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Can we talk about what role for 4th elite spec do we want?


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Can we talk about what role for 4th elite spec do we want?  

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  1. 1. What role do you want for the 4th elite spec?

    • Support
    • Assassin
    • Ranged/Mid range
    • A different role (comments)


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With bladesworn being another melee focused dps spec, they lost the chance to give us a support, assassin or ranged focused spec, and no, bladesworn is not a ranged focused dps spec, longbow is too slow and rifle is a meme, and our pistol is melee :s

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Do warrior e-specs even have roles? So far all 3 specs have similar roles with slightly different gameplay so it's pretty safe to say that the next spec will be more of the same.

Thanks god, we now have a long cast time spec so we can expect that the devs are done with this sh... *cough!*... poor design (I should probably avoid saying this... After all they managed to force onto elementalist 2 aura based specs...).

I would like to say that the next e-spec will be a dodge spec but strength already heavily cover the subject.

The warrior could have a "pet" like the captain in LOTRO for something similar to mechanism but probably incredibly less efficient.

There could be a something close to a spellcaster like the d&d bloodrager though... After all Specter and Druid established a precedent of a "physical classes" getting a "magic spec" while many "magic classes" have already pioneered "physical specs". (Yes most warrior will hate the idea, I know, but it's not like a warrior like spec like Bladesworn is really exciting either)

 

NB: For "roles", the devs already cornered the warrior with the fact that Quickness is tied to core and thus available to all e-specs so we probably won't see warrior sharing alacrity. Same goes for healing unfortunately as the current amount already create self sustain issues that the PvP subforum like to shut down quickly.

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Elite specs shouldn't necessarily be a new role, as that's supposed to come by default in the core, with the combination of stats, weapons, and traits, and professions having their own ways of fulfilling those roles.


The goal of the elite specs was mainly to change the gameplay somewhat, some did it like reaper and some didn't, just looking like an overtuned spec like daredevil with 3 dodge, chronomancer with the "new" boon and such, and So with the other professions and then there is the druid that although it seems like a healer (because it is) the grace of this was its avatar mode, which in the end did not offer anything more than healing, instead of changing its functionality with the traits and statistics, if here anet fell enough with making a "dedicated healer" (that either they did it that way on purpose, going against everything they said at the beginning or they were too lazy to finish it).


Now the elite specializations of the warrior, if they are all dps, more or less I think the same thing happened to them as the druid and others there is the drawback that they modified the adrenaline only so that it is a requirement to use the burst ability, instead of being an enhancer, the average berserker uses that of the enhancer, but anyway it requires 30 adrenaline to use, they did it anyway because they were lazy or did not know how to do the berserker correctly and therefore they moved away any enhancer that had the adrenaline of the core, it still looks weird on them.


Asking anet to solve all the mess that he left is impossible, partly because it half works and on the other, the options they give for pve and pvp are kept apart from having that combat system that highlights the game, which now seems completely broken is another subject.


It is clear that the majority will ask for support, ignoring the shouts and banners, that includes me, since what happened with the Jurafilos was a disaster, I wanted a specialization that could use 2 pistols and it ended up being one, which uses it in melee , with a weapon that you can't even sheath and if you think it's ugly and boring to play, te jdes.
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7 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

No. Pets.

I know you mean “NO PETS!” Or “No AI!”, but the punctuation reads as though you want pets. 
 

With that said, ranged or support. 
 

Edit: Also, NO PETS! NO AI!!!

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3 hours ago, Dadnir.5038 said:

 

There could be a something close to a spellcaster like the d&d bloodrager though... After all Specter and Druid established a precedent of a "physical classes" getting a "magic spec" while many "magic classes" have already pioneered "physical specs". (Yes most warrior will hate the idea, I know, but it's not like a warrior like spec like Bladesworn is really exciting either)

I think spellbreaker already did this - it was described by ArenaNet as something like a W/Me, and even beyond the boonstripping, skills like Dagger 5 don't seem like they came about without magic. However, they seem to have been overly conservative regarding what they chose to give it.

If they'd been a little less conservative, SB absolutely could, and probably should, have been more of an assassin. Considering that they grew out of Sunspears being pushed into a guerilla role fighting against magic-heavy Awakened, they really should have also tapped into mesmer magic to teleport in, eliminate a spellcaster target, and get out again.

Berserker could also be regarded as something of a W/E focusing on fire and earth, albeit tapping into that power through The Power of Anger rather than any form of academic study.

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Personally, I'd prefer if a warrior support spec wasn't guardian-themed, mostly because guardian is already basically a warrior/monk at its core, so it'd likely end up just feeling like a guardian that uses adrenaline. I'd be more inclined to see warrior draw from dervish, or support elementalist, or paragon, or, well, basically anything else.

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11 minutes ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

Personally, I'd prefer if a warrior support spec wasn't guardian-themed, mostly because guardian is already basically a warrior/monk at its core, so it'd likely end up just feeling like a guardian that uses adrenaline. I'd be more inclined to see warrior draw from dervish, or support elementalist, or paragon, or, well, basically anything else.

The only other "cross class" options are ranger, necro, thief, or rev.

 

Which one sounds more like a support to you?

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Another way to think about this is to look at what "cross class" combinations they have done already.

Berserker was Ele
Spellbreaker was Mesmer (Anet's admission despite the meditations)
BSW was Engi.

Guardian for example was:
DH: Ranger
FB: Ele
WB: Thief.

Scrapper was Ele
Holo was Warrior
Mech was Ranger.

