Aodlop.1907 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) I made a thread that started gaining attention, and people seemed to agree with me. This state was about ArenaNet's overall views on PvP, and their decision to ignore it and stop producing content for it, for the most part. Since the thread had the word "PvP" in it, it was moved from General Discussion to the PvP forums, and now it's basically a dead thread because nobody visits the PvP forums in the first place. I feel like it's an important decision to have, and I'd like it to have more visibility. As such, I humbly ask the forum moderators to bring it back here. Here's the thread in question: Edited November 20, 2022 by Aodlop.1907 5 1 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HnRkLnXqZ.1870 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) Ran into a similar situation a few months ago. Made a topic about new story-related content idea, but as I had "Fractals" in the title, the moderator moved it straight into the instanced content board. Technically 100 % correct. But you can probably guess what answers I've got. It was quite hilarious to say the least. If I knew that in the first place, I would not have bothered writing the whole thing which took me quite a chunk of my freetime. We finally have active moderation, which is great. As far as I've understood, they do not play the game and work with some kinds of spreadsheets to sort the threads into the different boards. Your request is not completely impossible. I've seen them reverting thread-movements on request. If I was you, I would have just reported my own topic explaining the situation. Instead of making a new topic. Good luck! Edited November 20, 2022 by HnRkLnXqZ.1870 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanBB.4268 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Why wouldn't a topic about pvp be in the pvp board? You want pve-only players responding to it? 7 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, DeanBB.4268 said: Why wouldn't a topic about pvp be in the pvp board? You want pve-only players responding to it? Yeah, the question about "little care about pvp" mostly concerns players actually pvping so I find it weird OP finds it somehow weird. 1 hour ago, HnRkLnXqZ.1870 said: Technically 100 % correct. Best kind of correct 😄 Edited November 20, 2022 by Sobx.1758 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aodlop.1907 Posted November 20, 2022 Author Share Posted November 20, 2022 49 minutes ago, DeanBB.4268 said: Why wouldn't a topic about pvp be in the pvp board? You want pve-only players responding to it? This is "general discussion" though, not the "PvE-only" forum. Again, I repeat: the thread had a good momentum, upvotes and discussions before being moved to the PvP forums, and now it's dead. 2 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoni.7015 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 It’s a thread about PvP and belongs in the PvP section. 5 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashberry.4510 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Be very careful with your titles I guess. Forum is kind of a wasteland right after the mods come in, sure doesn’t help discussion. Maybe thats the idea. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuks.8241 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Yeah they kill so many threads like that. I guess "gw2" discussion means ow pve with this game. You cant have a more general discussion on pvp in relation to the rest of the game on these forums, you get immediatly swept to dedicated forums where views are heavily skewed. 5 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuks.8241 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 31 minutes ago, Hashberry.4510 said: Be very careful with your titles I guess. Forum is kind of a wasteland right after the mods come in, sure doesn’t help discussion. Maybe thats the idea. Yeah they are killing the forums. Too many sub forums and excessive moderation. The last topic on first page of "GW2 discussion" is 20 hours old right now. That pretty much means dead forum. Also it completely splits the discussions so you cant really have a general discussion. Pvp forums is fine if you want to have in depth discussion on spvp, you'll get answers from people that pvp. But if you want to have a more general discussion of pvp in relation to other modes which I guess completely fits the "GW2 general discussion" you dont go to pvp forums because youll pretty much only get pvp crowd point of view. 6 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cuks.8241 said: The last topic on first page of "GW2 discussion" is 20 hours old right now. That pretty much means dead forum. wat. Whole first page has posts within 17h, majority within 4. I fail to see how not being spammed with new thread (instead of participating in existing ones) every minute or even hour somehow makes any forum "dead". This claim doesn't make sense to me at all. Edited November 20, 2022 by Sobx.1758 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuks.8241 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said: wat. Whole first page has posts within 17h, majority within 4. I fail to see how not being spammed with new thread (instead of participating in existing ones) every minute or even hour somehow makes any forum "dead". This claim doesn't make sense to me at all. I am a member of small private niche forums with more activity than that. This is a game with thousands of active players. Compare it to gw2 reddit or similar games' forums. This forums is dead for an official game forum for a game which boasts such a player base. Now I acknowledge that forums are not what they used to be as far as social media are concerned. But its still dead as far as such forums goes. And stalling discussions with over moderation and segregation doesnt help at all. I did mean thread with posts as far back as 20h. My bad there. Edited November 20, 2022 by Cuks.8241 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya.9075 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 But the topic is about pvp. Why would it not belong there 👀 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randulf.7614 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 They get moved because someone likely reported it and flagged it to be moved. If you think it should be in general (which doesn’t make any sense, but it’s your thread), then report it and put a comment about why you think it should be in here instead. Contrary to popular belief, I’m pretty certain the mods don’t just hang around waiting to jump on threads. They likely act mostly on reports, so this thread isn’t really going to do anything. You are better off flagging your original one via the report function. They have restored threads to their original place before if justified. