Jump to content
  • Sign Up

I kindly request an expansion just for PvP.


Alin.2468

Recommended Posts

As title says, I kindly request an expansion focused on Player Versus Player only. We need something to revitalise PvP, and the only way to properly do this is through an expansion dedicated just to PvP. We need content, proper balance, and much more emphasis on teamwork and team play with actual premade teams.

The current Structured PvP system is a lacklustre (to put it mildly). It lacks teams, balance, different modes, and a fun competitive scene. I am not talking about eSports, which is not something to be targeted, but actual fun with friends being rewarded. I understand the vote from 2016 but maybe instead of doing nothing and accepting a removal of teams (transforming PvP into a SoloQ farming which rewards people on losing), maybe something can be done to cater to teams and attract more people wanting to play in teams, instead of removing them. This is an Massive Multiplayer Online game after all, which implies the word "together" and "friends", instead of playing alone for the sake of some company with farming bots wanting some silver from lost games.

The current World Versus World scene is also lacking (to put it mildly, again). The beta system for alliances which was promised ever since before End of Dragons expansion won't cut it. This is because we rely on software to actually do the random balance between guilds, as if players always play the same professions and same professional builds in voice chat. With balance of servers players felt important, as part of a bigger community than just the guild. You will take this away and WvW won't work, because players need to do the balance and have fun together as a "team" part of something bigger (servers). We can not rely on servers for switching guilds against other guilds as the algorithm sees fit on a bigger scale. On smaller scale: long gone are the days when a commander stayed with team "together" making sure nobody dies. Now it's just a respawn fest with all players coming back ton mounts to fight, without caring if others die, and without staying together, because everybody respwans to repeat and sustain the random mess. We need a revamp of the whole WvW concept for premade teams and teamwork with voice-chat instead of the same mount-die-repeat process over and over again. Mounts took away important and fun strategies: stealing of objectives, escorting dolyaks for supply, suffocating enemy objectives by killing dolyaks, stealth-ganking players as they exit the base, edge of the mists blobing, guild-vs-guild.

And speaking of Guild Versus Guild - where is that? It was promised since beginnings, on the old forums. This is yet another reason for a PvP only expansion, dedicated just to PvP.

TL;DR - I know this post will go down and sink like others before it. But maybe, just maybe, someone from ArenaNet will notice it, and consider it, even though PvP did not bring (and might never bring) many gem sales to this game.

Edited by Alin.2468
  • Like 4
  • Thanks 1
  • Haha 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Alin.2468 said:

This is an Massive Multiplayer Online game after all, which implies the word "together" and "friends", instead of playing alone for the sake of some company with farming bots wanting some silver from lost games.

This is a bit of a red flag.

Its an MMO, yes, but sPvP is just a smaller facet of the MMO. The smallest of the 3 actually. Its 5v5, modeled after your standard 5v5 arena games like Overwatch, or MOBAs and people don't have a problem SoloQing in those kinds of games because YoloQ gambling is an experience entirely different to flex-queue sweat stacking. Devs usually understand this in like-arena games and take measures to limit teams or to separate them entirely from solos which works good in both casual and competitive queues.

They are both fine ways to play, they just wouldn't want to play together in a merged queue(like they do, right now) because if two people are competing against eachother in 2 different games that just makes no sense, and it isn't competitive. 

Another thing sPvP lacks would be a rating system for these teams. I don't know how anyone can argue its a social, team-oriented game when everyone is rated individually despite being able to DuoQ.

2 hours ago, Alin.2468 said:

The current Structured PvP system is a lacklustre (to put it mildly). It lacks teams, balance, different modes, and a fun competitive scene. I am not talking about eSports, which is not something to be targeted, but actual fun with friends being rewarded. I understand the vote from 2016 but maybe instead of doing nothing and accepting a removal of teams (transforming PvP into a SoloQ farming which rewards people on losing), maybe something can be done to cater to teams and attract more people wanting to play in teams, instead of removing them. 

I'll say again, sensing that we're nearly on the same wavelength, split Solos/Teams would be best and would cover just about everything you're looking for: Teams Different modes Fun competitive scene, two of them infact, three if you count ATs

Balance is another story, but balance also isn't worth getting upset over.

 

And all this could be done by just making a simple adjustment to the way people queue Ranked, and its been done before so its not like this would require a complete overhaul expansion of PvP or anything even close to that kind of effort, though such an overhaul isn't a bad idea really, just highly unlikely to happen at this point in the game's lifecycle.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

33 minutes ago, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

This is a bit of a red flag.

Its an MMO, yes, but sPvP is just a smaller facet of the MMO. The smallest of the 3 actually. Its 5v5, modeled after your standard 5v5 arena games like Overwatch, or MOBAs and people don't have a problem SoloQing in those kinds of games because YoloQ gambling is an experience entirely different to flex-queue sweat stacking. Devs usually understand this in like-arena games and take measures to limit teams or to separate them entirely from solos which works good in both casual and competitive queues.

