Kheron.9062 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 RIP everything fun and unique. Renegade is outright superior to VIndicator, but the long dodge was a fun, unique thing to play around with. 2k hours on my Rev and it is probs time to hang it up. Good thing I love scrapper, those gyros sure are a unique - Oh, goodbye scrapper. Gonna main Mesmer next, maybe. They're still a unique class with their own class identity. You can thank me when clones get removed and Mesmer is functionally the same as anything else 8 8 9 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormemperor.3745 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 TLDR: Reaper spec is permanently removed from pvp and wvw. This spec will no longer be mentioned in any balance patches in future. 23 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orddan.1648 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 That specter shroud ... I understand that it did too much healing/shield, but not reduce it to almost a 3rd of the pool... at least make 1 or 0.75 7 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovenglove.9528 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 As far as relative balance goes, I don't yet know, I would have to play the patch. I feel like the changes are fun, and am looking forward to playing them. I am most ecited for the soulbeast pet swap. It was always a hard choice for me in pvp on pets. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiral.3724 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 So excited for warrior buffs! But please consider putting Winds of Disenchantment at least to 50%, not 33%. Especially with all the new boon applications in the game, we need a counter to that. Sad about heal-scrapper. Why would you nerf the HEALER?? 😞 Great stream. Please continue doing these! 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XDeadzX.2581 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 The ranger changes and the change to berserker look fun. 😀 Can't wait to see them in practice. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizz.7306 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Scrapper wells are now stationary ground-targeted skills with a range of 900. This is the only issue I have with the changes. Some of the other ones are less than ideal, but manageable, but this one is going to be slightly breaking. At least lower the cooldowns for the wells if we're going to have them be placed instead of following us. Blast gyro already takes some setup, but I can see how it's a bit strong with immobs and cc. I can't pop out of stealth like a thief and burst targets anymore since this is all ground targeted. This is really going to feel close to release scrapper, and that was just a horrible mess with the gyros being stationary, why in the world would it get reverted back? 25 4 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShatteredStars.6548 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kheron.9062 said: RIP everything fun and unique. Renegade is outright superior to VIndicator, but the long dodge was a fun, unique thing to play around with. 2k hours on my Rev and it is probs time to hang it up. Good thing I love scrapper, those gyros sure are a unique - Oh, goodbye scrapper. Gonna main Mesmer next, maybe. They're still a unique class with their own class identity. You can thank me when clones get removed and Mesmer is functionally the same as anything else Seems to me, your defintion of unique means, "i can't be op anymore". 11 3 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jozze.9532 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, CarlPaul.1479 said: Please buff vindicator , i'm thankful for the dodge changes but the class have no viable damage or support builds that can be used outside PvP . In PvE vindicator lost alacrity from centaur stance as buff with no real compensation , so it no longer has access to a unique buff and does not deal enough damage to compensate being only heal/dmg instead of support/dmg, damage wise vindicator is still only above supports in terms of damage :c please fix the viability in PvE the dodge changes is a step in a good direction but it's still not enough. heard about power vindicator? it has a very viable build for PvE. sure, it's not a 40k benchmark with 30-32k but it is still very well usable. That might now even get buffed now that you have two dodges. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 CC skills should do normal damage, and the change to reduce their damage to 0 should be reverted in its entirety. That philosophy clearly ended up causing massive problems, such as making Revenge Counter useless (since its a tratit that buffs the damage of a skill that doesnt do damage), and Prime Light Beam becoming just infinitely worse than Supply Crate. Even with this minor buff, I do not see myself ever picking PLB over the much more powerful Supply Crate, even on Holosmith. PLB needs to do big damage to be able to compete with a lower cast time, much larger AoE stun that also has additional benefits past that. This patch also seems to be missing buffs to a lot of other non-300 second cd traits that were rendered completely unusable in the february 2020 megapatch, like Pulmonary Impact. Will we ever see buffs to those traits, or will they forever be left to rot? Finally, nerfing the Tactical Reload interaction with shouts is good, but now Bladesworn is back to its previous, underperforming state, in large part due to Gunsaber being a bad kit youre forced to use, to the point where Bladesworn players will spam 2 until its on cooldown then drop the kit asap. There should've been compensationary buffs to Gunsaber, which in the stream were mentioned, but seemingly were not included? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jash.3104 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 How do you seriously talk about removing things that make a specialisation feel less fluid and then completely ruin Scrapper like that? So counterproductive. 38 7 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lentz.7438 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, GuriGashi.5617 said: Willbender and Firebrand are literal memes in PvP and didn‘t get improved at all. Firebrand is useless - Willbender has no sustain and the physical skills aren’t used in a single game mode. Why would anyone still play Guardian in PvP after October 4th Agree, healing skill of fb heals for 200 x3 charges a total of 600, NICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazze.9870 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, TexZero.7910 said: The cleanse well, stealth, and heal should be mobile while the damage wells should be ground target. Leaving cleanse and stealth as is combined with its superspeed would leave scrapper the undisputed healer/cleanser in WvW until the game shuts down, which is the path it has been walking for quite a while now. About time this interaction was put down a notch, because there was no way tempest or other potential supports were gonna compete with the scrapper utility. The alternative would have been to remove the superspeed, and that would essential change the entire spec as it is very much built around superspeed as is. Edited September 16, 2022 by Lazze.9870 10 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SloRules.3560 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Great changes for scrapper, could have went further on nerfing Firebrand. 9 1 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobius.2695 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Vindicator getting two dodges is so good. I've been hoping for something like this since EoD launched. Praise CmC and Roy. God gamers. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kheron.9062 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, stuvvo.4753 said: Seems to me, your defintion of unique means, "i can't be op anymore". I'm sorry, what? The long dodge wasn't overpowered. It literally made you weaker, you lost time that could have been spent doing literally anything else. But it was fun. I liked it because it was different. The scrapper gyros could get number nerfs. If healing squads in wvw or giving mass stealth is too much, limit stealth duration. Limit target caps. Lower heal numbers, cleanse less condis. There's ways to nerf things without changing what makes them unique. 27 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matoro.9708 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 I am loving the motivation of the team to address balance issues and the consistency of the work put in lately. I'll throw in my obligatory "what about turrets?" coin as well. If anyone can change them, Cal can. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hizen.5918 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 On 9/14/2022 at 7:22 PM, Double Tap said: Hi, everyone, Today we're taking a look at some upcoming balance changes in the October 4 update. The August 23 balance update was primarily focused on PvE, and we felt it was important to do a similar update for competitive modes. After this update, we'll be returning to the usual update format that includes changes targeted at all game modes. The goal of previewing these changes is to hear your feedback on these changes before they're released. We'll be following the conversation and making adjustments to our plans as needed. Thanks, Cal "cmc" Cohen Skills and Balance Team Lead October 4 Balance Update Preview Revisiting Elite Specialization Tradeoffs Many elite specializations have some mechanical weaknesses compared to the core profession, commonly referred