso

Bladesongs:

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Bladesong Sorrow: Inflicts Bleeding.

Traits:

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Jagged Mind: Blade attacks inflict bleeding on critical hits. A percentage of your condition damage dealt heals you by 3%.

Mesmer

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Time Warp: Maximum targets reduced from 10 to 5.

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Signet of Inspiration: This now only affects the user by default. The trait Blurred Inscriptions increases the target cap to 5.

Mirage

路聽聽聽聽聽聽 Chaos Vortex: Maximum targets reduced from 10 to 5.

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Quickly skimming through the unlock wheel since I haven't bought this trash and can't check dagger.

F2 now also causes bleeding as well.

Jagged mind causes 3% of condition damage done to heal you.聽

Now wonder they didn't announce the changes before hand.

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15 minutes ago, Xaylin.1860 said:

Got to admit... the SoI change caught me off guard. Not sure if this Signet is worth casting (or bringing) unless traited now聽馃ゴ

Couldn't they like just change the buff it gets when traited instead of nerfing the untraited version to the ground if they really wanted to just decrease the target cap?

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I have to admit, I'm a little disappointed. I will still play virtuoso and have a ton of fun, and I'm glad to see they kept the condi line and buffed it a little bit, but I was expecting more changes. Also, I checked in game, but main hand and off hand sword skills don't count as blade skills. I just don't understand the reasoning behind that at all, considering they are literally blades and the greatsword counts as a blade (except for the greatsword auto attack, which is a shame).

It's also strange to me that they kept the damage buff when within 600 range, despite it being a ranged spec.

Personally I really enjoyed virtuoso in the betas, and I will continue to do so, but its a shame that, in my opinion, it is so close to being great.

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3 minutes ago, Gryxis.6950 said:

Couldn't they like just change the buff it gets when traited instead of nerfing the untraited version to the ground if they really wanted to just decrease the target cap?

Couldn't they have given Mesmer an actual elite spec instead of Mesmer 0.5.

The answer is no because they neither understand nor like Mesmer.

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3 minutes ago, mortrialus.3062 said:

All those chuckleheads who were constantly saying "Virtuoso is GREAT!聽 They'll make sure it's viable when it's released!" should come in here and eat crow. And then leave forever.聽

They will just make up more kitten to defend it or leave now that their job of making sure it released in a kitten state is done.

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2 hours ago, Curunen.8729 said:

That's... really minimal.


(on a serious note can appreciate must be a lot of pressure to deliver the rest of EoD)

Hoping in 6 months time the Summer patch might contain a few more lines.

I agree!聽I do think they should鈥檝e released all elite specs at once聽during the beta instead of having them spread out. But heres聽hoping聽they make some changes during the summer time.

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1 hour ago, phokus.8934 said:

Initial playing in wvw, Virtuoso is falling really short.聽 From power to condi, just feels and plays subpar to core, Chrono, and Mirage.

Sadly, that was expected鈥 In any case, across the board, the class balance changes are minuscule from thr second beta.

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2 hours ago, Levetty.1279 said:

Quickly skimming through the unlock wheel since I haven't bought this trash and can't check dagger.

F2 now also causes bleeding as well.

Jagged mind causes 3% of condition damage done to heal you.聽

Now wonder they didn't announce the changes before hand.

They barely did any changes from the last beta, in more than 6 months.

Abysmal development practices, total disrespect for the players.

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