They are both fine ways to play, they just wouldn't want to play together in a merged queue(like they do, right now) because if two people are competing against eachother in 2 different games that just makes no sense, and it isn't competitive. 

Another thing sPvP lacks would be a rating system for these teams. I don't know how anyone can argue its a social, team-oriented game when everyone is rated individually despite being able to DuoQ.

I'll say again, sensing that we're nearly on the same wavelength, split Solos/Teams would be best and would cover just about everything you're looking for: Teams Different modes Fun competitive scene, two of them infact, three if you count ATs

Balance is another story, but balance also isn't worth getting upset over.

 

And all this could be done by just making a simple adjustment to the way people queue Ranked, and its been done before so its not like this would require a complete overhaul expansion of PvP or anything even close to that kind of effort, though such an overhaul isn't a bad idea really, just highly unlikely to happen at this point in the game's lifecycle.

Both lol and overwatch doesnt have a soloq queue only.

Edit.: soloq seasssons were dead thats why anet reverted the change. Nobody likes playing alone, at least 90% of ppl who have friends to play with.

Edited by NotFound.7813
  • Like 1
  • Confused 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, NotFound.7813 said:

Both lol and overwatch doesnt have a soloq queue only.

True yeah, but both do way more than gw2 to limit teams so that they aren't super op and can't break matchmaking, a limit on how far apart two people can be in rating to queue together. In most games its usually people in the same divisions that are able to queue together but in gw2 a legend can queue with a buddy with an alt tanked to silver or gold and it just wrecks the matchmaking.

Teams or no its boring when there's a bunch of sweats gaming the matchmaker instead of the game itself and as the population gets lower and lower you get a lot more of these rigged mulligan games that are just a waste of 15 minutes, a big clown fiesta.

4 hours ago, NotFound.7813 said:

Edit.: soloq seasssons were dead thats why anet reverted the change. Nobody likes playing alone, at least 90% of ppl who have friends to play with.

Not really no. The soloQ-only seasons were like any other season, the main difference was that everyone was closer together on the leaderboard because they didn't have DuoQ to carry them through easy games.

It was reverted after an arbitrary forum poll that almost nobody talked about ruled in favor of DuoQ by(and this is barely if at all exaggerated) like a 51-49% yes/no ratio, and that's ignoring the fact that most top players have alts and could in theory, have voted multiple times on this poll.

 

Everything is more fun with friends, this is true, but as we get older people develop new responsibilities and it can be hard to get a group of homies together for a game like guildie. Eventually this stops becoming an every day thing and starts to become an every week thing. I don't care who you are, how much internet clout you have, eventually everyone is going to soloq on occasion so why not have it be fair without even touching teams? That isn't much to ask for.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

37 minutes ago, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

True yeah, but both do way more than gw2 to limit teams so that they aren't super op and can't break matchmaking, a limit on how far apart two people can be in rating to queue together. In most games its usually people in the same divisions that are able to queue together but in gw2 a legend can queue with a buddy with an alt tanked to silver or gold and it just wrecks the matchmaking.

Teams or no its boring when there's a bunch of sweats gaming the matchmaker instead of the game itself and as the population gets lower and lower you get a lot more of these rigged mulligan games that are just a waste of 15 minutes, a big clown fiesta.

Not really no. The soloQ-only seasons were like any other season, the main difference was that everyone was closer together on the leaderboard because they didn't have DuoQ to carry them through easy games.

It was reverted after an arbitrary forum poll that almost nobody talked about ruled in favor of DuoQ by(and this is barely if at all exaggerated) like a 51-49% yes/no ratio, and that's ignoring the fact that most top players have alts and could in theory, have voted multiple times on this poll.

 

Everything is more fun with friends, this is true, but as we get older people develop new responsibilities and it can be hard to get a group of homies together for a game like guildie. Eventually this stops becoming an every day thing and starts to become an every week thing. I don't care who you are, how much internet clout you have, eventually everyone is going to soloq on occasion so why not have it be fair without even touching teams? That isn't much to ask for.

You dont q w someone on silver/gold when ur legend, thats counter productive. 

 

Overwatch doesnt allow it to prevent low rating accs to get boosted by friends then leaving em on a rating they  dont have the skills of. Not in the other way around.

 

Gw2 is dead theres nothing u can do to prevent high rated players to get in qs w less rated ppl.  Boyce soloqs at leg prime time he stills get in game w golds. 

 

Game is so dead ppl doesnt even wintrade anymore biesides two nolifer peepos but thats not a big issue as far as you dont tryharding for top10 wich is big not the case.