to as the "tradeoff" for the specialization's new mechanics. In some cases, these tradeoffs feel natural, like when a reaper loses access to Death Shroud and gains access to Reaper's Shroud, but in other cases, these tradeoffs feel unnatural and can contribute to making a specialization feel less fluid to play. For this update, we've started to look at these unnatural tradeoffs and evaluate whether they're still necessary for the balance of the game. In many cases, we've simply removed the tradeoff, with the expectation that these specializations can still be balanced in other ways. 300-Second Cooldown Traits Back in February 2020, we increased the cooldown of many powerful passive defensive traits (such as Defy Pain) to 300 seconds because we didn't want these effects to have an impact in competitive modes, and for this update, we've revisited these traits with the goal of making them into healthier mechanics. In some cases, we've made the defensive effect trigger off something more active (like using an elite skill), and in other cases we've reworked the traits entirely. General The previous update to torment was a good change mechanically, as standing still to avoid increased damage isn't a realistic counterplay, but it left builds reliant on torment for damage in a tough spot. We're increasing the base values and reducing the bonus against stationary enemies to make torment damage a bit more consistent. Torment: In PvP and WvW, damage has been adjusted as follows: While moving: Increased base damage from 15.9 to 19.8. Increased condition damage scaling from 0.045 to 0.054. While stationary: Reduced base damage from 31.8 to 26. Reduced condition damage scaling from 0.09 to 0.07. Elementalist The last set of catalyst enhancements in PvP pushed it a bit over the top. With other top performers like specter, bladesworn, and herald coming down in this update, we wanted to include a few smaller adjustments to catalyst, and we've shaved down a few of its more potent defensive tools. "Eye of the Storm!" also gets a slight cooldown shave in WvW as part of a tuning pass on existing group stun breaks. Earth's Embrace: This trait has been reworked. It now grants barrier when attuning to earth. Final Shielding: This trait no longer grants Arcane Shield when dropping below 50% health. Instead, it grants Arcane Shield after using an elite skill. Tempest Gale Song: This trait has been reworked. It now grants protection to nearby allies after using a healing skill. "Eye of the Storm!": Reduced cooldown from 35 seconds to 30 seconds in WvW only. Catalyst Fortified Earth: Reduced base barrier from 3,000 to 2,520 in PvP only. Increased cooldown from 25 seconds to 30 seconds in PvP only. Rocky Loop: Reduced damage reduction from 10% to 7% in PvP only. Staunch Auras: Reduced stability duration from 3 seconds to 2 seconds in PvP only. Engineer On the PvP side of things, we're revisiting an old powerhouse: grenade holosmith. While we don't want it back at the level where it dominated the meta, it's currently underperforming and there's room to bring it back up a bit. For WvW we've primarily focused on scrapper. As we look to improve support diversity in WvW, it's clear that scrapper is an outlier. Builds like vindicator, tempest, warrior, or druid (after this update's changes) have the potential to be potent support options, but they aren't quite at the same level. We see scrapper as overperforming relative to where a support build should be, and so we've brought down its power in a few areas rather than raising other support builds to that overperforming level. We'll be keeping an eye on the support meta following this update and will make additional changes in future balance updates with the goal of creating many viable options. Skills Grenade Barrage: Increased power coefficient per grenade from 0.3 to 0.3333 in PvP only. Shrapnel Grenade: Reduced cooldown from 6 seconds to 5 seconds in PvP only. Freeze Grenade: Increased power coefficient per grenade from 0.2 to 0.5 in PvP only. Magnetic Shield: Reduced cooldown from 30 seconds to 25 seconds in PvP only. Reduced cooldown from 25 seconds to 20 seconds in PvE and WvW. Static Shield: Reduced cooldown from 40 seconds to 30 seconds in PvP only. Reduced cooldown from 30 seconds to 24 seconds in PvE and WvW. Utility Goggles: Increased resistance duration from 3 seconds to 5 seconds. This skill now removes one damaging condition in addition to its other effects. Throw Mine: Reduced number of boons removed from 2 to 1 in WvW only. Mine Field: This skill no longer removes boons. Instead, it cripples enemies that it strikes. Fumigate: Increased cooldown from 12 second to 20 seconds in WvW only. Cleansing Field: Increased cooldown from 15 seconds to 20 seconds in WvW only. Traits Over Shield: This trait no longer reduces the cooldown of shield skills. Medical