Where are all the engineers?

[Hooglese.4860]

Where have all the engineers gone? Before PoF engineers of all shapes and sizes could be seen in PvP. Engineers running scrapper, engineers that ran viper, engineers that were nice, engineers that were my vice. Now engineers are but a myth, have they all run off a cliff? I miss you engineers, if you come back I'll buy you all beers.

[Rezzet.3614]

Probably playing scourge since its one of the two gamebreaking professions and only way to succeed pvping

[Rezzet.3614]

Kinda miss my engi guild

[LUST.2305]

Blame Scourge.Everything Engineer has is Scourge candy since a majority of viable Engi tactics are near-melee range...and there are just no shortage of Scourges these days.

[Nilkemia.8507]

Gone, aside from the occasional Holoforgesmith. Without Path of Fire, my engineer couldn't do much, even playing as scrapper, an elite spec that I don't care for. Necromancers in particular already gave engineers trouble back then, and now that they have a spec that pretty much ensures melee combat is often suicide (while engineer got another melee spec), it stands to reason that most either switched to something else or tried their luck at Holosmithing, since it's the only way to be viable now. And even then, an engineer isn't really bringing anything that another profession couldn't probably do better.

I've like to try playing it again, but it's clear now that the theme of PvP is "If you don't have Path of Fire, you're fodder." So much for having fun...PvP's only good for the reward tracks.

Also, I don't drink alcohol.

[michelada.2947]

the trait lines are horrible, you can't build anything in the engineer arsenal for this meta.

[Dawdler.8521]

@LUST.7241 said:Blame Scourge.Everything Engineer has is Scourge candy since a majority of viable Engi tactics are near-melee range...and there are just no shortage of Scourges these days.Exactly. Scourge is the sole reason condi and melee scrappers isnt viable anymore. You just cant go close. I have seen a few power holos do good but the mechanic is just... uuuuuugh. And the rifle was already meh. Many probably changed class entirerly rather than go toward a spec whos main feature is to blow himself up. I know I did. So enjoying my no-stealth scepter/sword/gs heavy cavalier mirage. Using distortion to stomp make me think of the stomp gyro and it bring a tear to my eye every time.

[YoukiNeko.6047]

Scrapper is still useful in PvP. You can stomp with gyro while cleaving anyone trying to resurrect.And scrappers can really help with condi cleaning for the whole party. Just don't try to 1v1 anything.

[rank eleven monk.9502]

Seen so many holosmiths in low-mid plat.

[Alatar.7364]

Wait what? I see 2-3 Engis per Match 100% of the time. It is literally Spellbreaker/ Holosmith/ Scourge Fest now. Many of Those I meet are even Core Condi.To me, they are everywhere except Scrapper.

[Nilson.9865]

Look 2 turets have 2 seconds of aoe knockback(40 sec cd) and ult has aoe stun+net. Hip shot from rifle has penetration and looks like has no limit of targets. Elixir U grants you might and quickness. So with that setup i rely on knockbacks, net cc and autoattack dmg. It's working when somebody is already engaged with enemy. But stability will break this up. And some classes have a lot of stability and a lot of dmg.(necro, holo for example) Holo just has more advantages: crazy offensive abilities, good defensive skills. Why do we have to risk our lives in core/scrapper setups when we can be strong and tough in holo? But i still use turrets, no mattter what against me. I love them.(I used to be an engineer in TF2. 1.5k hours :) )

[Ashgar.3024]

I really want to play Scrapper as my go-to support but Scourge (and general lack of diversity in the Meta) makes it pointless.

Holo is fun but i like my Herald better to fill a similar role.

[Jeknar.6184]

Why should play play Engineer unto double or even triple scourge?

[Switch.4892]

I love my scrapper but it just feels obsolete in the current meta. The best an engineer can do now is play holosmith and hopefully manage kill those scourges before they get a chance to kill you.

[Cosminion.5042]

@LUST.7241 said:Blame Scourge.Everything Engineer has is Scourge candy since a majority of viable Engi tactics are near-melee range...and there are just no shortage of Scourges these days.

You are very correct. I play Holosmith and always get wrecked by the one to two scourges. Other than them, I can do well.

[Hooglese.4860]

@LUST.7241 said:Blame Scourge.

ok, I understand. I want scourge to not be in PvP anymore, cause im tired of seeing them. They could alter their kit so much that it's the hardest thing to play in the game but I've seen too many already, I wouldn't care.

[Unholy Pillager.3791]

@Nilkemia.8507 said:Gone, aside from the occasional Holoforgesmith. Without Path of Fire, my engineer couldn't do much, even playing as scrapper, an elite spec that I don't care for. Necromancers in particular already gave engineers trouble back then, and now that they have a spec that pretty much ensures melee combat is often suicide (while engineer got another melee spec), it stands to reason that most either switched to something else or tried their luck at Holosmithing, since it's the only way to be viable now. And even then, an engineer isn't really bringing anything that another profession couldn't probably do better.

I've like to try playing it again, but it's clear now that the theme of PvP is "If you don't have Path of Fire, you're fodder." So much for having fun...PvP's only good for the reward tracks.

Also, I don't drink alcohol.

I've had some luck in unranked with scrapper, mostly duo/group queuing with at least one scourge. If I see anyone on the other team that looks threatening to a scourge (thieves and rangers, mostly), I usually go scrapper for the reflects. If not, I use holosmith.

[Lighter.5631]

can't play holo when it's scourge spam

[coro.3176]

I play power holo (with tools+explosions instead of alchemy because I like grenades and toolkit) - this means I don't have enough cleanse to deal with a scourge bomb - need to immediately leave point and disengage if I so much as touch a scourge aoe. It's .. difficult.

I also play condi scrapper, but everyone is running so much cleanse to deal with scourge and mirage, it's too hard to get my burn to actually stick.

It's just easier to play scourge like everyone else.

[Sismis.5390]

Where they are?Peeling onions after seeing what has become of sPvp.

[Jeknar.6184]

@Sismis.5390 said:Where they are?Peeling onions after seeing what has become of sPvp.

Aren't we all except for the scourges and their firebrand friends?

[minion.1987]

i think a mass switch to scourge would be amusing to see. if anything it'll show how messed up pvp is also boring at the time. also use to like engie until the turrets got nerfed liked being able to use it's abilities while it was out.

[Malicious.3716]

I say we ALL play scourge this weekend as protest.

[Reaper Alim.4176]

@Malicious.3716 said:I say we ALL play scourge this weekend as protest.

This idea would more then likely be the most productive one. As players that we can do.

[EdgarMTanaka.7291]

Okay, first I am gonna say I am silver T2. But usually I am gold t3-ish.But I play as Holosmith and I do pretty well. I can beat the most classes including Scourge, but sure there are times when some players outplay me but mostly I am the Victor. The class I can't beat even if the player isn't very good is mirage.