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 51 minutes ago, Cuks.8241 said: I am a member of small private niche forums with more activity than that. This is a game with thousands of active players. Compare it to gw2 reddit or similar games' forums. This forums is dead for an official game forum for a game which boasts such a player base. Now I acknowledge that forums are not what they used to be as far as social media are concerned. But its still dead as far as such forums goes. And stalling discussions with over moderation and segregation doesnt help at all. I did mean thread with posts as far back as 20h. My bad there. Wonder what the meritorical value of those posts is though because somehow I expect them to be mostly the equivalent of the recent "GIEF BOOBA" thread which is still on the first page right now. Not sure why you'd try to judge anything just by sheer volume/frequency of posts outside of any other -actually more meaningful- context to pronounce any forum as "dead" (and even when going by that, it still just isn't). I suspect the overal goal is still for the players to play the game instead of spamming the forums. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuks.8241 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said: Wonder what the meritorical value of those posts is though because somehow I expect them to be mostly the equivalent of the recent "GIEF BOOBA" thread which is still on the first page right now. Not sure why you'd try to judge anything just by sheer volume/frequency of posts outside of any other -actually more meaningful- context to pronounce any forum as "dead" (and even when going by that, it still just isn't). I suspect the overal goal is still for the players to play the game instead of spamming the forums. Everything doesn't need to be meaningful. It can be also fun or just some chatter discussion. Gief booba is just fine if its fun for enough users. High segregation of sub-forums is fine if you have a highly active forum because otherwise threads get buried to fast. If you barely fill the first page in 24 hours on the most active sub-forum and you have 25 active users in prime time (EU prime time) weekend you probably dont want to have 19 sub-forums (28 if you count profession forums). Right now you can't post a general topic in GW2 discussion if it touches pvp, WvW or instanced content. You might want feedback from general user base on pvp, WvW, raid topics. For example if you have a proposal to get more players into pvp you don't ask players that are already playing, you go and ask players that are not playing it but might do it. Well you can't get feedback on this forum because as soon as a mod comes it will get moved into specialised forums where you will only get niche feedback. 4 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Inch Snails.7963 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Randulf.7614 said: Contrary to popular belief, I’m pretty certain the mods don’t just hang around waiting to jump on threads. They likely act mostly on reports, so this thread isn’t really going to do anything Yep there are handful of people here that spend a lot of time playing want to be moderator. Once you see some posts from them it isn't hard to figure out who they are. They spend a lot of time here looking for threads and posts to report because I guess it gives them some sense of power or control. It's actually really sad. I often wonder what they will do with their lives once this game shut down and the forums are closed. 1 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent.6137 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Personally, I'm not interested in sPvP. So will not read it regardless of where it is. However, there are way too many sub-forums and I don't even bother to visit them. Although there is a need for sub-forums to keep it somewhat organized, there are too many and most of them should be consolidated. I might be interested in certain topics regarding Living World but I almost never bother to go there. To help foster a livelier forum, I do think they require a reorganization. Game Discussion - Guild Wars 2 General Discussion (includes LW, Festivals, Lore), Players Helping Players, Professions (all in one main sub-forum), Specialized Game Modes (includes PvP, WvW & Instanced). Community Corner - Looking for Guild, Community (includes Events, Creations & Roleplaying), API development. Players interested in specific contents, especially new players, will not be so overwhelmed and will be able to browse the forums easier. And by easier, I meant not having to click on sub-forums after sub-forums. For the particular thread in question, it should be in Specialized Game Modes. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HnRkLnXqZ.1870 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 As far as I remember, moderation is one of the few topics we are not allowed to talk about here anyway. I expect 1 warning point for participating here and the topic being deleted once the first moderator sets their foot into the forums again. What this topic showed is that there are people who are not interested in certain topics being discussed properly. Because they fear the outcome could change the game in a negative way. With every year the list of possible topics being discussed here is getting smaller anyway. The board slowly converts into a complaint-counter. Posts like "no" and "I want resources be spent elsewhere" are more popular actual content. We have the users who downvote topics of certain users, no matter what they talk about. We have people who write with multiple accounts. As well as the freetime-moderators, who report what ever does not fit into their mindest. Removing certain opinions from the board will cost us diversity and credibility in the long term. The streamers already mock us, because we are some kind of competition to them. They earn money with attention. Every user who goes to the official forums does not watch their streams. Their audiences already avoid this board, because of the shaming. If you do not like certain topics you are free to avoid them or write your discontent. But spamming them with empty phrases or 'banning' them from being discussed properly harms this board and its credibility. 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patton the great.7126 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Sweep the body under the rug, no one will notice shhhhhhh. -Gw2 "everything is fine as long as I get fishing. Capes. And lord willing player housing" crowd. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilkemia.8507 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 As many others have pointed out, the title of the thread included PvP and was about PvP. Moreover, this thread isn't the first one to pop up in the general tab but only regard PvP in particular recently (one of a few recent threads criticizing downstate in PvP popped up here as well), so whatever moderation there is now is likely focusing on this section in particular. The claim that no one visits the PvP forums is also incorrect, as the replies to the thread and others have shown. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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