Dispersion Field: Reduced healing conversion percentage from 10% to 7% in WvW. Mechanized Deployment: This trait now removes a condition after using a toolbelt skill, in addition to its other effects. Reactive Lenses: This trait no longer triggers Lesser Utility Goggles when disabled or blinded. Instead, it triggers after using a healing skill. Lesser Utility Goggles: Increased resistance duration from 2 seconds to 3 seconds. This skill now removes one damaging condition in addition to its other effects. Takedown Round: This trait has been reworked. It now grants increased outgoing strike damage while endurance is not full. Kinetic Battery: Increased quickness duration from 2 seconds to 3 seconds in PvP and WvW. Scrapper Skills Defense Field: This skill is now ground targeted. The spell area of effect created by this skill is now stationary. Increased cooldown from 25 seconds to 35 seconds in WvW only. Scrapper wells are now stationary ground-targeted skills with a range of 900. Traits Impact Savant: This trait no longer reduces vitality. Gyroscopic Acceleration: Superspeed is now applied on the first pulse of wells instead of the final pulse. Kinetic Accelerators: This trait no longer grants quickness in PvP and WvW. Instead, it grants might and fury. Holosmith Skills Coolant Blast: Increased base healing from 4,740 to 5,250 in PvP and WvW. Cauterize: Reduced burning duration from 3 seconds to 1 second in PvP and WvW. Reduced the number of conditions removed from 3+3 to 2+2 in PvP and WvW. This skill now activates instantly. Photon Wall: Reduced cooldown from 45 seconds to 35 seconds in PvP only. Prime Light Beam: Increased power coefficient from 0.01 to 1.0 in PvP and WvW. Traits Enhanced Capacity Storage Unit: Increased might duration from 6 seconds to 9 seconds in PvP only. Guardian Dragonhunter Hunter's Determination gets the "on elite skill use" trigger that a lot of similar traits received in this update, but we've also focused the effect on its defensive elements. After using an elite skill, the trait will immediately grant aegis and stability and create aegis fragments rather than creating a damaging trap that needs to be triggered. Test of Faith will also receive a slight reduction, as it is one of the more overperforming aspects of dragonhunter damage builds in WvW. Skills Test of Faith: Reduced passthrough power coefficient from 2.22 to 1.87 in WvW only. Traits Hunter's Determination: This trait no longer grants aegis and casts Shards of Faith when disabled. Instead, it grants aegis and stability and creates aegis fragments after using an elite skill. Firebrand Mantra of Liberation is a skill that has long overperformed, but it's not something that we want to bring down in isolation, as the need for group stability and stun breaks in WvW cannot be understated. With the improvement to some existing stability options and the addition of other new ones in this update, we're taking the opportunity to bring down the mantra and rein in some of firebrand's dominance in WvW. Firebrand's strength goes beyond the power of an individual skill, and we're investigating some additional adjustments for a future balance update. Skills Mantra of Liberation: Reduced ammunition count from 3 to 2 in WvW only. Increased ammunition recharge time from 25 seconds to 30 seconds. Mesmer The primary change for mesmers in this update is the addition of distortion to both chronomancer and virtuoso. We've also tuned up Mantra of Concentration to be a more viable stability source in WvW with additional stacks, longer duration, and a larger radius. We're planning a larger investigation into the balance between boon applications and boon removal in WvW for a future update, but for now we wanted to address a few outliers on mesmer, namely Phantasmal Disenchanter and Null Field. Skills Mantra of Concentration: Increased stability from 3 stacks for 3 seconds to 5 stacks for 5 seconds in WvW only. Increased ammunition recharge from 30 seconds to 35 seconds in WvW only. Increased range from 240 to 600. Phantasmal Disenchanter: Reduced number of boons removed from 5 to 2 in WvW only. Null Field: Increased cooldown from 25 seconds to 35 seconds in WvW only. Chronomancer Skills Continuum Shift: This skill has been moved to slot 5 of the profession mechanic bar. Distortion is now accessible in slot 4. Virtuoso Skills Bladeturn Requiem: This skill has been moved to slot 5 of the profession mechanic bar. Distortion is now accessible in slot 4. Necromancer Scourge Scourge's punishment skills are a powerful source of cover conditions, breaking the usual expectation of a one-to-one boon conversion by always applying torment and cripple. We don't consider this one-to-two conversion to be a healthy mechanic and have made an adjustment to all punishment skills in this update. We're considering changing these skills to