Now that Thief perma-stealthing has been taken care of...

[anduriell.6280]

1 minute ago, Sahne.6950 said:

you are literally trolling are you? I linked you the literal metabattle.com build... what do you even want? i think i found the first ever guy to mute in this forums....

My apologies I thought you were the one having a laugh at my expenses, otherwise why would you use that meme of a website. 

[Sahne.6950]

2 minutes ago, anduriell.6280 said:

My apologies I thought you were the one having a laugh at my expenses, otherwise why would you use that meme of a website. 

im just literally confused if you are real here or not...

you keep throwing around false facts like ranger getting 1 second of prot instead of 2.

but just one sentencelater you insult us that we dont get our facts right.... im just internally confused here...

i used to website to show you what build im talking about, without having to build it on gw2.skills

Edited July 13, 2022 by Sahne.6950

[anduriell.6280]

6 minutes ago, Sahne.6950 said:

im just literally confused if you are real here or not? you keep throwing around false facts like ranger getting 1 second of prot instead of 2. but 1 second later you insult us that we dont get our facts right.... im just internally confused here...

Oh you are getting hung up on 1s difference now, uh? Just admit it, you are using memebatle and the wiki to defend your position and as I said that is fine. It just does not provide a realistic feedback. 

What you are trying to say is you dislike rangers. That is fine too , most of the devs do too. 

Look, have you met any GS/Axe storm spirit remorseless soulbeast yet? I am wondering if ranger mains have caught up to the build yet now that the boons are pulsing from the ranger and not the spirit. 

Edited July 13, 2022 by anduriell.6280

[Sahne.6950]

41 minutes ago, anduriell.6280 said:

Oh you are getting hung up on 1s difference now, uh? Just admit it, you are using memebatle and the wiki to defend your position and as I said that is fine. It just does not provide a realistic feedback. 

What you are trying to say is you dislike rangers. That is fine too , most of the devs do too. 

Look, have you met any GS/Axe storm spirit remorseless soulbeast yet? I am wondering if ranger mains have caught up to the build yet now that the boons are pulsing from the ranger and not the spirit. 

im not hung up solely on that 1 s... im also hung up on that 3 seconds / every 20 seconds... which was nonsense aswell... followed by you telling us that we are 0megaKeK´s that get their informations solely from the wiki without ever touching the class...   I just think its weird that EVERYSINGLE FACT about ranger that you wrote in the last 30 minutes... is just outright wrong... yet you are telling us that we have no clue...   and if we point it out to you.... we are "hung up" on something... yeah 10/10 troll.

i have been passionately maining ranger for 5 years until i started multiclassing..... i was comfortably sitting in p1-2 with soulbeast only since, idk forever kinda.....

i have most of my playtime on ranger without a doubt and my ranger is approaching his 10. birthday... im pretty sure my feedback is realistic and not just based upon the wiki.. but hey... your just trying to troll anyways so you can feel lucky! you are the first and only person on my mutelist! gz!

Edited July 13, 2022 by Sahne.6950

[Abyssisis.3971]

3 hours ago, Sleepwalker.1398 said:

^^ i don't know what meds this ranger main is on, but i'll take some.

Edit: I was replying to a post about owp with 5 procs and what i got hit by few times recently when i saw my combat log. So i have no idea where the wiki bit comes into play.

If you reread what I said, I say one wolf pack will only proc 5 times with rapidfire. If you use quickness, I’m pretty sure you reduce the number of owp procs from rapidfire due to completing the skill 50% quicker which allows for less intervals and delay strikes.

If you are getting hit by hunters calls and rapidfire at the same time, you are still only proccing owp every .5 of a second.

3 hours ago, Sahne.6950 said:

excuse me? sir? are you alright? have you ever played the build that he just told you about?

with the doomhorn build the most proccs i have gotten out of a single owp was 21 ticks. just saying...

21 out of 24 possible hits is pretty good with lotp owp…did the target die before you could get that last proc? Lol

Edited July 13, 2022 by Abyssisis.3971
24 not 22

[Sahne.6950]

7 minutes ago, Abyssisis.3971 said:

21 out of 22 possible hits is pretty good with lotp owp…did the target die before you could get that last proc? Lol

was a Reaper in pvp. Shroud->hpbar->downstate->death. Yeah he died before i could get more hits... He only managed to survive everything cuz i had weakness on me 😄 I was using the Doomhorn build, its specifically made to squeeze every tiny bit out of OWP 😄

you can get more than 22 hits out of OWP... amirite?  8 seconds with 4 possiblehits every second. 8x4=32 lets say that the first 2 hits will never happen, cuz you need some time to cast your skills.... about~ 30 should be possible... ON PAPER.

