Eod maps are Atrociously Optimized.

[Witch of Steam.5138]

I have never seen Something more demanding to my system than These maps. 

For starters, something about those maps SLAM my memory usage, more than Literally every other region / situation in the game. Full WvW Zerg Blob Fight ? 35-38% RAM usage. Massive, Busy RP event in other maps? 30-32% Usage. 

Literally just existing On the Isle of Reflection / New Kaineng ? 37-42% memory usage . And that's nothing to say about the GPU insanity as well. 

How is it just standing on an island somehow uses MORE gpu than sitting in the middle of a massive cloud of Glowing particle effects and Flying skills. 

There's definitely Something wrong with the optimization of these regions that , As far as I know, Needs to be looked at or addressed. The content should be accessible to players without worrying about lower-end PC's bursting into flames and Dying Because you want to visit a Guild hall. 

[ugrakarma.9416]

Same here.

i stopped doing metas in these maps, are becoming unplayable.

..............

Also bizarrazely, th new skyscale skins, even the lesses shiny/no effects, take 2 min to load on first time.

theres something weird going on.....

for example auric skycale is very flash, but is instantly loaded, its a more older skin.

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by ugrakarma.9416

[Dragon.5294]

12 minutes ago, ugrakarma.9416 said:

Also bizarrazely, th new skyscale skins, even the lesses shiny/no effects, take 2 min to load on first time.

this right here...the Kirin skin for the jackel does the same thing but at least the default loads in so I can actually get somewhere...with the skyscale, I sit in mid air at a standstill until it loads....

[Beowulf.4360]

I9 9900K + 32GB RAM, RTX 3090 here

I have around 50 fps less in EoD and they do not look that much better to be honest, it annoys me in some areas such as KO strike, when we stand on start and i look backwards into the city i get 46 fps, on this system, that is kind of unacceptable if you ask me 🙂

 

[Randulf.7614]

Prob the radioactive grass

[Bish.8627]

I love the slight hang when you leave New Kaineng. I have had 2 systems since EoD, 2700x/1080ti/16gb3200mhz and 12700k/3080/32gb3600mhz, also gone from SATA ssd to NVME 980 pro, got a massive performance boost for sure, old maps its too much, bouncing off the 250fps frame limit is horrible in some places. But the new maps seem to not care about my hardware and its halved easily, I dread to think what people on older hardware have to do in settings to get a half decent experiences especially in METAs

[Witch of Steam.5138]

Small update, as I'm doing some testing 

There's definitely something causing a Memory Leak in EOD maps. 

Even leaving EOD maps for several hours does NOT reduce the memory usage by much. 

So if Anet could Kindly look into making sure their game works first, before caring about shiny skins , that'd be pretty nice. 

Edited October 26, 2022 by Witch of Steam.5138

[Zephire.8049]

My GPU died earlier this month and I've had to swear off EoD maps. I could play the rest of the game without too much problem with my integrated graphics full screen and with mid-low settings but anything in EoD would cause system-wide lag. Even with a window less than half the size of my monitor and all settings turned as low as they can go, even zoning in to the New Kaineng chest spikes my CPU and motherboard to 100% capacity instantly.

Rest of the game? 30%, 60-80% if it's a blob of people with particle effects.

Unless I'm staring at a wall in EoD, then usage drops to 50%. But the moment I look up it hits 80%-100% instantly with New Kaineng being by far the worst. PoF-IBS maps do have slightly increased usage but there's no reason doing the northern Drizzlewood meta with all the snow and player effects should have a usage number far below standing in an empty spot in Kaineng with no players or weather effects.

[Harak.8397]

Green is notoriously hard on GPUs  ( I'm kidding, don't kill me )

[SoftFootpaws.9134]

The performance of the new maps is similar to the other expansion maps for me. End of Dragons maps don't really use any more detail than Path of Fire maps, and even less than Heart of Thorns.

 

You're most likely running into a bugged shader of some kind, since there's often small incompatibilities between the game and specific graphics hardware or drivers. Fiddle with your settings until you find out what's actually dropping the framerate instead of just saying "the framerate is bad".

[ugrakarma.9416]

7 hours ago, Mariyuuna.6508 said:

The performance of the new maps is similar to the other expansion maps for me. End of Dragons maps don't really use any more detail than Path of Fire maps, and even less than Heart of Thorns.

 

You're most likely running into a bugged shader of some kind, since there's often small incompatibilities between the game and specific graphics hardware or drivers. Fiddle with your settings until you find out what's actually dropping the framerate instead of just saying "the framerate is bad".

ins't about framerate, but memory leak. dropping framerate is just a consequence.

 

thres abnormal memory leak on EoD maps that make them load more ram even the wvw full blob fights.

[ugrakarma.9416]

10 hours ago, Witch of Steam.5138 said:

Small update, as I'm doing some testing 

There's definitely something causing a Memory Leak in EOD maps. 

Even leaving EOD maps for several hours does NOT reduce the memory usage by much. 