use the standard boon conversion table, but we wanted to try to maintain some of scourge's unique flavor, so we've started by increasing the number of torment stacks while removing the cripple application. Trail of Anguish is another big outlier on scourge, as its lack of a target cap allowed it to have a much greater impact than desired in large-scale fights. We've updated the skill so it can only affect a maximum of ten enemies to bring it more in line with similar effects. Skills Punishment skills no longer inflict crippled when removing a boon. Increased number of torment stacks applied when removing a boon from 1 to 3. Trail of Anguish: This skill can now affect a maximum of 10 enemies. Ranger Traits Shared Anguish: This trait no longer transfers incoming crowd control to pets. Instead, it grants stability to the ranger and their pet when swapping pets. Stoneform: This trait no longer grants Lesser Signet of Stone when dropping below 50% health. Instead, it grants Lesser Signet of Stone after using an elite skill. Druid Druid is a specialization that was intended to enable a more supportive playstyle for rangers, but it has always lacked the set of tools needed to compete with other support builds in competitive modes. In this update, we've added some reliable group protection to Verdant Etching, group stability to Glyph of the Stars, and more consistent astral force generation for all druid builds to Natural Mender. We've also made some usability improvements to a few of the clunkier druid skills. Skills Astral Wisp: This skill can now target allies. After attaching to a target, this skill will now pulse healing to allies around that target instead of creating a circling projectile that heals allies. Glyph of Alignment (Base): Increased immobilize duration from 1.5 seconds to 2 seconds. Glyph of Alignment (Celestial Avatar): Increased number of conditions removed from 2 to 3. Increased base healing from 2,585 to 3,076. Glyph of Equality (Celestial Avatar): Increased range from 360 to 600. Glyph of the Stars: This skill is no longer channeled and instead creates the spell area of effect after an initial casting time. Base: Reduced the number of pulses from 7 to 6. This skill now grants stability instead of preventing condition applications to allies in the area. Celestial Avatar: Reduced the number of revive pulses from 18 to 6. Increased the revive percentage per pulse from 4% to 12%. This skill now grants stability instead of protection, in addition to regeneration and vigor. Glyph of the Tides: Reduced cooldown from 25 seconds to 20 seconds in PvE only. Glyph of Equality: Reduced cooldown from 30 seconds to 24 seconds in PvE only. Glyph of Rejuvenation: Reduced cooldown from 24 seconds to 20 seconds in PvE only. Glyph of the Stars: Reduced cooldown from 60 seconds to 48 seconds. Seed of Life: Increased range from 180 to 240. Reduced blossoming time from 1.32 seconds to 0.66 seconds. This skill now activates instantly. Reduced the number of conditions removed from 3 to 2 in PvP and WvW. Traits Celestial Being: This trait no longer reduces pet attributes. Natural Mender: This trait no longer uses a stacking effect. Instead, it grants a flat amount of increased outgoing healing. This trait also now grants astral force every few seconds while not in Celestial Avatar. Druidic Clarity: This trait now also removes conditions from nearby allies. Reduced number of conditions removed from 13 to 3. Cultivated Synergy: Increased healing attribute scaling from 0.2 to 0.75. Verdant Etching: This trait now grants protection to nearby allies after using a glyph skill instead of its previous effects. Lingering Light: This trait no longer grants astral force while not in Celestial Avatar form. Soulbeast The big update for soulbeast is the removal of its tradeoff; soulbeasts will once again be able to swap pets while in combat. We've also increased the range of the stance sharing from Leader of the Pack to make it a more reliable stability option when sharing Dolyak Stance. Traits Elevated Bond: This trait no longer prevents pet swapping while in combat. Traits that trigger when swapping pets no longer trigger when entering Beastmode. Eternal Bond: This trait has been reworked. It now grants healing when using a merged skill. You can swap pets while merged. Leader of the Pack: Increased range from 240 to 600. Revenant Condition revenant is in a similar position to grenade holosmith in PvP: a once-powerful build in the meta that fell out of favor after a few rounds of nerfs and is currently underperforming. The build's resistance sources were reduced significantly back when the boon still granted full condition immunity, but now that it only negates nondamaging conditions, we're bringing the durations back up. Skills Demonic Defiance: Increased resistance duration from 1 second to 2 seconds