Performance Issues with high-end PC

[Majin.6471]

By no means, Do I have alot of knowledge about PC stuff, My brother on the otherhand, is a IT worker and helped my build a very good PC, And obviously I expected to run this game smoothly (its 10 years old) on the highest settings, but I reach like 60-70 FPS just open world. While that may look good to others, I also play alot of other MMO's that DO look better, where I easily have 100+. Now this isnt a big bother for me, But im more curious to know WHY my pc has more issues here then other MMO's.
My specs are as follow>...
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
RAM: 32.0GB 
Motherboard:  ROG STRIX X570-E GAMING (AM4)
Graphic Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 
 

[KrHome.1920]

GW2 is CPU intense in terms of single core performance.

This leads to: Your 3080 is irrelevant. Your 32GB Ram are irrelevant, your 12 CPU cores are irrelevant.

And the single core performance of your 3900X is mediocre at best - it's comparable to Intel Skylake from 2015. Your fps are as expected. In fact the game would run faster on a modern 6 core CPU with a weaker graphics card, just because the single core performance would be better.

You can improve your performance greatly by lowering CPU related settings like shadow quality, reflections and character quality/limit.

Edited July 8, 2022 by KrHome.1920

[Zaviamoon.4569]

I have 3 computers 2 are high end but my old one well its old lol, I have messed with Graphics options a lot to get things just right for me.  You can try what my settings are on high end computers first here they are.  Under Graphics Options Advanced settings try these. Animation-High, Antialiasing-None, Environment-High, LOD Distance -High, Reflections- Terrain & Sky, Textures-High, Render Sampling-Native, Shadows-Low, Shaders- Medium, Post Processing-None, Character Model Limit- Medium, Character Model Quality-Medium. And out of the seven boxes to put a check mark in only put a check mark in Effect LOD nothing else. I get between 250-300 FPS on average.  If you still have crappy FPS, then make these changes which are what I use on older PC. Put environment on medium instead of high and LOD distance on either medium or low instead of high and character model and character quality both on low instead of medium. Hope this helps you. On my high-end pc's I can play with everything maxed out, but I do not like the way things look and it does affect FPS a lot and I like doing world bosses and the setting I use I still have great FPS no matter what I am doing in game.

 

 

Edited July 8, 2022 by wolfsbayne.2653

[Majin.6471]

KrHome.1920 

So is there a reason why GW2 is so CPU intense in terms of single core performance? 
And do they plan on maybe optimizing/changing a few settings, or will it stay like this?

Edited July 8, 2022 by Majin.6471

[Majin.6471]

And thanks alot wolfsbayne.2643
I adjusted alot of the settings, and without much difference in terms of look, FPS drastically increased.

[Majin.6471]

Got around 120 fps now with the new settings.

Edited July 8, 2022 by Majin.6471

[KrHome.1920]

1 hour ago, Majin.6471 said:

KrHome.1920 

So is there a reason why GW2 is so CPU intense in terms of single core performance? 
And do they plan on maybe optimizing/changing a few settings, or will it stay like this?

I guess it's for two reasons:

1.: Due to being extremely old, the engine is not very well optimized for CPU multithreading. It's based on DX9 and in the DX9 times, CPUs had one or two cores. The DX11 mode improved this significantly (you should definitely set that checkbox in the graphics options!), but there is also Nr 2: 

GW2 is very heavy in game logic, which you can not scale infinitely across multiple cores. GW2 uses up to 6 CPU cores, which is not too terrible for such an old engine. There is a lot going on in bigger fights (aoe damage, aoe healing,  boons, conditions, draw calls etc. for 50  or more players). This is not comparable to - for example - a multiplayer shooter, where you have a bit of hit detection and damage calculation across a few players at the same spot.

55 minutes ago, Majin.6471 said:

Got around 120 fps now with the new settings.

