arazoth.7290 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 the offensive part of holo with their cc combined is too offensive oppressive, too much damage combined with cc which they can keep going if played right. With upcoming stability nerfs this will become even more a threat and the engineer buffs to them. 4 7 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASP.8093 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 IME Holosmith doesn't hit as hard as Willbender, or spam as much CC (the elite CC is awesome but it's also got a bigger animation than Death's Judgement). I'm not saying it sucks, but, like, it's weird to single it out as a problematic class when Holo hasn't been top dog since the Grenade Barrage nerf. 5 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I also share some concerns around the planned buffs to holo....https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/topic/124282-what-will-be-the-impact-of-all-the-buffs-on-pvp-holo/#comment-1799152 There is a tipping point, where-by its burst leaves an opponent with a chance to mitigate and recover... vs. its basically a full delete against some classes that don't have the tools to survive it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 My other thought is.... do you think giving Holo more burst ability and damage with its CC is going to make entry to PvP more enticing for newcomers? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, arazoth.7290 said: the offensive part of holo with their cc combined is too offensive oppressive, too much damage combined with cc which they can keep going if played right. With upcoming stability nerfs this will become even more a threat and the engineer buffs to them. What are the major stability nerfs? Honestly it seemed to me a like a CC heavy meta already.... do they really want to remove more player agency by eliminating stability? Most scrapper builds have zero stability as it is.... Edited November 14, 2022 by shion.2084 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noneHotBuildTest.7251 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) On 11/14/2022 at 4:17 AM, arazoth.7290 said: the offensive part of holo with their cc combined is too offensive oppressive, too much damage combined with cc which they can keep going if played right. With upcoming stability nerfs this will become even more a threat and the engineer buffs to them. That is not "Prohibited posts" or "Datamined or Leaked Content". NO MORE BAN PLS. -------------------------------------------------------------- Holo definitely overwhelming, they need nerf not buff. Engineer has been meta since pof, why should we make it the best nuker in the game now. Edited November 15, 2022 by noneHotBuildTest.7251 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noneHotBuildTest.7251 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 On 11/14/2022 at 11:21 PM, shion.2084 said: My other thought is.... do you think giving Holo more burst ability and damage with its CC is going to make entry to PvP more enticing for newcomers? That is not "Prohibited posts" or "Datamined or Leaked Content" or "Duplicate Posts" NO MORE BAN PLS. -------------------------------------------------------------- There have one class, they farm noob really hard, it's engineer, and holo is one of the best "bad player punishment" . holo should not exist or every newcomers will no place on pvp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodama.6453 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 6 hours ago, noneHotBuildTest.7251 said: That is not "Prohibited posts" or "Datamined or Leaked Content" or "Duplicate Posts" NO MORE BAN PLS. -------------------------------------------------------------- There have one class, they farm noob really hard, it's engineer, and holo is one of the best "bad player punishment" . holo should not exist or every newcomers will no place on pvp. An experienced holosmith farms bad players. A new/bad holosmith might as well kill themselves because of the overheat mechanic. There are better classes to play if you want to "farm noobs". 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shao.7236 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 You need lots of multi-hits and unblockables to match holosmiths, can say that much with the boons and blinds they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix.2386 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Holo is fine, explosive entrance blind/daze spam is toxic 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Holo is strong, but only in the right hands, just how it should be. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noneHotBuildTest.7251 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Holo is too strong, the best Duelist and DPS, Duelist specs are not supposed to DPS on top! Every other Duelist spec has been nerfed throughout and holo still gone top of them all. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miriforst.1290 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, noneHotBuildTest.7251 said: Support specs are not supposed to DPS on top! Every other support spec has been nerfed throughout and scrapper still gone top of them all. 1 hour ago, noneHotBuildTest.7251 said: Holo is too strong, the best Duelist and DPS, Duelist specs are not supposed to DPS on top! Every other Duelist spec has been nerfed throughout and holo still gone top of them all. There is high effort, low effort and then there's NHBT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakcoco.4287 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 21 hours ago, noneHotBuildTest.7251 said: Holo is too strong, the best Duelist and DPS, Duelist specs are not supposed to DPS on top! Every other Duelist spec has been nerfed throughout and holo still gone top of them all. HO, holo got buff when it turn into red, Particle Accelerator got 0.1 k damage buff when you wear berserker gear...... You most have alien tech to cool you weapon, or you don't have enough heat to do damage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endorphin.9147 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 sd drd thief does ok into that holo build actually 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Endorphin.9147 said: sd drd thief does ok into that holo build actually can confirm. Sword Daredevil shreds toolsholo, given the fact that you sliiightly outskill him. But just a tad. You dont have to be a god. p/d core will shred toolsholo any day tho. Even if u are monke Edited December 2, 2022 by Sahne.6950 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endorphin.9147 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 12 hours ago, Sahne.6950 said: can confirm. Sword Daredevil shreds toolsholo, given the fact that you sliiightly outskill him. But just a tad. You dont have to be a god. p/d core will shred toolsholo any day tho. Even if u are monke Yeah its funny, I think a big part is people are not used to fighting SD thief anymore, but it has a lot of the tools in its kit to kind of deny what the holo was good at doing vs shadow arts thief builds. Do you run deadly arts like I do or acro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noneHotBuildTest.7251 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 On 12/3/2022 at 6:50 AM, Endorphin.9147 said: Yeah its funny, I think a big part is people are not used to fighting SD thief anymore, but it has a lot of the tools in its kit to kind of deny what the holo was good at doing vs shadow arts thief builds. Do you run deadly arts like I do or acro? You can whack holo by thief, but holo can farm other class hard with top tier mobility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyBat.9034 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 11 hours ago, noneHotBuildTest.7251 said: You can whack holo by thief, but holo can farm other class hard with top tier mobility. Except Untamed which hard counters it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noneHotBuildTest.7251 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 13 hours ago, SleepyBat.9034 said: Except Untamed which hard counters it. But there has no one play ranger on really match. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noneHotBuildTest.7251 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 On 12/2/2022 at 10:57 AM, Endorphin.9147 said: sd drd thief does ok into that holo build actually But Engi are ridiculously easy to use + stronger than most of li build = OP 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noneHotBuildTest.7251 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 On 1/11/2023 at 12:46 AM, SleepyBat.9034 said: Except Untamed which hard counters it. But Untamed get big nerf which make that have no counter now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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