in PvP only. Fiendish Tenacity: Increased resistance duration from 1 second to 2 seconds in PvP only. Increased base healing from 132 to 165 in PvP and WvW. Spirit Boon: Increased resistance duration when invoking Mallyx from 1 second to 2 seconds in PvP only. Echoing Eruption: Increased ammunition from 1 to 2 in PvP and WvW. Pain Absorption: Reduced energy cost from 35 to 30 in PvP only. Call to Anguish: Reduced energy cost from 35 to 30 in PvP only. Herald The recent update to Draconic Echo pushed power herald builds a bit over the top by granting easy access to a lot of quickness. The change was primarily targeted at PvE modes to make herald a viable source of group quickness, but it's clear that this isn't a healthy mechanic for competitive modes. Lingering facet passives is already a powerful effect, and we've changed the boon to might in competitive modes to bring the trait down to a more reasonable power level. Traits Draconic Echo: This trait now grants might instead of quickness in PvP and WvW. Vindicator The single dodge that vindicator has access to has been a long-standing point of negative feedback, and for this update we've adjusted the timing and endurance cost of the vindicator jump so it's more in line with regular dodges. We've also made some small usability improvements to the vindicator's group stun break Awakening, increasing the range and removing the casting time. Vindicator no longer consumes all endurance to dodge. Reduced endurance cost of dodging from 100 to 50. Reduced dodge evade window from 1.6 seconds to 0.8 seconds. Traits Awakening: This skill now activates instantly. Reduced energy cost from 35 to 30 in WvW only. Increased range from 360 to 600. Thief In addition to reworking the passive traits in the Acrobatics trait line, Meld with Shadows gets a slight shave off its superspeed duration, targeting the strong performance of deadeye builds in PvP. Traits Hard to Catch: This trait has been reworked. It now grants endurance when shadowstepping. Instant Reflexes: This trait no longer grants evasion when dropping below 50% health. Instead, it grants evasion after using an elite skill. Meld with Shadows: Reduced superspeed duration from 2 seconds to 1.5 seconds in PvP only. Specter Specter is currently one of the most powerful specializations in PvP. The build has a lot of strengths, but the thing that stands out is the sheer amount of shroud health available, especially in combination with additional sources of vitality. We're reducing the shroud health by a significant amount, with the goal of making specters a bit easier to kill. We do see specter's reduced initiative pool as one of the tradeoffs we want to revisit eventually, but given its current power level we didn't want to do so in this update. We'll be keeping an eye on the strength of specter going forward and will be looking for an opportunity to restore the lost initiative once it's less dominant. Reduced Shadow Shroud health scaling from 1.5 to 0.69. Skills Well of Bounty is another skill we wanted to make into a more reliable source of group stability, and to do so we've adjusted how it applies boons. Instead of picking from boons that the target doesn't already have, the skill will consistently apply the same boons on specific pulses, starting with stability on pulse 1. Well of Bounty: Increased cooldown from 20 seconds to 30 seconds in WvW, and from 20 seconds to 35 seconds in PvP. This skill now applies the following boons: Pulse 1: Stability Pulse 2: Might Pulse 3: Fury Pulse 4: Vigor Pulse 5: Resistance Warrior Berserker is a specialization that was heavily impacted in competitive modes by the introduction of its tradeoffs, and it was one of the primary targets for improvements in this update. In addition to removing these tradeoffs, we've added adrenaline back to many of berserker's rage skills to make berserk access more reliable. The Defense trait line has also received some significant updates, tuning up some weak traits and improving some of berserker's key synergies with Adrenal Heath and Cleansing Ire. We've also included a handful of improvements for power and support spellbreaker builds in PvP, both of which have been underperforming. Skills Call of Valor: Increased base barrier from 2,064 to 2,580 in PvP only. Charge: Increased quickness duration from 2 seconds to 3 seconds in PvP only. Earthshaker: Increased power coefficient from 0.01 to 0.682 in PvP and WvW. Skull Crack: Increased power coefficient from 0.01 to 0.75 in PvP and WvW. Whirling Axe: Reduced power coefficient per strike from 0.373 to 0.298 in WvW only. "To the Limit!": Increased endurance gained from 50 to 65 in PvP only. "Shake It Off!": Reduced ammunition count from 2 to 1 in PvP and WvW. Reduced recharge from 75 seconds to 30 seconds in PvP and WvW. This skill now breaks allies out of stuns in addition to