Make more mount skins obtainable in game.

[zealex.9410]

I understand anet wants to make money and im all in for supporting anet with purchases. But id be more inclined to and hapy if i could get a decent looking mount in game. Half of the adoption mounts or even 1 of each mount type could easily be added in game as unique breeds in diff areas of the world. I also believe due to the massive backclash and negative publicity this has all the more reason to happen even if very rarely.

This also goes to all kinds of places. "how come we can get 30 diff mounts so fast and an armor set will take 8months" how come gliders didnt come in these amounts" "why is there so much gambling included with mounts alone"

[WARIORSCHARGEING.2637]

this is why i did not nor will i ever buy skins at all . unless i use gold from the game only . far as skins go they are very useless not much point to them oh they look nice and all. but a new glider or new mount new armor different story. but that is what the player base wanted back then and now we are stuck with them .

[zealex.9410]

@WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 said:this is why i did not nor will i ever buy skins at all . unless i use gold from the game only . far as skins go they are very useless not much point to them oh they look nice and all. but a new glider or new mount new armor different story. but that is what the player base wanted back then and now we are stuck with them .

Im sure the player base didnt want this bloated rng fest. They are cosmetics and i can apreciate them for that.

[zealex.9410]

Its even more frustrating when you can dye the effects on the jackal mount while the legendary armor still has that non dyeable white glow. urgh

[WARIORSCHARGEING.2637]

@zealex.9410 said:

@WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 said:this is why i did not nor will i ever buy skins at all . unless i use gold from the game only . far as skins go they are very useless not much point to them oh they look nice and all. but a new glider or new mount new armor different story. but that is what the player base wanted back then and now we are stuck with them .

Im sure the player base didnt want this bloated rng fest. They are cosmetics and i can apreciate them for that.

the part about RNG no i do not think they would have wanted it as well BUT when it came to SKINS well i think that is where they lost their minds. it was as if they just saw that first skin and that was it to them . i honestly do not think it ever hit them hey why not make more of these and not go the SKINS route . but yeah they never got that one. but at least i am happy they got this idea. and hope it burns their bacon so badly. well maybe it bring about a good change MAYBE

[JustTrogdor.7892]

Mount skins are the new Anet cash cow. Why do you think they spent the development cost on mounts to start with? To sell more copies of the expansion and sell the skins. As much as people want to believe that Anet is our friend, they are not. They are a subsidiary of NCsoft. NCsoft is responsible for reporting to their share holders. Their goal is to make as much money as possible while spending as little as possible to do so. Just like most businesses. Sure there are probably a lot of passionate members of the Anet staff that love what they do and love it when players like what they do, but at the end of the day the people making the major decisions are interested in how much money the game can earn from you. Their jobs most likely depend on it.

Maybe we will see a few mount skins earned by game play due to the backlash from the recent RNG thing as some sort of apology. But I wouldn't count on it or seeing even a few available for free through game play. Example: How many glider skins are obtainable in game?

[WARIORSCHARGEING.2637]

@JustTrogdor.7892 said:Mount skins are an Anet cash cow. Why do you think they spent the development cost on mounts to start with? To sell more copies of the expansion and sell the skins. As much as people want to believe that Anet is our friend, they are not. They are a subsidiary of NCsoft. NCsoft is responsible for reporting to their share holders. Their goal is to make as much money as possible while spending as little as possible to do so. Just like most businesses. Sure there are probably a lot of passionate members of the Anet staff that love what they do and love it when players like what they do, but at the end of the day the people making the major decisions are interested in how much money the game can earn.

Maybe we will see a few mount skins earned by game play due to the backlash from the recent RNG thing. But I wouldn't count on seeing many. How many glider skins are obtainable in game?

maybe that is why things are still broken in the game since it came out and get doss attacks a lot.

[zealex.9410]

@JustTrogdor.7892 said:Mount skins are the new Anet cash cow. Why do you think they spent the development cost on mounts to start with? To sell more copies of the expansion and sell the skins. As much as people want to believe that Anet is our friend, they are not. They are a subsidiary of NCsoft. NCsoft is responsible for reporting to their share holders. Their goal is to make as much money as possible while spending as little as possible to do so. Just like most businesses. Sure there are probably a lot of passionate members of the Anet staff that love what they do and love it when players like what they do, but at the end of the day the people making the major decisions are interested in how much money the game can earn. Their jobs most likely depend on it.