Edited July 13, 2022 by Sahne.6950

[anduriell.6280]

16 minutes ago, Sahne.6950 said:

you can get more than 22 hits out of OWP... amirite?  8 seconds with 4 possiblehits every second. 8x4=32 lets say that the first 2 hits will never happen, cuz you need some time to cast your skills.... about~ 30 should be possible... ON PAPER.

Just smol correction: you can get up to 12 seconds of owp. In a 0.5ish interval if you squeeze every inch of the skill you should be able to trigger 24 times. 

The .25 is not correct either thus I don't advise peeps to use the wiki as a gospel. What you can do is to cast the hunters call and then rapid fire (without quickness) then maybe you can get the most of the ~.5 interval. 

It's been very long time since I've seen a reaper or a necro in general in a build other than the eternal shroud  one, I guess NA is just different. 

Edited July 13, 2022 by anduriell.6280

[Abyssisis.3971]

20 minutes ago, Sahne.6950 said:

was a Reaper in pvp. Shroud->hpbar->downstate->death. Yeah he died before i could get more hits... He only managed to survive everything cuz i had weakness on me 😄 I was using the Doomhorn build, its specifically made to squeeze every tiny bit out of OWP 😄

you can get more than 22 hits out of OWP... amirite?  8 seconds with 4 possiblehits every second. 8x4=32 lets say that the first 2 hits will never happen, cuz you need some time to cast your skills.... about~ 30 should be possible... ON PAPER.

You are calculating according to the tool tip which unless anet has fixed it, isn’t how the interaction with the interval and strike delay works in game. I reported it in the ranger forum awhile back, which anduriell submitted to the bug forum.

From memory, when you first hit with a skill after using owp, you have a .25 sec strike delay for the damage, which then goes into its .25 interval, before another .25 second strike delay, effectively becoming .5 secs between owp procs.

Which makes lotp owp able to inflict 24 possible hits over 12 seconds at wvw, and only 14/15 in pvp.
 

But feel free to post a screenshot showing your combat logs showing 10 owp from a rapid fire, no quickness. Just click owp and rapidfire. I can only manage 5.

 

edit anduriell is correct, 24 procs, not 22. My bad I failed maths lol

Edited July 13, 2022 by Abyssisis.3971

[Sahne.6950]

6 minutes ago, Abyssisis.3971 said:

You are calculating according to the tool tip which unless anet has fixed it, isn’t how the interaction with the interval and strike delay works in game. I reported it in the ranger forum awhile back, which anduriell submitted to the bug forum.

From memory, when you first hit with a skill after using owp, you have a .25 sec strike delay for the damage, which then goes into its .25 interval, before another .25 second strike delay, effectively becoming .5 secs between owp procs.

Which makes lotp owp able to inflict 22 possible hits over 12 seconds at wow, and only 14/15 in pvp.
 

 

flippin anet and their tooltips:D

then i indeed almost hit the maximum possible ammounts of hits! (it was back in early 2019 before they nerfed lotp)

Edited July 13, 2022 by Sahne.6950

[Abyssisis.3971]

Just now, Sahne.6950 said:

flippin anet and their tooltips:D

then i indeed almost hit the maximum possible ammounts of hits! (it was back in early 2019 before they nerfed lotp)

If owp worked according to the tooltip, owp was cause a lot more salt than it currently does lol

[Sahne.6950]

Just now, Abyssisis.3971 said:

If owp worked according to the tooltip, owp was cause a lot more salt than it currently does lol

is that even possible tho? 😂

the salt is overflowing already.

[Skada.1362]

3 hours ago, anduriell.6280 said:

 12K vaults deadeye

u wut m8

[solemn.9608]

23 hours ago, kash.9213 said:

If thief stealth were fundamentally OP squads would look different. I would assume you were joking with that because of how dumb a statement that is but then, it's the WvW forum. 

I think everyone should have a reveal or two someplace and they should be reliable, but that needs to remain a build choice, they can't just be baseline. 

I'm sure everyone would want to Zerg on shadow arts thieves. Are you speaking about yourself? Do you even realize how ridiculous a statement you've just made lol?

Let me guess you're a diamond rank who still mains a condi druid or something like that.

You're right, this is gw2 forums, I don't know what I was expecting 😂 try talking to some competitive players and get back to me

[solemn.9608]

15 hours ago, Jitters.9401 said:

God no.

I have no reveals on my condi thief and pre update I would win every fight with every other thief class.  I don't use it after the update.