 

 

Unless youre gold yourself just get another plat duo and you will have decent games. I soloq plat2 on EU just by spamming games.

 

Duoqing and carrying ur team is legit. If u cant its cuz ur just bad and dont deserve to push rating. Simple as that.

 

Edit: deleting duoq would  completely kill the game and let it a empty gold tier division fiesta. If you can even play this game w a friend why would anybody even bother playing it.

Edited by NotFound.7813
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

You dont q w someone on silver/gold when ur legend, thats counter productive. 

 

Overwatch doesnt allow it to prevent low rating accs to get boosted 

You could cut that off right there and still be telling the truth in the most simple way possible.

That's also a motive to the prior, being able to boost any account you want

And if that wasn't motive enough, legends need at minimum 120 games played to finish in that rating, while fighting away decay. They also aren't going to start the season in legend and have to get there mostly by piggybacking off the initial rating boost.

A legend is only going to like +3 rating when duoq'd with a silver, but those games are going to be ez pz. It also explains why the most shady stuff happens at the very start and very end of pretty much every season.

11 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

 

Gw2 is dead theres nothing u can do to prevent high rated players to get in qs w less rated ppl.  Boyce soloqs at leg prime time he stills get in game w golds. 

 

Game is so dead ppl doesnt even wintrade anymore biesides two nolifer peepos but thats not a big issue as far as you dont tryharding for top10 wich is big not the case.

Blah blah blah game is dead, yes I know. You've heard it once, you've heard it a million times. How many of those people do you reckon quit because of the terribad matchmaking?

This excuse does nothing but perpetuate an already self-perpetuating issue.

11 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

 

Unless youre gold yourself just get another plat duo and you will have decent games. I soloq plat2 on EU just by spamming games.

'get another plat duo'

So just like anyone that I feel is competent enough to carry me to top 10? I thought you said with friends earlier, now it feels like you're just duoqing solely for the numbers advantage.

I'm not going to try that hard, nty. My cortisol levels have already been all over the place recently and I don't think I can afford to sweat more.

11 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

Duoqing and carrying ur team is legit. If u cant its cuz ur just bad and dont deserve to push rating. Simple as that.

If I can't drag one of my poor, unfortunate discord buddies in to play this dead game all while simultaneously teaching them how to play it because most of us have friend-friends and not ubersweat friends that are already occupy 5 of the top 10 positions with 5 different alts, that would make me bad at the game? 

I'm not sure I know what to say that. You owned me bro, grats. I kiss your boots. 🤯

11 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

Edit: deleting duoq would  completely kill the game and let it a empty gold tier division fiesta. If you can even play this game w a friend why would anybody even bother playing it.

Nobody said delete duoq or to delete anything, I said add a solos mode.

Still, I don't think what you think would happen would actually happen anyway, because its been done before and was generally well-received. There were for sure a lot more people playing then compared to now. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

You could cut that off right there and still be telling the truth in the most simple way possible.

That's also a motive to the prior, being able to boost any account you want

And if that wasn't motive enough, legends need at minimum 120 games played to finish in that rating, while fighting away decay. They also aren't going to start the season in legend and have to get there mostly by piggybacking off the initial rating boost.

A legend is only going to like +3 rating when duoq'd with a silver, but those games are going to be ez pz. It also explains why the most shady stuff happens at the very start and very end of pretty much every season.

Blah blah blah game is dead, yes I know. You've heard it once, you've heard it a million times. How many of those people do you reckon quit because of the terribad matchmaking?

This excuse does nothing but perpetuate an already self-perpetuating issue.

'get another plat duo'

So just like anyone that I feel is competent enough to carry me to top 10? I thought you said with friends earlier, now it feels like you're just duoqing solely for the numbers advantage.

I'm not going to try that hard, nty. My cortisol levels have already been all over the place recently and I don't think I can afford to sweat more.

If I can't drag one of my poor, unfortunate discord buddies in to play this dead game all while simultaneously teaching them how to play it because most of us have friend-friends and not ubersweat friends that are already occupy 5 of the top 10 positions with 5 different alts, that would make me bad at the game? 

I'm not sure I know what to say that. You owned me bro, grats. I kiss your boots. 🤯

Nobody said delete duoq or to delete anything, I said add a solos mode.

Still, I don't think what you think would happen would actually happen anyway, because its been done before and was generally well-received. There were for sure a lot more people playing then compared to now. 

U boost acc in detrimental of higher acc. 

 

Sindrener when he streams, double leg duo, he getw into gold games. No need of a low rating duo.

 

If u q w a silver as leg u will win one point always and if it happens you lose its a -60. Idk how algorythm works neither i care but at best you do it w a plat1/leg acc. 

