Achievement Points lost [Merged]

[Omega.6801]

Not sure if it's the same thing. But I've lost 2AP today that I'm sure of and I vaguely remember losing some when the update changed story achievements.
Adding some information:
Last AP earned on accountwas for "Saltwater Fisher" and "Fishmongers know me". that brought me to 43'981.
Then I did a meta run, completing "Eternalt Saitung Province Meta Event".
After the meta train and after completing "Agent of Entropy" in the process of clearing my inventory, I saw that that I had dropped to 43'979 at some point in the last 5 hours.

Edited May 15, 2022 by lokh.2695

[Chocofox.9503]

just did KAinain meta earned 1 ap I shouldn't have from a repeatable not in this neighborhood then I lost 3 ap on map swap. Any news on why we are still losing more ap than we are getting?  

 

+1ap extra ap

-3ap because of some weird interaction.

 

still a -2 overall.

 

[darksome.1697]

@Rubi Bayer.8493 Great to see you fixed the requirements for hidden achievements for the Act parts in today's patch. But we're still missing the achievement points that has been (and still are?) deducted when completing repeatable tasks in Seitung Province and New Kaineng City that no longer award AP on completion.

 

I really don't want to test this any further as I suspect we will never get the deducted AP back, but it has been confirmed for the Eternal Seitung Province Meta-Event and Hero of New Kaineng (New Kaineng City meta) which people who know now avoid doing for that reason. (Most likely through some or all of the other repeatable tasks no longer awarding AP on completion: Eternal Purist Shenanigans, Eternal Seitung Harbor Shenanigans, Eternal Aetherblade Shenanigans, Eternal Troubles from the Deep) and (Not In This Neighbourhood, Protector of Kaineng, Kappa Exterminator, Harbinger of Zhaitan).

 

This AP-removing bug has effectively removed Seitung Province and New Kaineng from the expansion for those who know of this issue. Can we please get some sort of update?

[Asuaka.1528]

The new Zaithan Legendary Repeatable Achievement (named: "Aurene's Facet of Shadows") has the same problem again.

 

See: 

 

 

[Justin Time.7054]

I am truly worried about what happened.
I had 19.449 points when I got to New Kaineng City today.
Absolutely sure about that, I am a maniac in terms of getting to Masterful Achiever and I check progression very often.
Then I won two points with a Drain Inlet Plumer something.
When I came to look at my index I saw I have now 19.448 points.
This bug really worries me because I am so close to Masterful Achiever.
I am worried this thing will happen again and I will loose other points again.
By the way, I will not play in New Kaineng City until I will read this mess is solved.
And I demand my three points back.

 

[WPooch.6084]

Yup, sadly this has been an issue since the expansion launched. Doing the repeatable achievements on those maps (Kaineng and Seitung) sometimes give extra achievement points and sometimes take them away. So basically playing on 2 of the 4 maps in the expansion can risk your AP total. There are other threads about it on this forum, and the fact that it has been an issue since day 1 and we have had no communication on it at all from ArenaNet is not a good look. I don't understand why this hasn't been made a priority to fix.

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

Although the bug has not been fixed yet, there has been communication:

 

[Justin Time.7054]

Thanks all, I made a research asking for "points" before writing my post and gave me nothing. I probably miss some searching technique. However, after reading the threads you posted I confirm I will suspend playing in New Kayneng City and the other mentioned area until I get to Masterful Achiever. I hope the bug will be fixed.

[Illumine Sparkler.6019]

i lost 2 ap today after i mapped into kaineng city from seitung, went from 42,002 to 42k. makes me not want to go for anything else incase i lose more.

[Dami.5046]

Same issue. Contacted support was told to do a bug report. yep.

I am doing Achievements and getting zero points because the metas in cantha seem to take 2 AP off now and again.

Frustrated to say the least. 

I will add that i've noticed that the meta in SP does add a point now and again, but takes 2 away. 😕  

[Ari.4672]

Did Seitung meta - moved to Echovald and lost 2 AP.....     all because of the Eternal acheivement I did taking away when move map.    Bug report logged -  wonder how much AP lost due to this...

[Ari.4672]

got 2 back again do this meta lose 2..     

[Tanek.5983]

I'll admit, I don't keep track of my AP day to day. I could be losing some and never know it. That makes problems like this worry me even more. How would I ever even prove how many points I should have after all these years?

[Silver.9710]

Any official word on this?

[Joe.1839]

This issue still persists, although I do not think anyone is losing any AP, not any you should be having anyway.

