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A Reaper Build That Has No Problem Getting Hit: The Immortal Valkyrie


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4 hours ago, Dr Meta.3158 said:

If you ruin the experience of others by making things harder for them for your own selfish gratification, they're not going to be happy about that, obviously.

If you think that's harsh, then you should try automated tournaments.

Sure but that's on the team to make sure they don't have people on the team that ruin their experience. People should not be making choices for how they play based on the sensitivities of others. 

I mean, who here isn't playing the game for their own selfish gratification? We are all here because it's fun and it's a hobby for some people (or at least it should be). If we are going to talk about things being 'harder' for people in the team, then the best way to reduce that difficulty is for people to play builds they are familiar with and understand. That's not necessarily meta, nor does it have to be. 

Seems for some reason, players that push meta think their own selfish gratification is more important than the self gratification of someone that doesn't play meta. 

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35 minutes ago, Obtena.7952 said:

Sure but that's on the team to make sure they don't have people on the team that ruin their experience. People should not be making choices for how they play based on the sensitivities of others. 

I agree, then you kick them out of the group.

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I mean, who here isn't playing the game for their own selfish gratification? We are all here because it's fun and it's a hobby for some people (or at least it should be). If we are going to talk about things being 'harder' for people in the team, then the best way to reduce that difficulty is for people to play builds they are familiar with and understand. That's not necessarily meta, nor does it have to be. 

I agree, you play by the rules of the group or you find another group that plays by the rules you agree to. If you can't find one, you play alone. 

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Seems for some reason, players that push meta think their own selfish gratification is more important than the self gratification of someone that doesn't play meta. 

Because usually that one person not playing the meta is in the wrong group. This is something that should be almost intuitive by this point if you were properly socialized as a child. You don't get to do whatever the hell you want. You have to play within the constraints of the rules of the group or you get ostracized from the group.

I'm not talking to Obtena specifically example. To reasons (everyone knows why) but rather explaining this to everyone using Obtena as an exanple.

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Don't miss the point here. If people don't want their team game experience ruined by team mates, it's their responsibility to filter potentials on the team creation side. That's not what my posts are talking about. My post is referring to how metapushers try to influence players from using non-meta builds by downgrading non-meta build value or insulting non-meta players in forum discussions.

Anyone's self gratification from playing the game is as relevant as anyone else's. The problem comes when meta proponents use their own self-gratification to justify psyops to influence how others play. That just isn't acceptable because the game is designed so people can play how they want with a wide range of builds. If people are sensitive to being in teams with non-optimal players, then that sensitivity should start and end at team creation. 

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7 hours ago, Dr Meta.3158 said:

If you ruin the experience of others by making things harder for them for your own selfish gratification, they're not going to be happy about that, obviously.

If you think that's harsh, then you should try automated tournaments.

Dude, your understanding of the disparity between the build I'm suggesting and the meta build is incredibly poor. There are literally zero groups that I and most other players could find ourselves in where the dps numbers on the Immortal Valkyrie build would ruffle anyone's feathers. At most, it's an 8-9% dps loss when conditions are perfect, and when things are going poorly, it's much less than that or the disparity is even flipped and the Immortal Valkyrie Reaper build is doing higher damage.

Players like you who start an inquisition every time they lead or join a group aren't playing with me the vast majority of the time, and I promise you wouldn't know the difference between me on the valkyrie build and your average meta reaper player from looking at the dps numbers. You'd only know if you started clicking through all your allies, interrogating them before the pull had even begun.

And, to me, that makes you the person hurting others for your own selfish gratification. Not the people trying to play a build that works better for them.

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I am incapable of understanding, more hp means you need more healing. Which also means you need to be more careful to keep 90% scholar. You lose so much for no reason, honestly speaking you just need to stack on tag, thats like 0 work, literally stop using wasd when you are on tag and you won't get hit at all. Stick to tag as if he/she is your lover.

 

Are you playing mini game of dancing when everyone fighting boss? perhaps some nice wasd combo to make your dps lower and get hit on purpose?

 

TLDR: I see a wall of text, didn't bother. Also reaper main, no problems anywhere, easily carrying anyone in fractals, setting trademark bench to force other dps perform better.

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1 hour ago, mandala.8507 said:

Dude, your understanding of the disparity between the build I'm suggesting and the meta build is incredibly poor. There are literally zero groups that I and most other players could find ourselves in where the dps numbers on the Immortal Valkyrie build would ruffle anyone's feathers. At most, it's an 8-9% dps loss when conditions are perfect, and when things are going poorly, it's much less than that or the disparity is even flipped and the Immortal Valkyrie Reaper build is doing higher damage.