 

Either way its 10x easier wintrading. Literally when i q w 4 of my plat friends for fun we get into same games over and over again. At least our egos dont let us lose agaisnt each other. Anywats game is too ded as i said nlbody even wintrades anymore. Xd

 

If u cant get plat isnt cuz some leg duos stealing ue rating bro. Im sorry to tell u the trutg

  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Sahne.6950 said:

press F to doubt.

i mean... your right.. if someone cant get into plat... thats probably on them.

But there is infact wintrading happening.

Two nolifer nerds yes. Taking in account how easy it is that even i could win god of pvp putting enough effor into it when im a peepo thats near to nothing.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Sahne.6950 said:

we cant deny, that player numbers are dwindling, despite the fact that we had more balancepatches in 2022, than we had in the 4 years prior to that.

yes, even balance being bad match quality is worse than never

 

All the duo q dodge in higher ranks and the afk in lower ranks makes the matches bad doesn't matter your rank

 

We need at least one of this 3 things that never gonna happen

 

report system to work

duo q be removed

matchmaking taking longer to spam to stop the plat 2 vs silver games being only 7 min q

Edited by Khalisto.5780
Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 hours ago, NotFound.7813 said:

U boost acc in detrimental of higher acc.

If u q w a silver as leg u will win one point always and if it happens you lose its a -60. Idk how algorythm works neither i care but at best you do it w a plat1/leg acc.  

Yeah exactly, only the rating penalty doesn't matter because they're going to hardly if ever lose a game and -60 is a generous exaggeration. If you get 1-3 rating for a win and lose close to 0 games, it doesn't even matter how much you lose because they still don't lose anything overall when their w/l ratio is 118-2

You have a point though, people don't really do that anymore since there are easier ways to cheat and boost accounts, but people have done it before: https://old.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/dka7hc/megathread_october_2019_ban_wave/f4lgjva/

12 hours ago, NotFound.7813 said:

Sindrener when he streams, double leg duo, he getw into gold games. No need of a low rating duo.

Also true, yes.

The mind-boggling part is people are how somehow impressed by this. I think its pretty lame and boring to witness personally.

12 hours ago, NotFound.7813 said:

Either way its 10x easier wintrading. Literally when i q w 4 of my plat friends for fun we get into same games over and over again. At least our egos dont let us lose agaisnt each other. Anywats game is too ded as i said nlbody even wintrades anymore. Xd

Again, yes. True.

I award you a purple cup for saving me the trouble of having to type these things myself, I do appreciate it, and there's more to come so long as you keep trashing on duoq and how broken it is. Keep it up, soldier 👍

12 hours ago, NotFound.7813 said:

If u cant get plat isnt cuz some leg duos stealing ue rating bro. Im sorry to tell u the trutg

When I played I would average in and around plat2 and hover around 1,600 rating. The highest leaderboard spot I finished with was 68, which really annoyed me because if I was just a few rating lower I would have been rank 69 and then I could have quit this game happy and fulfilled, but nooooo.

Thanks a lot kenny, if you're reading this. Jk ily 😘

 

But yeah, i'm not about to sit here and humble brag over a rating that's only slightly above average, I may as well join the wintrading cartel if i'm going to start speaking through my ego like that. It was good for a while, but then they added duoq back in, and the cartel started gatekeeping the leaderboards with massively inflated winrates, and I was starting to get into more and more mulligan games where one team would have a legendary duo while another didn't have any duoq at all, and it was basically running around an empty map for 10-15 minutes waiting for one team to tick to 500 score so the game can end like 500-50.

It got boring, and it made climbing pointless. Fun challenge before duoq, but after; just pointless.

All this and I still don't even care if they delete duoq or not,  just waiting for them to add a solos mode back in because at that point, none of this will even matter.

Arenanet? Wakey wakey, shake and bakey, its time to split the queues 🙄👉

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I tried PVP'ing my normal time, late night NA, and my match was clearly full of bots and trolls. They've done such a terrible job of policing cheating and match manipulation, there are literally times you can play where I'm sure only other players have already rigged which way the match will go and you'll iterally spend the whole match getting chased by 4 other players. It also took me over 10 minutes, maybe 15 just to find a match and experience that. 

 

Do you really think, that with such low participation, that the game would be fun if they suddenly expected everyone to? most people still playing GW2 are only playing for the PVE or WvW, so it would be REALLY dumb for them to release an expansion based on gameplay no one is doing. At this point, I'd say play valorant or Overwatch if you really want a game dedicated to PVP, it ain't happening here. 