 

I don't have a reveal on my Glass engineer but unless the thief was a deadeye I would win most of the fights.

 

I don't have any reveal on my mesmer but with it I'd win the majority of fights against any thief pre update. 

With all that condi cleanse on entering and leaving stealth ot is pointless to fight any deadeye now as a condition build.

 

Everything that affects every other build melee or range affects thieves as well but reveals only really affects the thief.

 

Noone throws traps on a trapper runes ranger, trapper runes guardian, mesmer.... they all throw the reveal traps on thieves. 

 

Now add in more traits and skills to reveal? Totally ridiculous. May as well remove all thieves as a whole.

Hey man I can kill noob thieves who have no idea what they're doing as well

 

At actual competitive levels of gameplay (which is rarer these days I'll admit) it's overpowered as a mechanic bc it's too easy to abuse and outside of reveal there is literally (literally, actually) zero counters to it. You get hit by the thief or you waste all your evades/blocks/invulns and get hit afterward, either way if the thief is actually any good you're getting slapped

 

[patton the great.7126]

Ya soulbeast is the real issue with WvW. Finally a voice of reason! Not condi everything and That new guard build. No it's a completely watered down build that any modicum of skill can beat that is the issue!

[kash.9213]

31 minutes ago, solemn.9608 said:

I'm sure everyone would want to Zerg on shadow arts thieves. Are you speaking about yourself? Do you even realize how ridiculous a statement you've just made lol?

Let me guess you're a diamond rank who still mains a condi druid or something like that.

You're right, this is gw2 forums, I don't know what I was expecting 😂 try talking to some competitive players and get back to me

Then why aren't they in zerg? Even if they're hanging around the fight they're most likely not picked up by a squad.

Explain how my statement is ridiculous.

I don't have a druid.

Try proof reading your own comments so you don't look dumb and people don't have to call you out on it.

 

[anduriell.6280]

14 hours ago, kash.9213 said:

Then why aren't they in zerg? Even if they're hanging around the fight they're most likely not picked up by a squad.

Explain how my statement is ridiculous.

I don't have a druid.

Try proof reading your own comments so you don't look dumb and people don't have to call you out on it.

 

Thief and Ranger have always been the ugly child in WvW. Anet devs, they like engi and guardian and thus engi got the meta build scrapper. 

Meanwhile because nobody at the professions design actually play the game the intent of a medic thief ends up being the scepter, which is a druid 2.0 without the cool stuff. I mean teeths have if hard too. 

What Anet did to the portals and mesmer should be considered a war crime too. Meanwhile engi keeps getting buffed and FB doesn't get an actual nerf for 5 years now. 

[kash.9213]

6 hours ago, anduriell.6280 said:

Thief and Ranger have always been the ugly child in WvW. Anet devs, they like engi and guardian and thus engi got the meta build scrapper. 

Meanwhile because nobody at the professions design actually play the game the intent of a medic thief ends up being the scepter, which is a druid 2.0 without the cool stuff. I mean teeths have if hard too. 

What Anet did to the portals and mesmer should be considered a war crime too. Meanwhile engi keeps getting buffed and FB doesn't get an actual nerf for 5 years now. 

I really enjoy Specter, but a lot of it's applicable utility, at least in WvW, awkwardly uses up Shroud and other resources if you're using Scepter. I think it's mostly in a good place but trying to dart around keeping people in it feels like bombing while getting yelled at by Chef Ramsay.

[Psycoprophet.8107]

I don't want rangers rapid fire nerfed but id sure love if anet would give my warrior a version of it on my long bow.

Edited July 14, 2022 by Psycoprophet.8107

[anduriell.6280]

23 minutes ago, Psycoprophet.8107 said:

I don't want rangers rapid fire nerfed but id sure love if anet would give my warrior a version of it on my long bow.

Yeah always the field seems  greener on the other side they say.

Why would you want rapid fire when you already got gunflame with the rifle. 1 hit high massive damage package in a fast projectile. Most of the times when you see it coming is too late.

Warrior longbow definitely needs some love, but what I would like to see is Anet adding the unique debuff to the spell breaker for which  when they remove a boon that boon can not be reapply for a short time, like I suggested long time ago. 

but warrior is not in the favorite list so I don’t expect anything good happening. They already lost the banners after much mangling so what can I say. Welcome to the ranger corner..

Edited July 14, 2022 by anduriell.6280

[solemn.9608]

22 hours ago, kash.9213 said:

Then why aren't they in zerg? Even if they're hanging around the fight they're most likely not picked up by a squad.

Explain how my statement is ridiculous.

I don't have a druid.

Try proof reading your own comments so you don't look dumb and people don't have to call you out on it.