its other effects. Signet of Rage: Reduced casting time from 1 second to 0.25 seconds. Increased might duration from 4 seconds to 5 seconds in PvP and WvW. Hammer Shock: Reduced cooldown from 10 seconds to 8 seconds. Counterblow: Reduced cooldown from 10 seconds to 8 seconds in PvP and WvW. Pommel Bash: Reduced cooldown from 12 seconds to 10 seconds. Traits Berserker's Power: This trait now grants one stack of Berserker's Power, plus one additional stack per bar of adrenaline spent. Increased maximum stacks from 3 to 4. Bonus damage per stack reduced from 7% to 5.25%. Aggressive Onslaught: This trait has been moved to the Grandmaster tier slot formerly filled by Merciless Hammer. Gain quickness when you disable a foe. While you have quickness, your movement speed is increased. Thick Skin: This trait has been reworked. It now grants protection to the warrior when using a healing skill. Adrenal Health: This trait now grants one stack of Adrenal Health, plus one additional stack per bar of adrenaline spent. Increased maximum stacks from 3 to 4. Healing per stack reduced from 133 to 100 in PvE, and from 100 to 87 in PvP and WvW. Shield Master: This trait no longer reduces the cooldown of shield skills. Blocking an attack or reflecting a missile now grants adrenaline instead of might. Cull the Weak: This trait no longer applies weakness when striking an enemy below 50% health. Instead, it applies weakness when striking an enemy with a burst skill. Defy Pain: This trait no longer grants Lesser Endure Pain when dropping below 50% health. Instead, it grants Lesser Endure Pain after using an elite skill. Armored Attack: This trait has been removed and replaced with Resilient Roll. Resilient Roll: Gain resistance at the end of your dodge roll. Sundering Mace: This trait has been removed and replaced with Merciless Hammer. Merciless Hammer: This trait now also increases damage from mace skills when striking a disabled foe. Reduced adrenaline gain from 10 to 7. This trait no longer reduces the cooldown of hammer skills. Last Stand: This trait no longer grants Lesser Balanced Stance when disabled. This trait now applies barrier in addition to vigor when using a stance skill. Cleansing Ire: This trait now removes one condition, plus an additional condition per bar of adrenaline spent. Burst skills still must hit an enemy to remove conditions. Rousing Resilience: This trait has been removed and replaced with Stalwart Strength. Stalwart Strength: Disabling an enemy grants stability. While you have stability, your strike damage is increased. Berserker Berserk: This skill has been moved to slot 2 of the profession mechanic bar. Core burst skills are now accessible in slot 1 of the profession mechanic bar for the berserker specialization. Berserk mode now activates instantly. Entering berserk mode no longer initiates an attack, and now counts as a rage skill instead of a level 3 burst skill. Skills Blood Reckoning: Reduced berserk mode extension from 5 seconds to 1 second in PvP and WvW. Increased adrenaline gain from 10 to 30 in PvP and WvW. Outrage: Reduced bonus berserk mode extension from 5 seconds to 2 seconds in PvP and WvW. This skill now grants adrenaline: 10 base adrenaline, plus an additional 10 when breaking stun in PvP and WvW. 5 base adrenaline, plus an additional 5 when breaking stun in PvE. Shattering Blow: Reduced bonus berserk mode extension from 3 seconds to 1 second in PvP and WvW. This skill now grants adrenaline (10 in PvP and WvW and 5 in PvE). Sundering Leap: Reduced berserk mode extension from 5 seconds to 1 second in PvP and WvW. Increased power coefficient from 1.5 to 2.33 in PvP and WvW. This skill now grants adrenaline: 10 base adrenaline, plus an additional 10 on hit in PvP and WvW. 5 base adrenaline, plus an additional 5 on hit in PvE. Wild Blow: Reduced berserk mode extension from 4 seconds to 1 second in PvP and WvW. This skill now grants adrenaline (10 in PvP and WvW, 5 in PvE). This skill now removes blind, weakness, and slow upon activation, and it knocks enemies down instead of knocking them back. Head Butt: Reduced berserk mode extension from 2 seconds to 1 second in PvP and WvW. This skill no longer removes stability from the user, and it no longer deals increased damage when removing stability. Increased power coefficient from 3.0 to 4.5 in PvE only. Rupturing Smash: Increased attack area from 180 degrees in front of the player to 360 degrees around the player. Increased daze duration from 1 second to 2 seconds in PvP and WvW. Flaming Flurry: Increased projectile speed. Blaze Breaker: This skill now creates a blast finisher at the initial casting location. Increased ammunition count from 1 to 2 in PvP and WvW. Flames of War: Increased the number of conditions removed from 2 to 3 in PvP and WvW. Traits Fatal Frenzy: This trait no longer reduces toughness. Dead or