 

The other issue with PVP is that if it is balanced appropriately and matches are fair, you're guaranteed to lose about 50% of the time, and if you experience a losing streak at the wrong time, it can really mess up your will to play a game. This is part of why I quit MOBAs: I wanted control over when i would potentially lose and I also wanted what I worked for to mean something. That's how I went to MMOs from MOBAs. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

Yeah exactly, only the rating penalty doesn't matter because they're going to hardly if ever lose a game and -60 is a generous exaggeration. If you get 1-3 rating for a win and lose close to 0 games, it doesn't even matter how much you lose because they still don't lose anything overall when their w/l ratio is 118-2

You have a point though, people don't really do that anymore since there are easier ways to cheat and boost accounts, but people have done it before: https://old.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/dka7hc/megathread_october_2019_ban_wave/f4lgjva/

Also true, yes.

The mind-boggling part is people are how somehow impressed by this. I think its pretty lame and boring to witness personally.

Again, yes. True.

I award you a purple cup for saving me the trouble of having to type these things myself, I do appreciate it, and there's more to come so long as you keep trashing on duoq and how broken it is. Keep it up, soldier 👍

When I played I would average in and around plat2 and hover around 1,600 rating. The highest leaderboard spot I finished with was 68, which really annoyed me because if I was just a few rating lower I would have been rank 69 and then I could have quit this game happy and fulfilled, but nooooo.

Thanks a lot kenny, if you're reading this. Jk ily 😘

 

But yeah, i'm not about to sit here and humble brag over a rating that's only slightly above average, I may as well join the wintrading cartel if i'm going to start speaking through my ego like that. It was good for a while, but then they added duoq back in, and the cartel started gatekeeping the leaderboards with massively inflated winrates, and I was starting to get into more and more mulligan games where one team would have a legendary duo while another didn't have any duoq at all, and it was basically running around an empty map for 10-15 minutes waiting for one team to tick to 500 score so the game can end like 500-50.

It got boring, and it made climbing pointless. Fun challenge before duoq, but after; just pointless.

All this and I still don't even care if they delete duoq or not,  just waiting for them to add a solos mode back in because at that point, none of this will even matter.

Arenanet? Wakey wakey, shake and bakey, its time to split the queues 🙄👉

-60 is not an overexageration, and u wont get more than +1. 

 

Duoq doesnt matter, if i soloq w 4 of my friends we will be on the same match over and over again cuz game is ded and Soloq doesnt change that fact.

 

That conspiracy theory u talk about as long as im concerned doesnt happen at EU, here ppl just wintraded back when ppl used to care. Cant asure if its true ot not anyways it doesnt matter.

 

Those duos farm rating cuz theyre still leg skill lv on a dead game without no one who can face them. But thats like  5 players. If game was alive they would still be on the top on ladder.  

 

Nobody gate keeps u. Youre asking to be on a ladder wich is supposed to be peak skill ppl So if it happens youre actually climbing you will face those duos. If  it happens game is ded and u get to top50 u will face the tryhards over and over again but thats not a duoq problem. Thats cuz theres nothing in between you and those ppl.

If duoq gets deleted but game would be alive you wouldnt climb either way. By soloq you want these ppl to get bored so they dont q.

Youre pretty much asking for them to delete the game so u can be actually what they are. Wich is a bit kekw.

 

 

In fact, if the game were truly alive it would be ez to be top1 soloqing w.  You can tell it by watching Sindrener play. Almost all games he loses its cuz he gets into gold games where both his team and enemy team r golds.  Ranked is a clown fiesta w high volatility. Even gold only games have an absurd lv of volality cuz nobody knows how to play this game. The lv of ranked is ridiculously.

 

 

I soloq at prime time on eu and i get  tryhards aka the only few ppl who left knows how game works duoqing on both teams and im able to maintain a decent winrate overall by doing stuff like filling roles or whatever cuz i know ppl on my team have a brain. but as long as i play off prime time games are a clown fiesta wich r literally imposible to carry cuz nobody knows what theyre doing and i easily drop to gold.

By soloqing i guess you want that. A peepo clown fiesta where literally nobody knows that theyre doing so at the end whatever you do have cero meaning to determine who wins or who loses. 

Anyways 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by NotFound.7813
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

-60 is not an overexageration, and u wont get more than +1. 

It really is. I place in plat2 usually but i've been up there in plat3/leggy for periods of time. Its like +1 - +3 for a win -30~ for a loss

This was back in season 18 though where there was more people playing which affects how much you get/lose so I guess that could have changed since then. 

16 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

Duoq doesnt matter, if i soloq w 4 of my friends we will be on the same match over and over again cuz game is ded and Soloq doesnt change that fact.

ok bro? good for you

Again, i'm just asking for a solos mode. I don't care about duoq outside of the fact that i'm forced to go against them occasionally despite not having one. Clearly i'm bad at the game and I should be very upset by this fact, my ego should be crushed to pieces, so why in all my badness am I expected to win against two walking demigods with a team full of random people?

How is that fun?  On what planet?

