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3 hours ago, Kori Jenkins.9017 said:

Keeping up with any HP train is going to be impossible without them, as a large amount of people have finished their skyscales and fully mastered every mount. 

There are specifically mountless HP trains, I did one before at least. All it takes is a leading Mesmer that has mounts+portal and you can get 250 hero points in HoT within an hour with needing no more than a glider and updraft gliding. Yes, finding one can be a challenge, but then again, the socialising factor mentioned by Cyninja comes in, people are going to help you if you ask them, they will give you portals, support you in more difficult HP fights and show you the way.

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9 hours ago, Kori Jenkins.9017 said:

The basic raptor isn't really that useful and won't allow him to keep up with any HP train he joins. 

The most frequently run HP trains (at least on NA) require only the raptor and gliding. Some of the group may get to the HP before others, but the comms generally make a point to wait for the bulk of the slower ones to portal and/or start them. 

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1 hour ago, SuavePuppy.2809 said:

The most frequently run HP trains (at least on NA) require only the raptor and gliding. Some of the group may get to the HP before others, but the comms generally make a point to wait for the bulk of the slower ones to portal and/or start them. 

This is my experience as well.

Fast runs that ignore the tail are the exception, not the rule, and are usually indicated as “fast” or “speed” in the lfg.

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On 8/19/2022 at 2:56 AM, Shrike Arghast.3856 said:

Not even knowing whether or not I'm going to like an elite specialization before spending all the time to get it fully unlocked is a huge issue.

As others have already said, I recommend using Heart of the Mists (the SPvP lobby) to "test run" especs and level 80 builds when you start a character. The *performance* in PvE won't be 100% the same, but the priority is just to experience the "flow" of a build — the kind of intangibles you can't quite get a feel for by just watching a video or whatever — anyway.

 

Beyond that, try to reorient your thinking a little bit… You know how you unlock various skills and trait while you're leveling? And you can just change them later if that's not your thing? Think of especs like that: sure, there's a significant investment involved, but you can't really "choose wrong" in the long run since you will just keep on unlocking specs anyway. And it costs nothing to swap once you've already spent the hero points and picked up suitable weapons.

Also, most especs give you to most of their special stuff right away: unlocking it gives you all the weapon skills, and the first Minor trait turns on the specialization-specific special abilities (like Reaper Shroud, Photon Forge, Jade Mech, the Firebrand Tomes, &c.). So for 40 hero points (which is 4 endgame hero challenges), you can start playing the spec and building up the rest of it, or move onto a different one if you change your mind.

 

For the masteries and mounts and stuff, that's also global across all characters. So dabbling in different characters/builds won't hurt you there. (It actually helps a little, since you get faster progression thanks to the extra story and exploration XP.)

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On 8/19/2022 at 10:02 AM, yoni.7015 said:

Getting enough hero points to unlock the elite specializations is actually not a big deal. It’s definitely not a long grind and doesn’t take 15 - 20 hours. 

It took me 2-4 hour to grab all HP points to all 3 specialization to any class mostly solo (except a few bosses).

Also I found that HP solo runs very chill and interesting. xD

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There are way to many posts titled "I'm going to stop playing the game"

Can we pls call this thread something like "hp runs are difficult"

 

Anyways,  for hp runs.

They're not exactly bad but some of the hot ones are difficult ( like the vampire bat and any of the ones where you have to fight something in tangled depths and there is only one waypoint in the entire map so you really have to not die.)

I do wish that the pof and hot intro story instances were easier to speed run but that isn't really what this post is about.

Pof hps are ridiculously easy and you can get them done in about an hour soloing all of them.

The hardest being the gin as there is a (veteran) hydra that often joins the battle

 

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12 minutes ago, Infinity.2876 said:

Pof hps are ridiculously easy and you can get them done in about an hour soloing all of them.

The hardest being the gin as there is a (veteran) hydra that often joins the battle

I couldn't solo many of the ones which required combat when I was doing a hero challenge run, because I was on a brand new character wearing a jumbled mix of gear from level up rewards (I'd used tomes to get to level 80) and I was trying out the weaver specialisation as I unlocked it, so I wasn't familiar with a lot of my skills.

(I've been able to solo them on other characters, so I know it can be done, but doing it when you've already got a build you know how to play and appropriate equipment is a very different experience from doing it on a character you're still building up.)

However I also didn't need to solo many of them because if I waited a few minutes someone else would come along and we could do it together. I could also have joined a train but I wasn't in a rush and wanted to try finding and completing them myself instead of just following a tag.