 

Oof you did not detect my very obvious sarcasm. I'm gonna leave you alone because this is like taking candy from a baby.

Have a good day sir. XD

[Azure The Heartless.3261]

3 hours ago, anduriell.6280 said:

Welcome to the ranger corner..

 

Ranger's mechanically better than warrior. They don't share the same corner. 

 

3 hours ago, anduriell.6280 said:

gunflame

 

Most of the times when you see it coming is too late.

You have trouble reacting to Gunflame?

 

Quote

Why would you want rapid fire when you already got gunflame

A ten second cooldown, high pressure ranged attack that hits outside of 1500 distance with no commitment is better than a single shot ranged attack that requires 30 adrenaline to even get access to. 

We don't even have to talk about how the damage potential on rapid fire is higher, either. 

Edited July 14, 2022 by Azure The Heartless.3261

[Psycoprophet.8107]

20 hours ago, anduriell.6280 said:

Yeah always the field seems  greener on the other side they say.

Why would you want rapid fire when you already got gunflame with the rifle. 1 hit high massive damage package in a fast projectile. Most of the times when you see it coming is too late.

Warrior longbow definitely needs some love, but what I would like to see is Anet adding the unique debuff to the spell breaker for which  when they remove a boon that boon can not be reapply for a short time, like I suggested long time ago. 

but warrior is not in the favorite list so I don’t expect anything good happening. They already lost the banners after much mangling so what can I say. Welcome to the ranger corner..

I wasn't comparing rangers bow vs warriors rifle but since ur mentioning it u can't seriously think warriors rifle is on same level as rangers lb lol. Lastly I was talking about warriors bow getting rapid fire like skill that does similar dps, would alone improve wars bow lol. Imagine a knock back instead of the spread fire and a rapid fore instead of the lame fire aoe that does crap damage on any power build. That would give wars bow a knock back, immob and damage with rapid fire and would actually make it good.

Edited July 15, 2022 by Psycoprophet.8107

[TheGrimm.5624]

On 7/10/2022 at 8:32 AM, kshaeko.5647 said:

We need to take a long, hard look at Soulbeast Longbow Ranger and its impact on WvW as a whole.

The Sic 'Em Roamer is now the most egregious new-player stomping build in the game mode as it:

1. has a sustained burst from 1500+ range that will downstate a player in under a second, unless they dodge twice or carry an anti-projectile utility,
2. can use a weaker burst again every 10s from 1500+ range, until 35s/60s have passed,
3. can disengage or catch up to most specs with its great mobility and stealth, even without speed/pack runes, to either reset a fight or get their kill,
4. can switch to melee to GS or spin to win with axe 5 to down unsuspecting players who thought the ranger would be more easily defeated when caught up to.

The SB longbow is an overly efficient solo/small-scale roaming build that preys on unsuspecting victims and it's always disheartening to see a low-ranked player getting annihilated in under a second while being unable to even react or reach their enemy. This kind of game play may be fun for the people who play it, but it's very oppressive and toxic to new players and casuals.

 

Yet SBLB rangers are still not welcome in zergs and are typical of being kicked if space is needed. Yes this is a build and class that does well solo and in havocs but again it's more the player knowing the build than the build. Ran into one last night that didn't keep their distance and was it was down in a drop and this was against tanky warrior build that I use for roaming/havoc play (which gets a lot more squad invites than my SBLB has never seen). I play a number of builds and elites, SBLB is one. You burn your sequence and then you are back to support or into melee range and out swords. The build has a lot of counters to it. And again if it was top kid there would be more roamers using them but right now personally I am not finding any one class ruling all the roamers. If anything ranger remains one of the better counters that roamers and havocs can use to try and hit the boonballs of larger forces, on that front alone I wouldn't adjust it. No, don't agree the SBLB isn't the boogie man and most roamers I know will target that enemy Mith/Diamond player before going after the player that's not even into any levels. Did a dance with a low level enemy player looking to solo take my camp I had claimed since they were new but murdered his Milt guild mate before he could make the ring. Again as a roamer that plays a number of builds that way there's not one I wouldn't try against or turned around and not attack at this time. If anything we still need classes toned up some from the Feb nerf patch. There should be no traits in the lines that no one would take and they are left with only 2 options in those spots. Lets get that looked at. 

[kash.9213]

1 hour ago, solemn.9608 said:

Oof you did not detect my very obvious sarcasm. I'm gonna leave you alone because this is like taking candy from a baby.

Have a good day sir. XD

There was no sarcasm. You made statements, you even argued with people over them. But go ahead and try to save face now.