16 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

That conspiracy theory u talk about as long as im concerned doesnt happen at EU, here ppl just wintraded back when ppl used to care. Cant asure if its true ot not anyways it doesnt matter.

Conspiracy? That was a post by Arenanet

And the 60 accounts that were banned were all on EU, which I hear is actually better than NA when it comes to this elaborate metagame to match manipulate, in a game where you really don't have to like you said.

16 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

Those duos farm rating cuz theyre still leg skill lv on a dead game without no one who can face them. But thats like  5 players. If game was alive they would still be on the top on ladder.  

They farm rating because of the fact that they're duoq'd and its a massive advantage over soloq. It doesn't matter how dead the game is, that just makes it worse really.

We've already seen how the leaderboards looked with soloq in seasons 9-12. The good are still good, yes, but they have normal winrates. Like 60-70% of games won, very solid soloq stats, but reasonable. Not like the 118-2 bs you see since duoq.

16 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

Nobody gate keeps u. Youre asking to be on a ladder wich is supposed to be peak skill ppl So if it happens youre actually climbing you will face those duos. If  it happens game is ded and u get to top50 u will face the tryhards over and over again but thats not a duoq problem. Thats cuz theres nothing in between you and those ppl.

If duoq gets deleted but game would be alive you wouldnt climb either way. By soloq you want these ppl to get bored so they dont q.

Youre pretty much asking for them to delete the game so u can be actually what they are. Wich is a bit kekw.

What is this? Gaslighting? Putting words in my mouth?

I'm going to keep saying I don't care what happens to duoq, I just want to play solos, please add a solos mode in which everyone playing is a soloq.

I like how you call me a conspiracy theorist when you've gone out of your way to form this elaborate super villain story behind my motivation. That's OMEGALUL

I'm going to have to disappoint because all I want is a solos button. Fortnite has one so how hard can it actually be people? Hello?

16 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

In fact, if the game were truly alive it would be ez to be top1 soloqing w.  You can tell it by watching Sindrener play. Almost all games he loses its cuz he gets into gold games where both his team and enemy team r golds.  

Then why not have one?

Also stop trying to get me to watch Sind. I prefer Asmongold for my backseat gaming fix.

16 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

I soloq at prime time on eu and i get  tryhards aka the only few ppl who left knows how game works duoqing on both teams and im able to maintain a decent winrate overall by doing stuff like filling roles or whatever cuz i know ppl on my team have a brain. but as long as i play off prime time games are a clown fiesta wich r literally imposible to carry cuz nobody knows what theyre doing and i easily drop to gold.

Yup, uh-huh. I've been playing this game for a long time, and i've seen this said so many times i've lost count. 

"Yeah i'm a soloQ god. I solo into the legendary duoqs and slay them. I'm the reason they lose 10 games every season, but also please don't remove duoq." 🤣

16 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

By soloqing i guess you want that. A peepo clown fiesta where literally nobody knows that theyre doing so at the end whatever you do have cero meaning to determine who wins or who loses. 

Yes, something that is completely at the mercy of RNG, just like solo/duoQ but where its fair because everyone plays with that same RNG, there is no easy mode where people can selectively make the game easier for themselves(DuoQ).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

49 minutes ago, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

It really is. I place in plat2 usually but i've been up there in plat3/leggy for periods of time. Its like +1 - +3 for a win -30~ for a loss

This was back in season 18 though where there was more people playing which affects how much you get/lose so I guess that could have changed since then. 

ok bro? good for you

Again, i'm just asking for a solos mode. I don't care about duoq outside of the fact that i'm forced to go against them occasionally despite not having one. Clearly i'm bad at the game and I should be very upset by this fact, my ego should be crushed to pieces, so why in all my badness am I expected to win against two walking demigods with a team full of random people?

How is that fun?  On what planet?

Conspiracy? That was a post by Arenanet

And the 60 accounts that were banned were all on EU, which I hear is actually better than NA when it comes to this elaborate metagame to match manipulate, in a game where you really don't have to like you said.

They farm rating because of the fact that they're duoq'd and its a massive advantage over soloq. It doesn't matter how dead the game is, that just makes it worse really.

We've already seen how the leaderboards looked with soloq in seasons 9-12. The good are still good, yes, but they have normal winrates. Like 60-70% of games won, very solid soloq stats, but reasonable. Not like the 118-2 bs you see since duoq.

What is this? Gaslighting? Putting words in my mouth?

I'm going to keep saying I don't care what happens to duoq, I just want to play solos, please add a solos mode in which everyone playing is a soloq.

I like how you call me a conspiracy theorist when you've gone out of your way to form this elaborate super villain story behind my motivation. That's OMEGALUL

I'm going to have to disappoint because all I want is a solos button. Fortnite has one so how hard can it actually be people? Hello?

Then why not have one?