After noticing of "losing" 2AP, after doing Kaineng Meta, I did some testing, and what I believe is the issue, that some repeatable achievements, that also have Tiers with AP, give more AP than they should under certain circumstances. Essentially, the Tiers still add AP, even if the achievement is already at max AP. So for example, if the "Eternal Seitung Province Meta-Event" is at max AP, and Tier 0/3 it will give exactly 3 AP total, if it is at Tier 1/3, it will give 4 AP (3 + 1 from Tier) and at Tier 2/3, it will give 5AP. The extra AP from Tiers only get added after a map change tho, and only show up on the total AP, not on the achievement itself.

The reason why some people appear to have lost some AP, is that once the Achievement is completed, it will reset back to Tier 0/3, and not give any extra AP from the Tiers, thus removing the incorrectly added AP. (again, only visible after Map change)

To reproduce:
Let's say you have 1000 AP and the "Eternal Seitung Province Meta-Event" is at max AP (3/3) and Tier 0/3.

Complete the Seitung Province Meta and swap map, you will notice you now have 1001 AP.
Completing it again, and swapping map, will result in 1002 AP.
Once you complete it a third time, the achievement will go back to Tier 0/3, and AP will reset back to 1000.

It seems like the re-calculating of AP on loading, does not respect the max AP an repeatable Achievement should be able to give, when it has multiple Tiers that give AP.

I hope this helps narrowing down the issue.

[kdc.4589]

Still happening. Once again I lost 2 AP doing the Seitung meta.  Long ago maxed out - but when you do it again your AP is taken off.  This is annoying.  Is this actually getting looked at?  Seems to have been abandoned.

[Linken.6345]

9 minutes ago, kdc.4589 said:

Still happening. Once again I lost 2 AP doing the Seitung meta.  Long ago maxed out - but when you do it again your AP is taken off.  This is annoying.  Is this actually getting looked at?  Seems to have been abandoned.

Well it did take them until last patch to fix tsunami dodger achievement mate.

[darksome.1697]

On 7/3/2022 at 7:55 PM, Joe.1839 said:

To reproduce:
Let's say you have 1000 AP and the "Eternal Seitung Province Meta-Event" is at max AP (3/3) and Tier 0/3.

Complete the Seitung Province Meta and swap map, you will notice you now have 1001 AP.
Completing it again, and swapping map, will result in 1002 AP.
Once you complete it a third time, the achievement will go back to Tier 0/3, and AP will reset back to 1000.

It seems like the re-calculating of AP on loading, does not respect the max AP an repeatable Achievement should be able to give, when it has multiple Tiers that give AP.

I hope this helps narrowing down the issue.

I wish this was how it works, but my test results differ from yours. It really subtracts AP. I've found a way to reproduce it as well, and once you see it it's pretty obvious (although I cannot understand why it subtracts 2AP, most likely a coding error):

Once a repeatable task is at max AP, you will see that they give 0AP in the first tiers, but +1AP (or +2AP for some tasks) for the final tier, even though you have maxed them out already. This is the problem. Completing any repeatable task in EoD (Seitung, Kaineng, Echovald, DE) that has been maxed, but still says it will give you +AP  will remove 2AP on map change.

At AP 1000, I did the "Eternal Seitung Province Meta-Event" when it was at Tier 1/3. It correctly states that completing it again will give me 0AP (since I have maxed it out already). Which is correct. I did not get any AP for completing it. I ported to Arborstone. Still no AP added or removed, just like it should be. Total AP 1000.

At AP 1000, I then did the "Eternal Seitung Province Meta-Event" when it was at Tier 2/3. It now states that completing it again will give me 1AP (which it shouldn't, since I have maxed it out already). Which is wrong. I did not get any AP for completing it. I ported to Arborstone. 2AP was removed. Total AP 998.

I have kept a log of my AP for a few weeks now, noting any AP increase or decrease and where it came from just to test this, and this is unfortunately my results.