Alive: This trait has been reworked. It now grants 2 seconds of Blood Reckoning when entering berserk mode. Bloody Roar: This trait now grants resistance when entering berserk mode in addition to its other effects. Reduced damage bonus from 15% to 10% in PvP and WvW. Spellbreaker Skills Featherfoot Grace: Reduced cooldown from 35 seconds to 30 seconds in PvP only. Full Counter: Increased daze duration from 1 second to 1.5 seconds in PvP only. Breaching Strike: Increased power coefficient from 1.2 to 1.32 in PvP only. Aura Slicer: Increased power coefficient from 1.32 to 1.45 in PvP only. Disrupting Stab: Increased daze duration when interrupting an enemy from 1 second to 1.5 seconds in PvP only. Traits Attacker's Insight: Increased power, precision, and ferocity granted per stack from 35 to 45 in PvP only. Revenge Counter: Increased resistance duration from 2 seconds to 4 seconds in PvP only. Magebane Tether: Increased might duration from 6 seconds to 9 seconds in PvP only. Bladesworn Skills Tactical Reload: This skill now only recharges bladesworn skills instead of all warrior ammunition skills. Traits Dragon Trigger: Fixed a bug that caused this skill to have a shorter cooldown than expected. Dragonscale Defense: Fixed a bug that caused this trait to have a shorter cooldown than expected in PvP and WvW. This trait now grants protection instead of stability in PvP and WvW. Reduced internal cooldown from 60 seconds to 15 seconds in PvP and WvW. I really disagree about the change to Tactical Reload to be applied in PVE because bladesworn have no CC skill and taking away the only option to recharge ammunitions like Electromagical Pulse 2.0 is brutal, also this change will ruin the idea of shout support warrior in strikes and raids so i hope you can leave this change to be applied to PVP and WVW only. 20 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxx.5021 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Scourge changes fit the necromancer theme. It is a dead spec in PvP and will stay useless. 2 7 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyonon.3987 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 You forgot the notes on pMech nerfs. :) (no this is not a salty joke, they mentioned it in the stream :D) 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velox.5340 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Gyro support scrapper was my favorite support class to play with action camera due to not needing to place any ground targeted skills. Making wells ground targeted completely kills this play style. I'm not gonna complain about the nerf itself, but can we please get an easy way to place ground targeted AoEs at our feet while using action camera mode? 22 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEUStiger.3590 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lord Hizen.5918 said: I really disagree about the change to Tactical Reload to be applied in PVE because bladesworn have no CC skill and taking away the only option to recharge ammunitions like Electromagical Pulse 2.0 is brutal, also this change will ruin the idea of shout support warrior in strikes and raids so i hope you can leave this change to be applied to PVP and WVW only. EMP needs to be deleted from the game. It's a [insert a certain zodiac sign] on open world design. Edited September 16, 2022 by ZEUStiger.3590 3 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cat.8975 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, GuriGashi.5617 said: Willbender and Firebrand are literal memes in PvP and didn‘t get improved at all. Firebrand is useless - Willbender has no sustain and the physical skills aren’t used in a single game mode. Why would anyone still play Guardian in PvP after October 4th Firebrand may be unused, but Willbender is currently fine. It could maybe use a tiny bump to its damage output, but to say people don't use the physical skills is nonsense. The heal, elite, stun-break, and spin are all great skills. The kick and shadowstep are the only stinkers in the bunch. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenesis.6389 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) More boon strip nerfs 🙄 Quote We're planning a larger investigation into the balance between boon applications and boon removal in WvW for a future update Annnnnnd we pretty much know how that "investigation" will conclude, goin by yet another round of nerfs for boon strip you plan at the same time of making this statement. Edited September 16, 2022 by Xenesis.6389 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kylden Ar.3724 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 So, Vindicator gets to have 2 dodges, but Mirage still gets to be gutted with one? 15 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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