Also stop trying to get me to watch Sind. I prefer Asmongold for my backseat gaming fix.

Yup, uh-huh. I've been playing this game for a long time, and i've seen this said so many times i've lost count. 

"Yeah i'm a soloQ god. I solo into the legendary duoqs and slay them. I'm the reason they lose 10 games every season, but also please don't remove duoq." 🤣

Yes, something that is completely at the mercy of RNG, just like solo/duoQ but where its fair because everyone plays with that same RNG, there is no easy mode where people can selectively make the game easier for themselves(DuoQ).

 I was refeeing to that leg/silver duo u was talking about. Theres no way you get 3 point while quing w a silver. Anyway idk i never qued w a silver. My max experience is doing placements w a new acc with someone on plat wich let my friend on plat to have games w a +1 until i finished my placements.

 

Dont think anet banned anyone for quing offhors or w silver when if it happens its entirely an anet algorythm fault. Idk if u talk about that.

 

If u qing prime time that demigod duo should had been getting another demigod duo. If its not the case its entirelt due to gw2 being ded. If u carry rating prime time duoqing idk where the cheating comes from. If theres no other duos who can face you thechnically u deserve to have 100% win rating. 

 

Anyways you can carry rating by duoqung without being top10 demigod wich btw its the only way to carry games out of gold without shooting ur leg on the process .  If normal duos stomp u then its cuz you dont deserve to be on that rating wich is fine also.  EU is dead af too but sometimes prime time you get some duos wich r good and you get some great games. But that happens cuz you get two or more good duos qing at same time. Guess NA doesnt have that much numbers kek.

 

 

 

Its ok if u want a soloQ. It wont happen but its totally legit asking for it. Doesnt stop my right to criticism it would be even a bigger clown fiesta than atually game is and to think ur just mad at the tryhard legends cuz they ocasionally stomp u besides soloqing  duoqing  or 5qing on unranked.

 

Elaboratinng it  a bit soloq is not a bad idea on its own but only because good ppl left only play duos cuz its the only way to enjoy ranked at its actual clown state.  And its very much proven when the most volatility you can have happens to be on gold/silvdr only games where ppl play the most random kitten.  Normal plat duos tend to have 50% win ratio even when getting ocasionally stomped by leg duos. Ppl on gold can get sometimes lose streaks way back to silver 3. 

 

 

Edited by NotFound.7813
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

 I was refeeing to that leg/silver duo u was talking about. Theres no way you get 3 point while quing w a silver. Anyway idk i never qued w a silver. My max experience is doing placements w a new acc with someone on plat wich let my friend on plat to have games w a +1 until i finished my placements.

 

Dont think anet banned anyone for quing offhors or w silver when if it happens its entirely an anet algorythm fault. Idk if u talk about that.

 

If u qing prime time that demigod duo should had been getting another demigod duo. If its not the case its entirelt due to gw2 being ded. If u carry rating prime time duoqing idk where the cheating comes from. If theres no other duos who can face you thechnically u deserve to have 100% win rating. 

 

Anyways you can carry rating by duoqung without being top10 demigod wich btw its the only way to carry games out of gold without shooting ur leg on the process .  If normal duos stomp u then its cuz you dont deserve to be on that rating wich is fine also.  EU is dead af too but sometimes prime time you get some duos wich r good and you get some great games. But that happens cuz you get two or more good duos qing at same time. Guess NA doesnt have that much numbers kek.

no we don't really

who could blame them? We have boring clowns that duoQ, do half the work of a soloq, then flaunt their 'success' and talk down on the aforementioned soloqs.

 

Broad statement here for no particular reason. You won't find a top playerbase more vain and egotistical than what gw2 has to offer. You can't even talk to some of these people, there's just too much ego in the way to have a pleasant, rational discussion. 

4 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

Its ok if u want a soloQ. It wont happen but its totally legit asking for it. Doesnt stop my right to criticism it would be even a bigger clown fiesta than atually game is and to think ur just mad at the tryhard legends cuz they ocasionally stomp u besides soloqing  duoqing  or 5qing on unranked.

I nearly gave up, but it seems you finally get the point after having mentioned it three different times. That's another purple cup, good job for you.

Yes, I don't care what happens to duoq, teams, I just want the soloq. Now that you've figured that out, you can criticize it all you want really, I don't care what you have to say. Considering the existence of a separate soloq wouldn't even effect you or anyone else, it would just be there for the people who are soloqing.

4 minutes ago, NotFound.7813 said:

Elaboratinng ir a bit soloq is a bad idea on its own but cuz the only good ppl left only duos cuz its the only way to enjoy ranked at its clown state.  And its very much proven when the most volatility you can have happens to be on gold only games where ppl play the most random kitten. 

What you find enjoyable doesn't really fit under my definition of fun, no.