👍

[AIex.4105]

On 7/8/2022 at 5:43 AM, Majin.6471 said:

By no means, Do I have alot of knowledge about PC stuff, My brother on the otherhand, is a IT worker and helped my build a very good PC, And obviously I expected to run this game smoothly (its 10 years old) on the highest settings, but I reach like 60-70 FPS just open world. While that may look good to others, I also play alot of other MMO's that DO look better, where I easily have 100+. Now this isnt a big bother for me, But im more curious to know WHY my pc has more issues here then other MMO's.
My specs are as follow>...
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
RAM: 32.0GB 
Motherboard:  ROG STRIX X570-E GAMING (AM4)
Graphic Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 
 

yup if you did had any knowledge about PC stuff, you would know by now that AMD CPUS have many cores but low performance ones and in all games with many units per screen like MMORPGS or RTS you need raw single core power, your 12 cores are usless. Switch to intel to have single core performance.

Edited July 13, 2022 by AIex.4105

[KrHome.1920]

10 hours ago, AIex.4105 said:

yup if you did had any knowledge about PC stuff, you would know by now that AMD CPUS have many cores but low performance ones and in all games with many units per screen like MMORPGS or RTS you need raw single core power, your 12 cores are usless. Switch to intel to have single core performance.

Your knowledge is from 2017 (= outdated). AMDs single core performance looks like this.

Ryzen 1000 = Intel 4000

Ryzen 2000 (only 5% faster than Ryzen 1000)

Ryzen 3000 = Intel 6000

Ryzen 5000 = Intel 12000

Ryzen 5800X3D = Intel 12900KS (even in THE single core game Starcraft 2, both CPUs are equally fast)

You won't notice any performance difference when you compare GW2 on a Ryzen 5 5600X and a Core i5 12400F (both actual 200 dollar CPUs).

Edited July 13, 2022 by KrHome.1920

[VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.]

except that AMD single core performance is actually quite good with the 5XXX series. And even was decent with 3XXX series.

Also please keep in mind that Intel has a security flaw with severe performance degrading fixes discovered roughly every 4 weeks.

So basically all those 'intel is awesome' benchmarks whenever the cpu was launched are null and void. AMD has a lot less problems in that regard.

Btw, I don't know about MS Windows, but in Linux you can turn those mitigations off for some extra fps.  

[Crystal Test.5620]

I got AMD 7 3700X and AMD 6750XT. I have around 110fps and my settings are all maxed except I turned of the reflections to none since that screws up the images. Reflections also take up about 10fps, so with it on I have around 95fps+ . Your pc should get get a bit more fps than me. Maybe driver updates?

[mercury ranique.2170]

so much debate over semantics. Can we please stay focussed on the OP's questions?

 

On 7/8/2022 at 9:58 PM, Majin.6471 said:

KrHome.1920 

So is there a reason why GW2 is so CPU intense in terms of single core performance? 
And do they plan on maybe optimizing/changing a few settings, or will it stay like this?

afaik, there has never been stated a real reason and it might have happened by accident. GW1 was one of the earlier MMO's on the market and helped shape the market. One of the big selling points was that you do not need to have a high end gaming PC to give it a try. I played GW1 on an old work laptop with intel integrated GPU and it was a nice experience. If you now buy a 500 dollar laptop, you can play GW2 very decently.  That is the reason why GW2 leans more on the CPU then the GPU compared to other games. It is also why high end PC's matter less then with games that rely more on GPU. 

As for the reason why it is intense in terms of single core performance. This requires a bit of basic understanding of computing.  John von Neumann was the inventor of the most used computer architecture and. Basically he described the way data input and output is handled by a memory and a CPU. A lot has changed since then, but you still need an input device, an output device memory and central processing.  This is the flow of data. action leads to reaction. So when you enter a command in GW2 (input) is must be handled as a single entity by your computer, not matter how complex it is. Otherwise it would not know what input goes with what output and the flow is wrong. In other words. Any program can only run on a single core. There are exceptions to this rule as it is not always clear what makes a program (e.g. the tradepost runs on chromium, which is basically a modified webbrowser within the game and can run on a different core).

They recently released DX11 support (beta) In a blogpost they also mentioned this is a start of optimising things more. But keep in mind that they will always have to deal with the basic priciples of the computer architecture. So shifting the focus from CPU to GPU will only happen if they are willing to rule out some lower end systems As the business model of GW2 is based on new sales, I doubt this will happen.