Players like you who start an inquisition every time they lead or join a group aren't playing with me the vast majority of the time, and I promise you wouldn't know the difference between me on the valkyrie build and your average meta reaper player from looking at the dps numbers. You'd only know if you started clicking through all your allies, interrogating them before the pull had even begun.

And, to me, that makes you the person hurting others for your own selfish gratification. Not the people trying to play a build that works better for them.

You're so angry you're not even using logic anymore.

First off, I don't do end game pve so whatever goes on with pve, I could care less. I don't even care about the whole 35k dps debacle though I understand the plight of people being shafted by the balance team regardless of the few odd people that think being outclassed by supports in your only role of dps is good because it fits their weird fanfic role play or whatever.

What I'm stating to you and everyone else that wants to be part of a specific group is that you all need to understand that the needs of the group comes before your needs. If you can't accept that, do not be upset if you're kicked from the group. That goes for any group in a game or not. As teenagers or adults, you should have understood this concept by the time you were 5 years old. But just incase it wasn't clear then, hopefully it is clear now.

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2 minutes ago, Dr Meta.3158 said:

First off, I don't do end game pve so whatever goes on with pve, I could care less. I don't even care about the whole 35k dps debacle though I understand the plight of people being shafted by the balance team regardless of the few odd people that think being outclassed by supports in your only role of dps is good because it fits their weird fanfic role play or whatever.

If you don't even play endgame PvE, why are you commenting on the strength of a build in endgame PvE? That's wild.

And the phrase you're looking for is "I couldn't care less".

Even people who don't play the content are participating in the disinformation campaign, it seems.

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This thread is just a cesspool of people talking over each other and not listening.

End game PvE has almost been trivialized by the amount of power creep in the game.

Ultimately the goal is to get a smooth clear, so that everyone can get their loot and move on with their lives.

Play what you want, but if you notice  the team is struggling to get the clear. Then you have a duty to make changes to your build and playstyle to help the team succeed. Regardless of whoever is pulling their weight or not.

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11 minutes ago, mandala.8507 said:

If you don't even play endgame PvE, why are you commenting on the strength of a build in endgame PvE? That's wild.

And the phrase you're looking for is "I couldn't care less".

Even people who don't play the content are participating in the disinformation campaign, it seems.

Because I have to do pve sometimes and whatever mechanical changes occur for the sake of pve also affects pve. So I care a little. Which then leads to the fact that I could care less.

Also my case in this thread isn't about "disinformation". It's about quelling the excuses for narcissistic behavior which is affecting every game mode especially since the steam release.

Also @Zex Anthon.8673 is spot on. Endgame pve/pvp/wvw is a team effort.

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1 minute ago, Zex Anthon.8673 said:

Play what you want, but if you notice  the team is struggling to get the clear. Then you have a duty to make changes to your build and playstyle to help the team succeed. Regardless of whoever is pulling their weight or not.

Totally agree. When someone is living in downstate on their glass cannon catalyst build and their team is struggling with the clear, it's their job to realize that build might not be the right fit for the group instead of screaming at everyone for not playing "correctly" and scapegoating the people in off-meta builds.

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16 hours ago, mandala.8507 said:

Totally agree. When someone is living in downstate on their glass cannon catalyst build and their team is struggling with the clear, it's their job to realize that build might not be the right fit for the group instead of screaming at everyone for not playing "correctly" and scapegoating the people in off-meta builds.

Cata is a very durable build with quite a lot of build in sustain. Has more healing than your reaper and is much more useful. Cata is right for every group. Just not optimal everywhere but still decent. You can even take elite glyph for a 6k team heal on short cd for a minor dps loss.

If you would have said team is struggling with cc you would have a point but otherwise? Cata is not a glass cannon. It has ~16k selfheal every 16sec with elite glyph. 6k of that being aoe. +20% allstats and -15% incoming dmg.

Can the glass ele downstate meme just die? Cata is not glass and even weaver has as much hp as a medium class from years ago with jadebot and new repair armor buff.

 

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With traits like soul eater, doing more damage give you more substain. Paradoxically trading dps for passive defence lowers your substain. 

Off meta builds are bad because they are full of meme traits, if reaper didnt have 5 of their 9 trait choices as complete worthless picks there would be build diversity. But anet refuses to fix the meme traits because "flavor".

Augury of death needs to stop life stealing and just do strike damage this allows precision and ferocity yo actually be worth the investment.

Relentless Persuit need to act like one with air and give 1.5 sec of superspeed to keep up with the movement powercreep

Defile Defenses need to trade some crit chance for strike damage, reaper is in the bad spot where most of the benefits from this trait are wasted from overcapping. In all builds it is just better to take souleater and just get to crit cap with assassin pieces, runes and or sigil swaps.

The other two traits are supposed to be bruiser traits, and I will not even pretend on how to fix them.

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