I look at a game with a duoq on one team and not on the other and I go "wow. 💩 game"

You look at that same game and go "oh my gosh, that duoq is so good. They earned that win."

i'm not finna be impressed by sweaty metagaming and matches won against people playing with a handicap. That would be like if the bad guy won at the end of Gladiator. Lame 👎

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

This game is an MMO. It should be about teams, not about soloQ or duoQ. It should be about people gathering together in guilds dedicated to PvP to form teams and fight together, not everybody in their own little world without communication in a fast-paced game, because by the time you type something in text-chat about mid-point, you're dead.

We need fun together. We need PvP communities. We need a complete PvP overhaul for fun with teams and guilds together; not for some competitive eSports scene, or for bot farming in soloQ by keeping computer running PvP while sleeping using some script which auto-attacks enemy players.

Edited by Alin.2468
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 11/9/2022 at 4:15 AM, NotFound.7813 said:

Unless youre gold yourself just get another plat duo and you will have decent games. I soloq plat2 on EU just by spamming games.

Not sure if you are understanding how bad it is in NA. NA population is way lower than EU which equates to synch queues being much easier to perform.

We have middle/low tiered players in NA doing super assy stuff like "run a duo load into match as double thief, synch queue a windowed account into the game where the character is also a thief so it ensures being placed on opposing team, then have the windowed thief alt afk for easy game" and of course they can decline queue if the windowed alt doesn't make it in.

A lot of these players aren't even doing this for clout. They do it to farm game wins for the sake of building the legendary gear they want so they can take it back to pve. And since the population is so low to where p2+ is falling into games with low golds and top silvers, we can't avoid these throws like this.

Match manipulation like this is out of control in NA. We can't even get GGs in ranked anymore. Easily 3 out of 4 games you queue in NA ranked will be a complete sh**show that isn't even fun because you're either winning 500 to 100 with AFKs on other team or you're losing 100 to 500 because you have AFKs on your team.

People aren't even classic win-trading at this point because it's a lot easier to just run windowed alts for the AFK because Arenanet for whatever reason doesn't take action against this stuff.

I see thread discussions lately where NA players are saying: "Why is there so much AFKing lately?" Well this is why. Just a lot of windowed alt throws.

Edited by Trevor Boyer.6524
  • Thanks 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

Not sure if you are understanding how bad it is in NA. NA population is way lower than EU which equates to synch queues being much easier to perform.

We have middle/low tiered players in NA doing super assy stuff like "run a duo load into match as double thief, synch queue a windowed account into the game where the character is also a thief so it ensures being placed on opposing team, then have the windowed thief alt afk for easy game" and of course they can decline queue if the windowed alt doesn't make it in.

A lot of these players aren't even doing this for clout. They do it to farm game wins for the sake of building the legendary gear they want so they can take it back to pve. And since the population is so low to where p2+ is falling into games with low golds and top silvers, we can't avoid these throws like this.

Match manipulation like this is out of control in NA. We can't even get GGs in ranked anymore. Easily 3 out of 4 games you queue in NA ranked will be a complete sh**show that isn't even fun because you're either winning 500 to 100 with AFKs on other team or you're losing 100 to 500 because you have AFKs on your team.

People aren't even classic win-trading at this point because it's a lot easier to just run windowed alts for the AFK because Arenanet for whatever reason doesn't take action against this stuff.

I see thread discussions lately where NA players are saying: "Why is there so much AFKing lately?" Well this is why. Just a lot of windowed alt 

 Only chances are a gw3 or if some other company decides to copy paste gw2 combat system into a new pvp oriented game. 

 

I hope for riot mmo to be that one.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 hours ago, Alin.2468 said:

This game is an MMO. It should be about teams, not about soloQ or duoQ. It should be about people gathering together in guilds dedicated to PvP to form teams and fight together, not everybody in their own little world without communication in a fast-paced game,

And this right here is the problem. What you say makes sense if GW2's fundamental design had a competitive PvP scene as a priority, but it doesn't.

Instead, the game's primary character, the thing that sets it apart from every other game that wishes it was WoW, is precisely to make a PvE game where "everybody in their own little world without communication in a fast-paced game" can just randomly come together to clear an event, kill a world boss, nab a hard combat HP, etc. That's kind of the magic of this game - it gets rid of SO much overhead that classic MMOs used to have, in terms of needing to form parties in town, then adventure forth to get some specific thing done. 

Any community-based sPvP restructuring is fighting this foundational "alone, but randomly together when necessary" character of the game. Waiting for ANet to "fix" the pvp community is like waiting for them to magically put elementalist in the right spot. You're free to wait as long as you want, but don't get mad at us when your hopes go unfulfilled. We told you so.

Edited by voltaicbore.8012
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...