7th November balance patch did not solve anything for PvE

[cryorion.9532]

This thread applies for PvE only.

• cPS is now obsolete, there is no reason to use cPS for might stacking in raids anymore
• there is no reason to use max dps condi warrior (not banner cdps warrior) because other classes can bring higher dps
• power warrior is STILL a bad joke, not even close to be competetive with other power/condi dps classes, why giving us 33% 5 sec buff and axe buffs, when it did not change anythingI think there was enough feedback for how to improve power warrior, completely ignored.
• daggers are joke, less target cap than axe, and damage difference is beyond tragical, daggers should be the king of single target enemies in terms of dps obviously
• SB still useless in PvE

I don't get this. It feels like the feedback from people actually playing warrior class was completely ignored. And there is not even a word from balancing team about the ideology of current and future warrior class in PvE. Worst thing is, that now, we will be stuck with this nonsense for another 3 months. Disappointment and I believe it is righteous.

[Mikeskies.1536]

@cryorion.9532 said:This thread applies for PvE only.

• cPS is now obsolete, there is no reason to use cPS for might stacking in raids anymore
• there is no reason to use max dps condi warrior (not banner cdps warrior) because other classes can bring higher dps
• power warrior is STILL a bad joke, not even close to be competetive with other power/condi dps classes, why giving us 33% 5 sec buff and axe buffs, when it did not change anythingI think there was enough feedback for how to improve power warrior, completely ignored.
• daggers are joke, less target cap than axe, and damage difference is beyond tragical, daggers should be the king of single target enemies in terms of dps obviously
• SB still useless in PvE

I don't get this. It feels like the feedback from people actually playing warrior class was completely ignored. And there is not even a word from balancing team about the ideology of current and future warrior class in PvE. Worst thing is, that now, we will be stuck with this nonsense for another 3 months. Disappointment and I believe it is righteous.

A lot of DPS builds were levelled to 30k DPS (and under), which is where banner cDPS Berserker is. Max DPS condition Berserker can probably pull off 32k DPS. Only Weaver and Soulbeast are probably higher. Power Warrior will never be viable in PvE unless they somehow add in a 50% multiplier.

[cryorion.9532]

Lol, Mirage says hi.

[Mikeskies.1536]

@cryorion.9532 said:Lol, Mirage says hi.

That clone Mirage build is going to get bug-fixed. Fencer's Finesse is bugged and Mirage is getting double confusion stacks inside hit boxes. The QTFY Mirage build is around 30k DPS.

[TheSlothArmada.6709]

@cryorion.9532 said:Lol, Mirage says hi.

Mirage isn't even close to being as shit as power warrior in PVE

[Mikeskies.1536]

@TheSlothArmada.6709 said:

@cryorion.9532 said:Lol, Mirage says hi.

Mirage isn't even close to being as kitten as power warrior in PVE

Mirage has a bugged clone build pulling 40k DPS.

[cryorion.9532]

Yes, if it is bug, then it wil get fixed soon.Also, yes. It is kinda challenging to make power warrior high level PvE viable because it would be whether buffing single hit damages to sky or adding more aoes with hard hitting damage, aka Dragonhunter.The most sad thing is, that it has been a long time, since power warrior got some true love :(Changes we got yesterday, did not change anything.

[OriOri.8724]

@Mikeskies.1536 said:

@TheSlothArmada.6709 said:

@cryorion.9532 said:Lol, Mirage says hi.

Mirage isn't even close to being as kitten as power warrior in PVE

Mirage has a bugged clone build pulling 40k DPS.

Keyword bugged. The DPS of that same build and rotation will be much lower if and when that bug is fixed. Its still a good DPS build, but its not hitting 40k

[Samurro.1463]

What a stupid thread, daggers should be highest single target dps? Why? Because your WoW rogue does most damage to single targets or what? SB is useless in PvE? Uhm yea sure, lemme see you doing Metas in HoT without a shield.

Joke thread.

[CeeJ.3752]

@Samurro.1463 said:What a stupid thread, daggers should be highest single target dps? Why? Because your WoW rogue does most damage to single targets or what? SB is useless in PvE? Uhm yea sure, lemme see you doing Metas in HoT without a shield.

Joke thread.Uhh.. Your reasoning does not make any sense. I have not tested recently (spell breaker) but max DPS (Damage Per SECOND) for spell breaker is 23k. for a damage spec? Thats completely garbage and that 23k came from axe/dagger and GS. When we say builds are useless in PvE, It means that its useless for high level gameplay aka Raids and high level fractals, not child's play meta events lol.

[cryorion.9532]

@Samurro.1463 said:What a stupid thread, daggers should be highest single target dps? Why? Because your WoW rogue does most damage to single targets or what? SB is useless in PvE? Uhm yea sure, lemme see you doing Metas in HoT without a shield.

Joke thread.

I have never played WoW.Do you even play warrior? Because if you were, you would understand. Now please, if you have nothing to say to the topic, go away.I stand behind my points and if you disagree, too bad for you.

[James Rustler.7860]

@cryorion.9532 said:

I don't get this. It feels like the feedback from people actually playing warrior class was completely ignored.

