CalmTheStorm.2364 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 The Signet of Rage buffs on 10/4 were welcome, and it definitely does make it more usable (the 1/4s cast time is very handy). But it still is the most unimpressive Warrior elite by far and is generally just a poor choice (or one you take because you need passive adrenaline gain). However, I think it go from D-tier to A-tier with one simple change: Let it grant 30 adrenaline (50 flow) on activation in addition to its current effects. Keep 40s CD. This would allow Warrior to "start fast" in a fight, gaining high might and having a T3 burst (or Berserk mode, FC, or Dragon Slash) immediately available. That synergizes well with adrenaline-driven traits like Berserker's Power and Adrenal Healing, and it provides a source of adrenaline gain for Berserker builds to use in lieu of signet of fury (thus freeing up a utility slot). It would even compete with Tactical Reload on BS builds, as the instant flow and boons has obvious applications. Feel. The. Rage. Free. The. Rage. BE. THE. RAGE. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Make that all game modes. You think its D tier in PvP/WvW then boy do I have news for you over in PvE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowpeixera.2918 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 7 hours ago, CalmTheStorm.2364 said: The Signet of Rage buffs on 10/4 were welcome, and it definitely does make it more usable (the 1/4s cast time is very handy). But it still is the most unimpressive Warrior elite by far and is generally just a poor choice (or one you take because you need passive adrenaline gain). However, I think it go from D-tier to A-tier with one simple change: Let it grant 30 adrenaline (50 flow) on activation in addition to its current effects. Keep 40s CD. This would allow Warrior to "start fast" in a fight, gaining high might and having a T3 burst (or Berserk mode, FC, or Dragon Slash) immediately available. That synergizes well with adrenaline-driven traits like Berserker's Power and Adrenal Healing, and it provides a source of adrenaline gain for Berserker builds to use in lieu of signet of fury (thus freeing up a utility slot). It would even compete with Tactical Reload on BS builds, as the instant flow and boons has obvious applications. Feel. The. Rage. Free. The. Rage. BE. THE. RAGE. Make it so we scream incoherently in a way that even our friends get scared of us. Be the Rage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eXruina.4956 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, Shadowpeixera.2918 said: Make it so we scream incoherently in a way that even our friends get scared of us. Be the Rage. i think i already do this, like an angry hamster, idk what they think but they definitely ain't scared. 🐹 🔥 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmTheStorm.2364 Posted November 5, 2022 Author Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 hour ago, eXruina.4956 said: i think i already do this, like an angry hamster, idk what they think but they definitely ain't scared. 🐹 🔥 (Angry hamster voice): DEEP HORSE STANCE! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonecap.4105 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 It would be pretty neat if it could refresh burst. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 8 hours ago, CalmTheStorm.2364 said: (Angry hamster voice): DEEP HORSE STANCE! I swear to all things holy that if they get the voice actors to say that line for a warrior skill I will forever use whatever that skill is even if it sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmTheStorm.2364 Posted November 5, 2022 Author Share Posted November 5, 2022 25 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: I swear to all things holy that if they get the voice actors to say that line for a warrior skill I will forever use whatever that skill is even if it sucks. ANet: puts it on "Call Wurm". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuko.7132 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 If it granted full adrenaline and reset bursts, I would run it. It's supposed to be an elite skill. I don't think that's too much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 22 minutes ago, Zuko.7132 said: If it granted full adrenaline and reset bursts, I would run it. It's supposed to be an elite skill. I don't think that's too much. It really doesn't. It just feels like FGJ 2.0 but not as useful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscuro.9720 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 5 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: I swear to all things holy that if they get the voice actors to say that line for a warrior skill I will forever use whatever that skill is even if it sucks. They should take the leg movement out of 100blades and instead have the character assume a deep, nuts-scraping-the-floor horse stance while swinging his sword with reckless abandon. It would be a perfect place to add that voice line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowpeixera.2918 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 17 hours ago, eXruina.4956 said: i think i already do this, like an angry hamster, idk what they think but they definitely ain't scared. 🐹 🔥 I do too, but only because when i use the active of the sigil, i remember how bad it is compared to the other elites. Then i scream. A lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmTheStorm.2364 Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) On 11/5/2022 at 10:43 AM, Zuko.7132 said: If it granted full adrenaline and reset bursts, I would run it. It's supposed to be an elite skill. I don't think that's too much. Ohh resetting bursts is a great idea, too. Good thinking! Edit: that wasn't sarcasm (not sure why someone thought it was funny, but I definitely wasn't knocking @Zuko.7132's idea) Edited November 7, 2022 by CalmTheStorm.2364 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 44 minutes ago, CalmTheStorm.2364 said: Ohh resetting bursts is a great idea, too. Good thinking! The only problem with that is it then kind of steps on TR's toes, though I guess it's different enough to be two distinct ways of doing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmTheStorm.2364 Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 43 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: The only problem with that is it then kind of steps on TR's toes, though I guess it's different enough to be two distinct ways of doing it. TR doesn't actually reset DT, tho; it just makes the next one charge faster. So I think it would be OK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 32 minutes ago, CalmTheStorm.2364 said: TR doesn't actually reset DT, tho; it just makes the next one charge faster. So I think it would be OK. Thinking more about overall recharge mechanics, but yeah. There is also Blood Reckoning Recharging Primal Bursts and giving 10 adrenaline. And then there is Attacker's Insight recharging Bursts if FC hits. I'm just worried that there is too much of pulling from the Especs to fix a core problem. Perhaps that is something that the Especs did right though. Introduce mechanics to make Bursts more accessible. If it is going to recharge Bursts though, is the 1/4s cast still warranted or should it be higher again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmTheStorm.2364 Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Thinking more about overall recharge mechanics, but yeah. There is also Blood Reckoning Recharging Primal Bursts and giving 10 adrenaline. And then there is Attacker's Insight recharging Bursts if FC hits. I'm just worried that there is too much of pulling from the Especs to fix a core problem. Perhaps that is something that the Especs did right though. Introduce mechanics to make Bursts more accessible. If it is going to recharge Bursts though, is the 1/4s cast still warranted or should it be higher again? I'd be fine with it NOT recharging bursts, too; I was just saying that that is a strong mechanic that is worthy of consideration. Personally, I think it should provide the same boons that it currently does in competitive, keep the 1/4s activation and 40s CD, but grant 30 adrenaline (50 flow) on use. That seems pretty balanced (but strong and useful) to me. Also, I agree with your earlier post that this should be for all game modes; SoR is pretty bad in PvE too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, CalmTheStorm.2364 said: I'd be fine with it NOT recharging bursts, too; I was just saying that that is a strong mechanic that is worthy of consideration. Personally, I think it should provide the same boons that it currently does in competitive, keep the 1/4s activation and 40s CD, but grant 30 adrenaline (50 flow) on use. That seems pretty balanced (but strong and useful) to me. Also, I agree with your earlier post that this should be for all game modes; SoR is pretty bad in PvE too. Given what some other elites can do I'd say this: Passive: Gain 1 adrenaline and 3 might (5s) every 3s while in combat. Active: 1/4s cast. Gain 30 adrenaline, gain 20 stacks of might, swiftness, fury, protection, and resistance for 20s/5s, 60s/45s CD. (PvE/Comp splits). Though to be honest adding pulsing might to the passive effect and 30 adrenaline to the active would probably be enough without adding protection and resistance to the active. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmTheStorm.2364 Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Given what some other elites can do I'd say this: Passive: Gain 1 adrenaline and 3 might (5s) every 3s while in combat. Active: 1/4s cast. Gain 30 adrenaline, gain 20 stacks of might, swiftness, fury, protection, and resistance for 20s/5s, 60s/45s CD. (PvE/Comp splits). Though to be honest adding pulsing might to the passive effect and 30 adrenaline to the active would probably be enough without adding protection and resistance to the active. All good things. As is often the case, there are many ways SoR could be reworked successfully. I do think a big boost of adrenaline (flow) in whatever form it ultimately takes would be ideal, though. It would be especially interesting on bladesworn, as this would be the only way that it is capable of generating a chunk of flow instantly (as opposed to getting multiple stacks of its "generate flow" buff). Also, as I think about it more, SoR probably should NOT refresh burst CDs--at least not if it also grants adrenaline. If it did give both adrenaline AND recharge bursts, you could do something like Arcing Slice >> Full Counter >> Arcing Slice >> SoR >> Arcing Slice >> FC >> Arcing Slice. That would probably be a little ridiculous (although incredibly fun...QuAdRuPLe EaRtHsHaKeR???). Edited November 7, 2022 by CalmTheStorm.2364 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, CalmTheStorm.2364 said: All good things. As is often the case, there are many ways SoR could be reworked successfully. I do think a big boost of adrenaline (flow) in whatever form it ultimately takes would be ideal, though. It would be especially interesting on bladesworn, as this would be the only way that it is capable of generating a chunk of flow instantly (as opposed to getting multiple stacks of its "generate flow" buff). Also, as I think about it more, SoR probably should NOT refresh burst CDs--at least not if it also grants adrenaline. If it did give both adrenaline AND recharge bursts, you could do something like Arcing Slice >> Full Counter >> Arcing Slice >> SoR >> Arcing Slice >> FC >> Arcing Slice. That would probably be a little ridiculous (although incredibly fun...QuAdRuPLe EaRtHsHaKeR???). It would be fun. It would also alleviate some of the problems of the class, but at the same time it would drown out all our other elites immediately. I think the Passive needs more to it like pulsing 3 might in combat every 3s, and I think the Active needs either the adrenaline or the Burst refresh. More could be done certainly, but I think that is the minimum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscuro.9720 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) Just put every offensive boon on it; 25 might, fury, quickness, alacrity, swiftness, super speed. All for 5 seconds. Basically gives a period of rage-induced super-offense. Still less than Harbinger elite. Edited November 7, 2022 by oscuro.9720 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, oscuro.9720 said: Just put every offensive boon on it; 25 might, fury, quickness, alacrity, swiftness, super speed. All for 5 seconds. Basically gives a period of rage-induced super-offense. Still less than Harbinger elite. And full adrenaline/flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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