So if Anet could Kindly look into making sure their game works first, before caring about shiny skins , that'd be pretty nice. 

same here. to free memory after eod map we need exit the game. the same didnt happen with "heavy maps" like dragonfall.

[Stadsport.8714]

This doesn't really serve to discuss the bloat of EoD maps or memory leaks, but just a testament to how CPU-heavy GW2 is. I just recently built a new computer with pretty much sole intent of running GW2 (along with video editing and general computing). I'm using an RTX 3060, and a 12th gen i5 (12600K). Even at 1440p I can usually stay at or above 60fps for EoD metas until we get into the big zergs of players (Player Model Limit at Medium). I did Aetherblade Assault this morning and it was smooth the whole time, and I think the final boss fight it was hanging out around 30-40fps. Not amazing by any means, but at least it's perfectly playable. On my Razer Blade 13, which has a 10th gen i7, even it turns into a slideshow during Junkyard. Single core CPU performance makes a BIG difference in this game.

 

Fwiw, on this build, there's really nothing in the game that drags it down to a halt. The majority of the game will stay well above 60fps all day, but I actually started capping it at 60fps because I can perceive the "jank" if the game rapidly jumps from 60fps to 120fps and back down, for example. 

[Giovanelli.6071]

On 10/25/2022 at 10:05 AM, ugrakarma.9416 said:

Also bizarrazely, th new skyscale skins, even the lesses shiny/no effects, take 2 min to load on first time.

theres something weird going on.....

for example auric skycale is very flash, but is instantly loaded, its a more older skin.

 

All the new skyscale skins do this, with exception of the Cybernetic one which seems exempt from the bug; the Lunar Maned and all the Canthan-themed ones suffer from it though -- it's a bug they're actively looking into, from the staff post on my thread about it.

 

Onto the actual topic, I have to agree that there is something overly-taxing about the EoD maps, which is unfortunate. It takes a good... 4? 5? minutes of sitting still before details of the maps load in for me (i.e: buildings in Seitung or Kaineng, the huge trees in Echovald which basically make up the entire map, etc.). I really hope they do something to fix it, I love the maps themselves, I just wish I could actually explore them without my laptop doing its best impression of a stove top. 😕

[Gehenna.3625]

4 hours ago, Giovanelli.6071 said:

Onto the actual topic, I have to agree that there is something overly-taxing about the EoD maps, which is unfortunate. It takes a good... 4? 5? minutes of sitting still before details of the maps load in for me (i.e: buildings in Seitung or Kaineng, the huge trees in Echovald which basically make up the entire map, etc.). I really hope they do something to fix it, I love the maps themselves, I just wish I could actually explore them without my laptop doing its best impression of a stove top. 😕

I have to wonder what sort of rig you run though, cause I don't have this issue at all. I just logged in and tested it in all 4 maps but the maps load in about 5 seconds and when I'm in the map all the textures are loaded. There is literally nothing that still has to load as far as I can tell.

I do recognise the issue with the newer skyscale skins but it's just a matter of a few seconds for me.

I mean, I'm not saying these maps are optimised properly everywhere. I don't think they are, but your laptop may not be the best for gaming if textures take 4-5 minutes to load.

[ugrakarma.9416]

17 minutes ago, Gehenna.3625 said:

I have to wonder what sort of rig you run though, cause I don't have this issue at all. I just logged in and tested it in all 4 maps but the maps load in about 5 seconds and when I'm in the map all the textures are loaded. There is literally nothing that still has to load as far as I can tell.

I do recognise the issue with the newer skyscale skins but it's just a matter of a few seconds for me.

I mean, I'm not saying these maps are optimised properly everywhere. I don't think they are, but your laptop may not be the best for gaming if textures take 4-5 minutes to load.

if was about texture, the won't keep loading and loading. the ppl with this issue not only is slow to load first time, but when some fights starts, or just moving around on the map, its start requesting memory. the Dragon End dump 6gb on pagefile.sys.

[Giovanelli.6071]

15 minutes ago, Gehenna.3625 said:

I have to wonder what sort of rig you run though, cause I don't have this issue at all. I just logged in and tested it in all 4 maps but the maps load in about 5 seconds and when I'm in the map all the textures are loaded. There is literally nothing that still has to load as far as I can tell.

I do recognise the issue with the newer skyscale skins but it's just a matter of a few seconds for me.

I mean, I'm not saying these maps are optimised properly everywhere. I don't think they are, but your laptop may not be the best for gaming if textures take 4-5 minutes to load.

It's an Acer gaming laptop -- granted, I've grown sour on gaming laptops as a whole, because I either have the worst luck imaginable, or it's just coincidence that every gaming laptop (two from Asus, and this one) break in some manner only a year or so after I buy them.

(This laptop is about... 3? years old. Admittedly, my issue may be in part to the fact that, no matter what I do, my NVIDIA graphics drivers refuse to update, and nothing I've done has fixed the issue, so lmao)

[Gehenna.3625]

6 minutes ago, ugrakarma.9416 said:

if was about texture, the won't keep loading and loading. the ppl with this issue not only is slow to load first time, but when some fights starts, or just moving around on the map, its start requesting memory. the Dragon End dump 6gb on pagefile.sys.