It seems to me that they did take it into consideration--otherwise, they wouldn't have been able to make all the wrong changes so effectively.

[Valik Shin.9027]

Cps is still a thing. There is still nothing that can beat them at might stacking, buffing and dps all at the same time. That's not to say things won't change (different armor/runes/sigils) but it's still a thing

[SrebX.6498]

@cryorion.9532 said:

• power warrior is STILL a bad joke, not even close to be competetive with other power/condi dps classes, why giving us 33% 5 sec buff and axe buffs, when it did not change anything>Not that I don't agree with you, but do you have any sources for this statement? any fact checking?Again, not as a criticism, but Im interested what new Benchmarks can Axe achieve

[TheSlothArmada.6709]

@SrebX.6498 said:

@cryorion.9532 said:

• power warrior is STILL a bad joke, not even close to be competetive with other power/condi dps classes, why giving us 33% 5 sec buff and axe buffs, when it did not change anything>Not that I don't agree with you, but do you have any sources for this statement? any fact checking?Again, not as a criticism, but Im interested what new Benchmarks can Axe achieve

Dude, just think about it.A straight 33% buff wouldn't even get power warrior anywhere, let alone one that lasts 5 seconds and is hard to maintain.

[cryorion.9532]

@SrebX.6498 said:

@cryorion.9532 said:

• power warrior is STILL a bad joke, not even close to be competetive with other power/condi dps classes, why giving us 33% 5 sec buff and axe buffs, when it did not change anything>Not that I don't agree with you, but do you have any sources for this statement? any fact checking?Again, not as a criticism, but Im interested what new Benchmarks can Axe achieve

Yes. I did brief tests in special forces arena and I come to consclusion that axe 5th skill deals more damage than 100b and that average dps it is still far from being competetive with other dps classes.

[Samurro.1463]

@cryorion.9532 said:

@Samurro.1463 said:What a stupid thread, daggers should be highest single target dps? Why? Because your WoW rogue does most damage to single targets or what? SB is useless in PvE? Uhm yea sure, lemme see you doing Metas in HoT without a shield.

Joke thread.

I have never played WoW.Do you even play warrior? Because if you were, you would understand. Now please, if you have nothing to say to the topic, go away.I stand behind my points and if you disagree, too bad for you.

Nice attitude, what kind of world do you live in, everybody who disagrees with your opinion should not talk to you? How old are you?

Thanks for confirming the usefullness of this topic.

[cryorion.9532]

@cryorion.9532 said:

@Samurro.1463 said:What a stupid thread, daggers should be highest single target dps? Why? Because your WoW rogue does most damage to single targets or what? SB is useless in PvE? Uhm yea sure, lemme see you doing Metas in HoT without a shield.

Joke thread.

I have never played WoW.Do you even play warrior? Because if you were, you would understand. Now please, if you have nothing to say to the topic, go away.I stand behind my points and if you disagree, too bad for you.

Nice attitude, what kind of world do you live in, everybody who disagrees with your opinion should not talk to you? How old are you?

Thanks for confirming the usefullness of this topic.

Anything else? There is no reason to call this thread joke, you sound like warrior hater lol. Sad low quality troll I guess?If you have opinion based on actually playing warrior in high level PvE, please elaborate, why do you think my points are invalid and that this thread is joke.

[ADTempys.6382]

If they want to make power war good (they dont give a fuck) they have to buff GS and traits, and stop buffing axe.

Spellbreaker might still be good but icebow nerf hits spellbreake's place kinda hard as spamming alacrity to get the IB cd isnt as good as it used to (and low damage makes it happen anyway)

Its a very bad patch for war, Its basicly there exclusively for banners.

[cryorion.9532]

Well, I think they should add more and higher damage modifiers in strength and discipline traitlines, so they can stack and have higher uptime. I would love the new power dps warrior to weapon swap constantly for max dps, like it was before HoT elite specialisations. I would also suggest buffing daggers (especially autoattack) to be on par with axes or even better. Similar applies to greatsword, which should be buffed too. (as this is thread about PvE, I will not discuss buffing others weapons and stuff for PvP)

With PS trait before nerf, I kinda found greatsword to be mainly "support" weapon, to generate might while still having relatively good damage. Now when the PS trait is obsolete (if the new party composition is used), taking axe/axe dps berserker with banners can probably output higher burst dps in short time than greatsword. In high level PvE though, there is no reason to use power warrior in 99% scenarios.

I can imagine 2 power dps builds: 1st is axe/axe berserker and 2nd is dagger/dagger spellbreaker.1st has access to very strong crowd control abilitiesand 2nd has access to boon strip (which is sadly most of the time useless in pve), but has elite skill that can be buffed (my suggestion is adding to it damage modifier for everyone standing inside, 10 allies cap, and lowering its CD) and grandmaster trait megabane tether, which can be also changed from instead pulsing might to some kind of special enemy debuff. Maybe even give both SB elite skill and megabane tether ability to apply this special debuff on enemies inside the bubble and it will stack. Maybe the damage modifier could apply only to direct damage, not condition damage, which could open new ways of how to compose raid squads with less condition builds.This probably look overtuned, but they are just ideas, suggestions. It all depends on how high those damage modifiers and debuffs are.