For the heavy armor classes they really haven't crossed them at all.

So I think it is fair game for a warrior/guardian cross class combo, with a staff.

I don't want a pet AI class, because the only way it would work is if it were Mechanist 2.0, and Mechanist 1.0 is bad enough as it is having around. I'd rather have Guardian-Lite as the next espec for warrior.

Though, TBH I would not say no to a thief cross class that had ports and stealth.

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1 hour ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

The only other "cross class" options are ranger, necro, thief, or rev.

 

Which one sounds more like a support to you?

Necro sounds best. Give Warrior a shroud! The world shall tremble in fear. The rivers shall turn dry up from the salt that pours forth! He masses shall not know what to do. Their feeble minds will be unable to comprehend Warrior when given the strongest game mechanic!

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6 minutes ago, oscuro.9720 said:

Necro sounds best. Give Warrior a shroud! The world shall tremble in fear. The rivers shall turn dry up from the salt that pours forth! He masses shall not know what to do. Their feeble minds will be unable to comprehend Warrior when given the strongest game mechanic!

Too tanky. We would never die.

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54 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

Another way to think about this is to look at what "cross class" combinations they have done already.

Berserker was Ele
Spellbreaker was Mesmer (Anet's admission despite the meditations)
BSW was Engi.

Guardian for example was:
DH: Ranger
FB: Ele
WB: Thief.

Scrapper was Ele
Holo was Warrior
Mech was Ranger.

For the heavy armor classes they really haven't crossed them at all.

So I think it is fair game for a warrior/guardian cross class combo, with a staff.

I don't want a pet AI class, because the only way it would work is if it were Mechanist 2.0, and Mechanist 1.0 is bad enough as it is having around. I'd rather have Guardian-Lite as the next espec for warrior.

Though, TBH I would not say no to a thief cross class that had ports and stealth.

Idk how what class this would cross with (and I don’t think that should be a focus tbh), but you could do something like;

 

War Dancer:

Mechanic: War Beats

F1-4 are different war drum beats that do something in the area (think like Tempest overloads). F1 would be more damage+offensive boons, F2 some sort of healing, F3 Daze + defensive boons, F4 is some sort of higher-impact button. 2 bars of adrenaline, each beat takes 10 adrenaline. 
That would give a mechanic that provides support in an area, then can further augment the effects with traits. For example;

GM1: F1 provides quickness per pulse

GM2: F2 provides alacrity per pulse

Obviously these are just sample ideas, no where near fleshed out, just for an example. 

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The only shortbow warrior I can accept is if they rehash it into a crossbow. Either make it a crossbow wielded in two hands or a single crossbow on the wrist like a vampire hunter.

The only foci warrior I can accept is if they put the foci on the hands as fist weapons. 

The only staff warrior I can accept is warrior monk or have the staff act like a spear.

No to scepter warrior and no to main hand pistol. I don't trust them with main hand pistol after seeing what they did with offhand pistol.

And one big fat no to more condi damage.

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11 hours ago, Dadnir.5038 said:

There could be a something close to a spellcaster like the d&d bloodrager though... After all Specter and Druid established a precedent of a "physical classes" getting a "magic spec" while many "magic classes" have already pioneered "physical specs". (Yes most warrior will hate the idea, I know, but it's not like a warrior like spec like Bladesworn is really exciting either)

I don't think that most of warriors would hate that, this could be like a witcher warrior, sounds nice and could be great.

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7 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

Another way to think about this is to look at what "cross class" combinations they have done already.

Berserker was Ele
Spellbreaker was Mesmer (Anet's admission despite the meditations)
BSW was Engi.

Guardian for example was:
DH: Ranger
FB: Ele
WB: Thief.

Scrapper was Ele
Holo was Warrior
Mech was Ranger.

For the heavy armor classes they really haven't crossed them at all.

So I think it is fair game for a warrior/guardian cross class combo, with a staff.

I don't want a pet AI class, because the only way it would work is if it were Mechanist 2.0, and Mechanist 1.0 is bad enough as it is having around. I'd rather have Guardian-Lite as the next espec for warrior.

Though, TBH I would not say no to a thief cross class that had ports and stealth.

I don't think it's quite as simple as the implied "every elite specialisation draws from another GW2 profession, and each combination can only be done once" that you're portraying here. In some cases, yes, it's pretty clear. In others? I think you're already reaching with the engineer assignments, for instance (apart from mech). Reaper is pretty clearly dervish-oriented more than anything in GW2. If we look at, say, mesmer, both chrono and virtuoso both feel closer to guardian than any of the other GW2 professions.

So even if berserker has a bit of a fire and earth theme, I don't think this necessarily blocks the possibility of having another warrior elite spec with an elemental theme. For instance, I could imagine a warrior with a melee staff (with the specialisation weapon being a scythe skin), using water-themed skills to dish out area damage, healing, and buffs, essentially becoming a Wind Prayers dervish mounted on the warrior chassis similar to how reaper is a Grenth dervish mounted on the necromancer chassis. The practical effect might well be mechanically pretty close to identical to what a GW2 wammo might do, but avoids the overlap stemming from the fact that guardian is pretty much already the GW2 wammo by at least having a different visual theme.

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Warrior needs a ranged support specialization that comes with 1500 teleports (base line) on its utilities.

If Spectre can have teleports on wells baseline, despite there already being an overabundance of teleports and Shadowsteps on core Thief, there is no respectable reason Warrior can't get that as well.

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