HOlosmith buff?

[Druh.1092]

i havent had a chance to play yet since balance patch but why did holosmiths get prty big damage buffs i mean they could already chain cc and one shot u if u made 1 mistake.......they need more dmg i guess so they dont have to cc also they have perma stability so u cant even cc them if u dont have a boon rip up plus the cover boons they haver only if ur a scourge

[Undo.5091]

They buffed completely unused aspects of holosmith. The only changes that actually affected what anyone ran were the PF5 (which looks like it can now be used to bait dodges) and vent exhaust (which most players didn't even trait for).

[Razor.6392]

They're buffs regardless. They needed some nerfs, really minor tweaks, to reach balance.

[Vagrant.7206]

@Razor.6392 said:They're buffs regardless. They needed some nerfs, really minor tweaks, to reach balance.

Umm... I'ma stop you right there:

• Holosmith still can't facetank anything. It's still high-risk, high-reward. Scourges and condi builds can still melt us.
• The buffs were primarily to sword damage, which was woefully underwhelming on release. Sword changes are primarily for PvE, as using it in PvP almost completely eliminates any ranged options a holo might have. And as I mentioned before... we can't facetank.
• Other buffs included combo fields/finishers which should have been there in the first place, and making coolant blast's toolbelt skill, cauterize, potentially competitive compared to healing turret.

What are we still missing?

• Heat bonuses on any weapons other than sword (Why did weaver get all its core weapons affected, and engineer only got the new one?)
• Defensive exceeds are still pretty trashy and counterintuitive
• Condi holo is still really wonky.
• Something to make vent exhaust not anti-synergetic with the rest of holosmith.

[Lunateric.3708]

@Razor.6392 said:They're buffs regardless. They needed some nerfs, really minor tweaks, to reach balance.

They are extremely easy to counter and focus down, if anything, they are closer to balance than any other PoF spec besides maybe Deadeye.

[ZhouX.8742]

Obviously a troll post, disregard

[Razor.6392]

@Vagrant.7206 said:

@Razor.6392 said:They're buffs regardless. They needed some nerfs, really minor tweaks, to reach balance.

Umm... I'ma stop you right there:

• Holosmith still can't facetank anything. It's still high-risk, high-reward. Scourges and condi builds can still melt us.
• The buffs were primarily to
  sword
  damage, which was woefully underwhelming on release. Sword changes are primarily for PvE, as using it in PvP almost completely eliminates any ranged options a holo might have. And as I mentioned before... we can't facetank.
• Other buffs included combo fields/finishers which should have been there in the first place, and making coolant blast's toolbelt skill, cauterize, potentially competitive compared to healing turret.

What are we still missing?

• Heat bonuses on any weapons other than sword (Why did weaver get all its core weapons affected, and engineer only got the new one?)
• Defensive exceeds are still pretty trashy and counterintuitive
• Condi holo is still really wonky.
• Something to make vent exhaust not anti-synergetic with the rest of holosmith.

Who is so scary that they cannot facetank? Sure they can't facetank multiple people, but name a bad matchup that cannot be 'facetanked' by holo.

They needed stab and leap nerfs.

[Unholy Pillager.3791]

@Razor.6392 said:

@Vagrant.7206 said:

@Razor.6392 said:They're buffs regardless. They needed some nerfs, really minor tweaks, to reach balance.

Umm... I'ma stop you right there:

• Holosmith still can't facetank anything. It's still high-risk, high-reward. Scourges and condi builds can still melt us.
• The buffs were primarily to
  sword
  damage, which was woefully underwhelming on release. Sword changes are primarily for PvE, as using it in PvP almost completely eliminates any ranged options a holo might have. And as I mentioned before... we can't facetank.
• Other buffs included combo fields/finishers which should have been there in the first place, and making coolant blast's toolbelt skill, cauterize, potentially competitive compared to healing turret.

What are we still missing?

• Heat bonuses on any weapons other than sword (Why did weaver get all its core weapons affected, and engineer only got the new one?)
• Defensive exceeds are still pretty trashy and counterintuitive
• Condi holo is still really wonky.
• Something to make vent exhaust not anti-synergetic with the rest of holosmith.

Who is so scary that they cannot facetank? Sure they can't facetank multiple people, but name a bad matchup that cannot be 'facetanked' by holo.

They needed stab and leap nerfs.

Funny, I never have any noteworthy difficulty facing holosmiths. They're extremely squishy, and once their heat gets too high their offensive pressure disappears. They can disengage, sure, but so can thieves and (to an extent) warriors and mesmers.

Maybe you just only play a build that's particularly weak against holosmiths?

[Undo.5091]

@Razor.6392 said:

@Vagrant.7206 said:

@Razor.6392 said:They're buffs regardless. They needed some nerfs, really minor tweaks, to reach balance.