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On 8/19/2022 at 8:56 AM, Shrike Arghast.3856 said:

I don't expect hardcore/long time players to sympathize much with this post. But this is like the fourth time I have seriously tried to get into GW2's endgame and felt all my energy sapped right out of me by this enormous question mark regarding elite specializations.  I don't really want to quit. But, on the other hand, I'm not having a whole lot of fun with the daunting first-time post-80 grind.

I like to class-dabble in MMORPGs - it's just how I am. But, unfortunately, in GW2 you don't really get the chance to do that because of the way the elite specializations are both a) often significantly different in terms of playstyles from the core specs, and b) locked not only behind level 80, but ~15 hours of hero point grinding (and that's only if you have the mounts... which I do not). I've played the game to the soft cap off and on several times over the years, but every time ran into the buzzsaw of "oh, yay, and now to unlock the mounts by grinding masteries/story... just to grind hero points."

I can stomach pretty significant challenges in this genre - but I don't like going into big, lengthy efforts completely blind. Not even knowing whether or not I'm going to like an elite specialization before spending all the time to get it fully unlocked is a huge issue. Like, for example, holosmith looks kind of cool... but do I really want to gamble 15-20 hours on the chance that it might not suit me at all? Especially since I'm not a fan of how stock engineer plays (yeah, holosmith is very different - but I still have to grind through playing as the base engineer to get it). And yes, the first time through I would at least unlock the mounts... but you're still looking at a massive waste of a grind just to turn around and do the whole thing over again if the elite specialization doesn't suit.

I'm not trying to dunk on GW2. I love elements of this game - the art style, the world design, the cool way you're constantly bumping into other players. I even think the story is superior to FFXIV's (which... carries weight in some circles, although I never really thought FFXIV's story was any good... so... lol). But I just am losing all energy to continue... just like last time... and the time before that. And it's because of this murderous grind towards specializations I only might like.

 

Send me your stuff when you quit.

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16 minutes ago, Ronald McDonald.8165 said:

I think this isn’t the game for you. If having to play the game to progress is too much for you to handle in the easiest, most casual MMO on the market I don’t think this MMO or any MMO is right for you. 

I hope people are getting this kind of response out of their system before we start getting influx of new players from steam.

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On 8/19/2022 at 9:56 AM, Shrike Arghast.3856 said:

b) locked not only behind level 80, but ~15 hours of hero point grinding (and that's only if you have the mounts... which I do not).

 

Casual WvW player sitting on 1300 Testimony of Jade Heroics (after unlocking all 3 elite specs on my necro) that you can use to trade for hero points at a rate of 1 for 1. :classic_smile:

Not to mention, there are regular no mount friendly hero point trains where you even get ported to the hero point itself.

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On 8/19/2022 at 8:56 AM, Shrike Arghast.3856 said:

... I like to class-dabble in MMORPGs - it's just how I am. But, unfortunately, in GW2 you don't really get the chance to do that because of the way the elite specializations are both a) often significantly different in terms of playstyles from the core specs,

 

You like to class-dabble but not that specializations are so different that they could be considered more classes? I dont get this point tbh... also for b) you can get hero points in multiple ways, like wvw. Dont bother with exploration unless you like it more than the alternatives.

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You don’t need to spend much time to  unlock specs quickly if you do it smart (buy hero points from WvW/join HP trains etc.) but I get that being new it is easy to get confused and your point can be valid from that perspective.

The specs are not very exciting I see that, for instance dual classing in gw1 was much more exciting because of endless possibilities, here you just choose what couple utilities you can use and a weapon

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This is one of the easiest games to have alt. I have one of each class all specs unlocked. Took me a few months. You can do pvp and get tomes to get to 80 and then do wvw to get the skirmish chests to unlock elite. Or you could do the HP groups that take an hour or so. Or buy instant 80 tickets. So many options. You can also test out anything in pvp to see how you like it. 

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I don't get this. Could it be that Guild Wars 2 just isnt your gaqme, mechanics wise, but it is storywise?

 

I am playing through the game, I havnt even reached endgame yet, but I already maxed out every specialization with hero points to spare. This is because I try to do everything in a zone, I do the events, I do the climbing puzzles for the vistas, I explore the map..To me, that is part of the game's appeal and fun, and it's the replacement for quests in other games.

 

If you consider all that a grind, well that is a huge chunk of the game's content, and that gives me the feeling you've only done the story content and nothing else, which would leave you tragically short on points at the end, indeed.

 

At the risk of saying something impopular: Try to slow down and enjoy the journey, take some time to do the content spread around the map like breadcrumbs. It's fun, and you'l hit the final chapter of the story with more hero points then you know what to do with. And most masteries unlocked, too.

 

And if that is all mind-numbingly boring, I fear perhaps it is the game itself that isnt entertaining for you..

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