Maybe we will see a few mount skins earned by game play due to the backlash from the recent RNG thing. But I wouldn't count on seeing many. How many glider skins are obtainable in game?

Nobody saying anet is our friend or mounts werent made to make them money. I merely question the way they sell them.

[Cantatus.4065]

I think if we could obtain some mounts in game, the backlash against the mount licenses would've been a lot less. The way they've set it up, our only option to get a new mount skin is to either pay $20+ (for the Halloween pack or the Reforged) or $5 for a random shot at getting the one you want (which likely means spending much more than that if you're really determined). Not only that, but the default mounts are the least customizable ones they've added to the game, with a fourth of the dye channels of what some of the bought ones have. If we had more ways of obtaining mounts, some of which were through big quests in the game or even rare drops, the RNG system wouldn't stick out quite as much.

And yes, I know Anet is out to make money and I fully support them doing that, but part of making money is keeping customers around since you need them to buy things. One of the ways of doing that is giving players enough carrots to keep their interest. Right now, one of the primary complaints about PoF is it doesn't seem like there's enough to do compared to HoT. Having some way of earning mount skins could go a long ways towards rectifying that. Even being able to unlock more dye channels would be an improvement. Basically, give us some variety in how to get them.

[JustTrogdor.7892]

@zealex.9410 said:

@JustTrogdor.7892 said:Mount skins are the new Anet cash cow. Why do you think they spent the development cost on mounts to start with? To sell more copies of the expansion and sell the skins. As much as people want to believe that Anet is our friend, they are not. They are a subsidiary of NCsoft. NCsoft is responsible for reporting to their share holders. Their goal is to make as much money as possible while spending as little as possible to do so. Just like most businesses. Sure there are probably a lot of passionate members of the Anet staff that love what they do and love it when players like what they do, but at the end of the day the people making the major decisions are interested in how much money the game can earn. Their jobs most likely depend on it.

Maybe we will see a few mount skins earned by game play due to the backlash from the recent RNG thing. But I wouldn't count on seeing many. How many glider skins are obtainable in game?

Nobody saying anet is our friend or mounts werent made to make them money. I merely question the way they sell them.

Same way as glider skins, through gems. Maybe we will see a few mount skins like the glider skin that comes with the legendary Ad Infinitum, but I'm not sure if that is what you are looking for by being earned in game. Maybe a few more mount skins thrown in to BLCs? I mention the friend thing because one thing I noticed while reading member posts is that many people seem to think that Anet really cares about them on an individual level and they now feel betrayed. As a business I'm sure Anet cares about their image, but often I get the impression people think Anet owes them something because they feel some bond with Anet. A feeling that just because some staff members talk about how much they love the community that means it isn't really about the money at the end of the day.

I have a favorite restaurant I follow and they often post messages about how much they love their customers. It's all PR and marketing. They could start serving moldy bread with a side of water and as long as enough people buy it they will still say how much they love their customers.

[Hyper Cutter.9376]

They really should add some of them (like the ones that are just recolors of the default skin) as in-game rewards from actual PoF content.

Failing that, they could give you a mount adoption license when you go through the PoF story, the same way you got black lion keys from the personal/HoT stories.

[Erasculio.2914]

See, this is where the past comes back to haunt us. People didn't complain (enough) that all glider skins were either in the Gem Store or in legendary backpieces that weren't there when HoT was released. Now, don't expect mounts to be any different - there's the precedent for the community being ok with it.

[zealex.9410]

@JustTrogdor.7892 said:Mount skins are the new Anet cash cow. Why do you think they spent the development cost on mounts to start with? To sell more copies of the expansion and sell the skins. As much as people want to believe that Anet is our friend, they are not. They are a subsidiary of NCsoft. NCsoft is responsible for reporting to their share holders. Their goal is to make as much money as possible while spending as little as possible to do so. Just like most businesses. Sure there are probably a lot of passionate members of the Anet staff that love what they do and love it when players like what they do, but at the end of the day the people making the major decisions are interested in how much money the game can earn. Their jobs most likely depend on it.

Maybe we will see a few mount skins earned by game play due to the backlash from the recent RNG thing. But I wouldn't count on seeing many. How many glider skins are obtainable in game?