Umm... I'ma stop you right there:

• Holosmith still can't facetank anything. It's still high-risk, high-reward. Scourges and condi builds can still melt us.
• The buffs were primarily to
  sword
  damage, which was woefully underwhelming on release. Sword changes are primarily for PvE, as using it in PvP almost completely eliminates any ranged options a holo might have. And as I mentioned before... we can't facetank.
• Other buffs included combo fields/finishers which should have been there in the first place, and making coolant blast's toolbelt skill, cauterize, potentially competitive compared to healing turret.

What are we still missing?

• Heat bonuses on any weapons other than sword (Why did weaver get all its core weapons affected, and engineer only got the new one?)
• Defensive exceeds are still pretty trashy and counterintuitive
• Condi holo is still really wonky.
• Something to make vent exhaust not anti-synergetic with the rest of holosmith.

Who is so scary that they cannot facetank? Sure they can't facetank multiple people, but name a bad matchup that cannot be 'facetanked' by holo.

They needed stab and leap nerfs.

It would be more of a challenge to name a good matchup. Prior to today's patch, they had poor matchups with just about everything aside from another holosmith.

[Jeknar.6184]

@Razor.6392 said:Who is so scary that they cannot facetank? Sure they can't facetank multiple people, but name a bad matchup that cannot be 'facetanked' by holo.

They needed stab and leap nerfs.

Holo can't facetank SpellbreakerHolo can't facetank SoulbeastHolo can't facetank Condi ScourgeHolo can't facetank the newly buffed Power ReaperHolo can't facetank MMR warriorHolo can't facetank DragonhunterHolo can't facetank another Holo

Do I need to go on?

[Bossun.2046]

B-but Holo is op! ;-;

/sarcasm

[Unholy Pillager.3791]

@Bossun.2046 said:B-but Holo is op! ;-;

/sarcasm

Honestly, it feels like DH is much stronger than holo right now, simply because scourges are everywhere.

[Crinn.7864]

@Jeknar.6184 said:

@Razor.6392 said:Who is so scary that they cannot facetank? Sure they can't facetank multiple people, but name a bad matchup that cannot be 'facetanked' by holo.

They needed stab and leap nerfs.

Holo can't facetank SpellbreakerHolo can't facetank SoulbeastHolo can't facetank Condi ScourgeHolo can't facetank the newly buffed Power ReaperHolo can't facetank MMR warriorHolo can't facetank DragonhunterHolo can't facetank another Holo

Do I need to go on?

Uh, no class can facetank anything. It's why we have these things called blocks, dodges, CC, and blinds.

[coglin.1496]

@Razor.6392 said:They're buffs regardless. They needed some nerfs, really minor tweaks, to reach balance.

Such as? If your going to complain, the least you could do is to not aimlessly complain, and offer some reasonable specifics.

Can you show me a video of you specifically, playing in such an overpowered manner, or are all overpowered holismiths, simply the ones playing against you?

[Alwayshappy.2549]

A typical ''omg, I lost against a holosmith with an OP build, so they must be OP instead''! post

[Razor.6392]

@coglin.1496 said:

@Razor.6392 said:They're buffs regardless. They needed some nerfs, really minor tweaks, to reach balance.

Such as? If your going to complain, the least you could do is to not aimlessly complain, and offer some reasonable specifics.

Can you show me a video of you specifically, playing in such an overpowered manner, or are all overpowered holismiths, simply the ones playing against you?

Already named plenty of specifics in other threads but sure. Holo Leap needed a huge damage shave if its gonna keep its 2 second cooldown and the free stability on CC: Eclipse needed to have a nerf of sorts.

[Jeknar.6184]

@Crinn.7864 said:

@Jeknar.6184 said:

@Razor.6392 said:Who is so scary that they cannot facetank? Sure they can't facetank multiple people, but name a bad matchup that cannot be 'facetanked' by holo.

They needed stab and leap nerfs.

Holo can't facetank SpellbreakerHolo can't facetank SoulbeastHolo can't facetank Condi ScourgeHolo can't facetank the newly buffed Power ReaperHolo can't facetank MMR warriorHolo can't facetank DragonhunterHolo can't facetank another Holo

Do I need to go on?

Uh, no class can facetank anything. It's why we have these things called blocks, dodges, CC, and blinds.

As far as I know, the definition of facetank is being able to stand your ground and receive all the punishment the enemy is throwing at you. If you block or use your immunities, you are still face tanking it by using your skills. When you dodge or interupt your enemy attacks you are no longer facetanking, but evading or countering.

And at least until yesterday patch, Warriors could easily facetank anything (Except for Condi Scourge) with high sustain through immunities, blocks and health regen. Saying no class could facetank anything when you have things like Spellbreaker or Support Firebrand who don't move a inch despite you throwing everything at them is just absurd.

[Vagrant.7206]

You know, I'm betting @Razor.6392 is playing the tank tempest build! The kind of build that used to be near impervious unless 3 people were focusing. Now a holo who knows what they're doing can take out a tempest like that, or at least scare them off solo.

He's now faced against a hard counter and can't accept it.

[brannigan.9831]

Holosmith are fine what are people talking about.