Repeatable tasks that say they will give you +AP even though you have maxed them out is the problem, and these are the ones:

Seitung Province:

Eternal Purist Shenanigans

Eternal Seitung Harbor Shenanigans

Eternal Aetherblade Shenanigans

Eternal Zeitung Province Meta-Event

Eternal Troubles from the Deep

Illuminating Seitung Province

 

New Kaineng City:

Protector of Kaineng

Not In This Neighborhood

Kappa Exterminator

Harbinger of Zhaitan

Light These Streets

Reliving The Tragedy

 

Echovald Wilds:

Lighting the Echovald Wilds

Dragon's End:

Lighting Dragon's End

 

Edited July 5, 2022 by darksome.1697

[DanteMC.4308]

Shortly after reset (05/07 going on 06/07) I lost the achievement points that I wasn't meant to get from the Seitung Province Meta I did on the previous day but it ended up deducting an extra point more than it was meant to - I was at 41,002, it went to 41,006 and now I'm at 41,001. Quite frustrating considering the level of AP I am at now and even 1 AP gathered can be a grindfest sometimes. No idea why this time the system decided to deduct an extra point away when the initial points I have received past the 3 AP cap have been deducted fine without any extras. I'd like that looked into please as I don't want a repeat of this in the future.

[Justin Time.7054]

Some time has passed and I would like to know if there is any news, that is, if the problem of loss of points has been fixed or if it still exists. Since writing this post I have suspended my End of Dragons attendance and would like to start playing again.
Thank you

[jedi.7041]

The EoD losing AP bug has not been fixed. 

[Asuaka.1528]

Noticed the problem again today. Went to Kaineng with xxx36. Procced the "Kill Jade Bot" repeatable achieve twice (already at cap tho) and finished a specialisation collection. Left with xxx39 and logged off. Achievement leaderboard listed me with xxx37 for a few hours. Logged back in a few hours later (still with xxx39) and finished a pvp achiev (+5). Now still at xxx44 and leaderboard lists me with xxx44. 

Pretty sure I should have 2 AP less but honestly... I don't know anymore. Those repeatable achievements have been a buggy mess since day one so I honestly dont know whether or not I can trust the achievement panel anymore.

[Tidus.5831]

I've lost 2AP since yesterday when i logged off, today i log on and 2AP are gone. Yesterday I hit 36k and receive the chest; now i wake up with 35998.

Edited July 10, 2022 by Tidus.5831

[Silver.9710]

On 7/5/2022 at 9:00 AM, darksome.1697 said:

I wish this was how it works, but my test results differ from yours. It really subtracts AP. I've found a way to reproduce it as well, and once you see it it's pretty obvious (although I cannot understand why it subtracts 2AP, most likely a coding error):

Once a repeatable task is at max AP, you will see that they give 0AP in the first tiers, but +1AP (or +2AP for some tasks) for the final tier, even though you have maxed them out already. This is the problem. Completing any repeatable task in EoD (Seitung, Kaineng, Echovald, DE) that has been maxed, but still says it will give you +AP  will remove 2AP on map change.

At AP 1000, I did the "Eternal Seitung Province Meta-Event" when it was at Tier 1/3. It correctly states that completing it again will give me 0AP (since I have maxed it out already). Which is correct. I did not get any AP for completing it. I ported to Arborstone. Still no AP added or removed, just like it should be. Total AP 1000.

At AP 1000, I then did the "Eternal Seitung Province Meta-Event" when it was at Tier 2/3. It now states that completing it again will give me 1AP (which it shouldn't, since I have maxed it out already). Which is wrong. I did not get any AP for completing it. I ported to Arborstone. 2AP was removed. Total AP 998.

I have kept a log of my AP for a few weeks now, noting any AP increase or decrease and where it came from just to test this, and this is unfortunately my results.

Repeatable tasks that say they will give you +AP even though you have maxed them out is the problem, and these are the ones:

Seitung Province:

Eternal Purist Shenanigans

Eternal Seitung Harbor Shenanigans

Eternal Aetherblade Shenanigans

Eternal Zeitung Province Meta-Event

Eternal Troubles from the Deep

Illuminating Seitung Province

 

New Kaineng City:

Protector of Kaineng

Not In This Neighborhood

Kappa Exterminator

Harbinger of Zhaitan

Light These Streets

Reliving The Tragedy

 

Echovald Wilds:

Lighting the Echovald Wilds

Dragon's End:

Lighting Dragon's End

 

@Rubi Bayer.8493

[The Meatsack.1650]

At the beginning of July I noticed that my AP wasn't  'quite right'. After finding this thread I started taking notes of my current AP and what achievements I was completing on 7/6/22. This morning (7/14/22) when I logged into the game I found my AP was reduced by 4. This was not because of any repeatable achievement as others try to claim is causing the problem. For veteran players, AP is a source of pride and status. Losing AP makes our efforts seem futile.

Edited July 14, 2022 by The Meatsack.1650