Nobody saying anet is our friend or mounts werent made to make them money. I merely question the way they sell them.> @Erasculio.2914 said:

See, this is where the past comes back to haunt us. People didn't complain (enough) that all glider skins were either in the Gem Store or in legendary backpieces that weren't there when HoT was released. Now, don't expect mounts to be any different - there's the precedent for the community being ok with it.

nah there were gliders that you could get ingame. The purpose of this is that if they are so capable of dishing out mountss it would make ppl more open on buying them if there were options ingame as well. And partially to rant about the lootboxes.

[Ohoni.6057]

I hesitate to say this, because I dislike the concept of RNG loot boxes for mount skins, but, there might be a reasonable compromise on this issue. That would be, take the 30 skins, and divide them into three categories, "common," "rare," and "exotic." The commons would be the ones very mundane and similar to the defaults, the rares would be ones that are a bit fancier but not the absolute flashiest, and the exotics would be one skin per breed, the fanciest of the fancy.

Then, make it so that all the common skins can be found in game, relatively easily, simple grinds, achievable drops, multiple methods each, something where any players that really made any effort at all they could collect all of them within a few weeks to a couple months of casual play, tops.

Then make it so that the rares can also be earned in-game, but they would be harder, they would be more akin to the Griffon quest in terms of effort (although presumably a bit more straightforward, since setting up such a thing would be a lot of work on their end), but basically players who are actively pursuing them could collect each of them about as fast as fully unlocking a griffon.

Then the Exotics would only be available via the gem store, but see, since you can't get duplicates, this gives the player two options, option 1: just buy up to 30 gem store crates to RNG unlock everything, or option 2: earn as many of them as possible via the ingame methods, which would take much longer, but at the end of that process you could unlock all five exotic mounts for a maximum of 2000 gems, or stand a 1:5 change of pulling a specific one you wanted on the first pull, rather than 1:30. This provides a reasonable balance between P2W and earning items ingame.

A mobile game I play recently had a similar mechanism, in which they had various "collection achievement" style quests, like the Griffon quests, in which some of the objectives required you to have very strong characters already, others had hard time locks that would take weeks (like complete 30 achievements that could only be done once per day), etc., and players had the option to grind out any of these that they wanted, but they could also just buy-out the remaining options with currency. You could clear it on day one for a relatively large amount of money, or grind it out entirely over a month, or just do the portions that were relatively easy and only spend a portion of the total amount to clear out the rest. It's a surprisingly reasonable balance and feels a lot better than pure RNG does.

Again, I would prefer to be able to just buy them all straight for gems, 1:1, but if that's not something they want to do, this at least makes it a bit more reasonable and ties it better back into the game.

tl;dr: make it so that most of the current skins can be earned in game, but the rarest are gem store only, unlocking the easier ones would increase your RNG odds for getting the best ones.

[Illconceived Was Na.9781]

There's one outfit that can be earned via in-game currency. A couple of gliders that are earned with backpack collections, so why not a few mount skins?

I can't imagine that they'd release "most" skins in the game and I don't really agree that it's necessary or even important. But having a couple? Sure, why not?

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Mind you, this doesn't address any of the other concerns (reasonable or not) about the cash shop; it just seems like a good thing to do for the game, regardless of what is or isn't in the gem shop.

[Sartharina.3542]

These contracts should have been added as random drops from Bounties, Events, Treasure Chests, and Map Completion caches, with the "Recolor" skins being rewards for the mount achievements (Reins of the Raptor et all)

[PopeUrban.2578]

@WARIORSCHARGEING.2637 said:this is why i did not nor will i ever buy skins at all . unless i use gold from the game only . far as skins go they are very useless not much point to them oh they look nice and all. but a new glider or new mount new armor different story. but that is what the player base wanted back then and now we are stuck with them .

You are simply paying other players in gold to spend their money, and by doing so encouraging this behavior as Anet still gets more benefit from selling rng cash shop boxes than actually putting rewards in the game and selling their expansions for 60 bucks.

"Only spending gold" on the results of tradable rng gambling items or on gem conversion still reinforces the profit model of rng gambling and selling overpriced skins because someone along the line had to whip out a credit card.

If something seems too expensive to buy with gems, remember that when you buy it with gold, it is still being sold for the actual cash value, and you are still sending a message that that price point and acquisition method is acceptable.

[TexZero.7910]

Content Rich expansion, if by content what you mean is.... Credit Card Game reward structure.

I'd like more Rich content in the game and unique rewards able to be earned, is this too much to ask from a video game anymore ?

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