So you reckon it's a RAM issue then. 6GB is a lot, but my PC had 16GB RAM and now has 32GB RAM. With both of those I never had the issue the other person describes. Makes me wonder if they run 8GB.

[Gehenna.3625]

1 minute ago, Giovanelli.6071 said:

It's an Acer gaming laptop -- granted, I've grown sour on gaming laptops as a whole, because I either have the worst luck imaginable, or it's just coincidence that every gaming laptop (two from Asus, and this one) break in some manner only a year or so after I buy them.

(This laptop is about... 3? years old. Admittedly, my issue may be in part to the fact that, no matter what I do, my NVIDIA graphics drivers refuse to update, and nothing I've done has fixed the issue, so lmao)

Yeah I got a new PC a few months ago...August I think. But even on my old PC I never had anything close to what you describe. I wonder if you push your laptop too hard. Companies call a laptop or PC a "gaming laptop" way too quickly. If they break within a year though there should be warranty at least. Or, well, that would depend on where you live I guess.

If I may, can I ask you about the main specs of your laptop? (CPU, RAM, Graphics Card).

[ugrakarma.9416]

12 minutes ago, Gehenna.3625 said:

So you reckon it's a RAM issue then. 6GB is a lot, but my PC had 16GB RAM and now has 32GB RAM. With both of those I never had the issue the other person describes. Makes me wonder if they run 8GB.

its a GW2 issue. i dont get ur point.

 

why these map are requiring 16gb, 32gb of ram? neither wvw blobs fights requires that.

 

I think you don't understand what you're talking about. I know that if I had Microsoft quantum computer, I could run x10GW2 concurrently.

[ugrakarma.9416]

13 minutes ago, Gehenna.3625 said:

Yeah I got a new PC a few months ago...August I think. But even on my old PC I never had anything close to what you describe. I wonder if you push your laptop too hard. Companies call a laptop or PC a "gaming laptop" way too quickly. If they break within a year though there should be warranty at least. Or, well, that would depend on where you live I guess.

If I may, can I ask you about the main specs of your laptop? (CPU, RAM, Graphics Card).

u are on this post just to blame users, not to help.

 

Anet is a software company, guess what happen when a software company just start blaming customers hardware, i have bad news.

 

[Andy.5981]

What I find interesting in this thread, indeed all threads like this, is the lack of information about settings/programs running etc.,

Saying I have X Processor Y Memory and Z Graphics card really isn't very helpful. Sure GW2 should run perfectly smooth on these high end bits of kit but we all know that this is only part of the picture. The game was released in 2012. The code is likely older.

What OS are you using? What additional programs are running on your machine? Post a picture of the graphic settings you have set in game. What is the version number of the graphic card driver?

Sure it may well be a problem with the maps, but a little more information would be useful, particularly the in game settings.

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Andy.5981

[voltaicbore.8012]

19 hours ago, Stadsport.8714 said:

but I actually started capping it at 60fps because I can perceive the "jank" if the game rapidly jumps from 60fps to 120fps and back down, for example. 

This has been my longstanding solution. It's obviously not perfect, but I find the stability much preferable to the brief windows of milky-smooth FPS that crash to slideshow levels as soon as something intensive comes up.

[Giovanelli.6071]

1 hour ago, Gehenna.3625 said:

Yeah I got a new PC a few months ago...August I think. But even on my old PC I never had anything close to what you describe. I wonder if you push your laptop too hard. Companies call a laptop or PC a "gaming laptop" way too quickly. If they break within a year though there should be warranty at least. Or, well, that would depend on where you live I guess.

If I may, can I ask you about the main specs of your laptop? (CPU, RAM, Graphics Card).

Aye, I'm definitely going to be getting myself a proper desktop, once I have the money to do so. I'm so tired of laptops, especially since they just don't have the same feel to me as a desktop does.

Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8300H CPU @ 2.30GHz   2.30 GHz

8.00 GB (7.85 GB usable)

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti

 

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What I find interesting in this thread, indeed all threads like this, is the lack of information about settings/programs running etc.,

Saying I have X Processor Y Memory and Z Graphics card really isn't very helpful. Sure GW2 should run perfectly smooth on these high end bits of kit but we all know that this is only part of the picture. The game was released in 2012. The code is likely older.

What OS are you using? What additional programs are running on your machine? Post a picture of the graphic settings you have set in game. What is the version number of the graphic card driver?

Sure it may well be a problem with the maps, but a little more information would be useful, particularly the in game settings.

Windows 10. The most I'm running in the background is Firefox and Discord, I usually never have anything else open at any given time when playing GW2. And other than high animations, textures, and character model limit/quality (which I don't have issues with usually in low pop areas of EoD), everything else in my in-game graphics is set to either medium or as low as possible

Edited October 27, 2022 by Giovanelli.6071

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