Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) so, with the new changes I lost my perfect 100% critical chance with fury in both my full Berserker's and full Marauder's so, I came up with these builds for Berserker's: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSQAEOSXmNbA-zRRYBRx3tYQIlREFVFJqtHAB286/SDA-e http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSQAEOSXlNbA-zRRYBRxVtYIVlREFQFJgtHAB286/SDA-e http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSQAEOSXmNbA-zRRYBRxpuYoKlREFVFJqtHAB283/kEABA-e http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSQAEOSXmNbA-zRIYRU8XG1moVUUmcAEo7nymXADAA-e which one should be better? That random Marauder trinket in the first one really triggers my OCD and I don't trust Scholar Runes tho. Edited November 30, 2022 by Arianth Moonlight.6453 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 hmm, Scholar obviously has more dmg but it's not really that much. Eagle does slightly less BUT it also has a 7% bonus against stunned foes which I can't test in the golem (there is no option for that, right?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Eagle is 10% vs under 50% health (which means ~5% overall). You must be confusing it with Impact Sigil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Infusion.7149 said: You must be confusing it with Impact Sigil. nope, I'm talking about the builds I linked. The one with Runes of the Eagle does have Sigil of Impact. The one with Scholar have Sigil of Accuracy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: nope, I'm talking about the builds I linked. The one with Runes of the Eagle does have Sigil of Impact. The one with Scholar have Sigil of Accuracy. Okay I just misread what you wrote then. You meant the setup you had with eagle rune rather than the rune itself. I still don't understand why you insinuate that the patch changed crit chance for the worse as the changes were straight buffs to power reaper. Could you explain that? To recap patch notes: Death Perception: Additional critical chance increased from 10% to 15% in PvE and WvW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Infusion.7149 said: I still don't understand why you insinuate that the patch changed crit chance for the worse I didn't say that. What I mean was that with 10% I had exactly 100% crit. chance with both my berserker and marauder gear. With the new 15% I had to change things to get exactly 100% again with berserker and I'm still trying to do the same with marauder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: I didn't say that. What I mean was that with 10% I had exactly 100% crit. chance with both my berserker and marauder gear. With the new 15% I had to change things to get exactly 100% again with berserker and I'm still trying to do the same with marauder. They aren't balancing based off of niche scenarios and certainly not on marauder as opposed to berserker and assassin gear mixes. Reaper was not crit capped with the original meta gear after the Death Perception change this year (hence thief rune) and most variants prior ran full zerk+scholar or some variation thereof with Eagle rune (even fast farming openworld build did prior to that change). I don't see how you could complain about a straight buff i.e. you did not "lose" anything unless you compare to patches before the Death Perception change this year in June. It dilutes the feedback to Arenanet IMO if they have to read threads like this. See https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Death_Perception/history Edited November 30, 2022 by Infusion.7149 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Infusion.7149 said: I don't see how you could complain about a straight buff where exactly I'm complaining? I want exactly 100% crit. chance. I never said it was a bad change, did I? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drarnor Kunoram.5180 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Swapping Thief to Eagle and adding 4 precision infusions gets you to exactly 100% crit chance with fury on straight Berserker's gear, no sigils needed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Drarnor Kunoram.5180 said: Swapping Thief to Eagle and adding 4 precision infusions gets you to exactly 100% crit chance with fury I know, my Eagle build it's already linked in the OP (the last one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 ok, with the change to Death Perception, I should now have 100% crit. Chance with my Marauder gear in WvW, so I guess that wasn't screwed up after all (having fury in WvW is kinda tricky but well). http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSgAEZuKb3A-zVRYBBBKGVfflRtpaFVl+HgA+9fAA-w 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 ok, these 2 deal about the same damage once you add the buffs. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSQAEOSXlNbA-zRRYBRxpuYoKlREFVFJqtHAB283/kEAphCnRAA-e http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSQAEOSXlNbA-zRIYRU8XG1moVUUmcAEo7nymXAjGKcGBA-e so, in my opinion the one with runes of the eagle is by far more reliable since the bonus works 100% of the time once the target is below 50% hp while the bonus from scholar can be lost very easily AND they both deal basically the same damage BUT this is excluding the bonus from Sigil of Impact against stunned foes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Alastor.3917 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 16 hours ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: ok, these 2 deal about the same damage once you add the buffs. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSQAEOSXlNbA-zRRYBRxpuYoKlREFVFJqtHAB283/kEAphCnRAA-e http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSQAEOSXlNbA-zRIYRU8XG1moVUUmcAEo7nymXAjGKcGBA-e so, in my opinion the one with runes of the eagle is by far more reliable since the bonus works 100% of the time once the target is below 50% hp while the bonus from scholar can be lost very easily AND they both deal basically the same damage BUT this is excluding the bonus from Sigil of Impact against stunned foes. Even considering just the +3% from impact, the Eagle pulls slightly ahead, in many scenarios. It is more reliable, but Scholar is more bursty, you'll notice Eagle losing depending on the situation, especially on cleave, since (if you're not playing alone) you won't really manage to deal all the bonus dmg you should during the <50% hp phase since you unleash your more powerful attacks at the start and mobs will implode away too soon so the dps race will be won by who bursted faster. Overall I guess it's a matter of preference tho, they're kinda similar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 51 minutes ago, Erick Alastor.3917 said: It is more reliable, but Scholar is more bursty I think I had a burst of 38k with Scholar but after setting my gear to Eagle, I went to the real world and the first thing I tried was Dragonstorm (relatively easy, both static and mobile targets, lots of adds) AND let's just say Scholar would have been a compete waste. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Alastor.3917 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: I think I had a burst of 38k with Scholar but after setting my gear to Eagle, I went to the real world and the first thing I tried was Dragonstorm (relatively easy, both static and mobile targets, lots of adds) AND let's just say Scholar would have been a compete waste. Yup. That's kinda what I meant. When you're not confident the burst will be enough to close a fight or that u can maintain the scholar buff then eagle pulls ahead in the long run since it's more reliable. I just wanted to point out that scholar can also be better depending from what situation you're in, thus it's a matter of preference or specific scenarios. Edited December 1, 2022 by Erick Alastor.3917 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderZ.9146 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 If you need fury why not use the Fireworks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acanthus.8120 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I'd like to throw my hat into the ring. I did math to come up with this. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSlAEZlRw0YcsLWJOaXlNbA-zRRYihLfOqWGhRVqmVVmPEx45PpCohCnWAA-e If you don't want to run signets, take awaken the pain and you should see similar results still. There's a slight dps loss with this (mine has food, so slightly more than it shows), but having 6000 more hp than the other builds should make up for it, and Eagle runes should be more widely applicable since Scholar can easily be disabled when you're mostly melee. Also switch out Sigil of Night for Impact if you're so inclined. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted December 1, 2022 Author Share Posted December 1, 2022 2 hours ago, SpiderZ.9146 said: If you need fury why not use the Fireworks? is that worth it? 2 hours ago, Acanthus.8120 said: I did math to come up with this. nice! I tried to use Dragon's but couldn't figure out the right combination. I'm missing the rings for my second set of ascended trinkets so maybe I'll go for the ones with Dragon stats! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 30 minutes ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: is that worth it? Maybe If you're playing alone... But you might as well slot Dread and/or "Chilled to the bone!" if you're gonna play alone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted December 1, 2022 Author Share Posted December 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dadnir.5038 said: slot Dread and/or "Chilled to the bone!" if you're gonna play alone yeah, that's what I thought. CttB is really impressive now for solo PvE! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Alastor.3917 Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 On 12/1/2022 at 8:36 AM, Acanthus.8120 said: I'd like to throw my hat into the ring. I did math to come up with this. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSlAEZlRw0YcsLWJOaXlNbA-zRRYihLfOqWGhRVqmVVmPEx45PpCohCnWAA-e If you don't want to run signets, take awaken the pain and you should see similar results still. There's a slight dps loss with this (mine has food, so slightly more than it shows), but having 6000 more hp than the other builds should make up for it, and Eagle runes should be more widely applicable since Scholar can easily be disabled when you're mostly melee. Also switch out Sigil of Night for Impact if you're so inclined. You could consider Summon Shadow Fiend instead of Spectral Armor, to gain some passive dps, soft cc and get back some life force too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repone.5786 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Just logged in there to thank you @Arianth Moonlight.6453 I have probably less knowledge than you on this game, and was trying to find something a good gear combination with Eagle runes. You brought me the missing piece of the equation, which is swapping the Accuracy sigil for Impact. Eureka! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted December 11, 2022 Author Share Posted December 11, 2022 On 12/10/2022 at 6:58 AM, Repone.5786 said: Just logged in there to thank you @Arianth Moonlight.6453 I have probably less knowledge than you on this game, and was trying to find something a good gear combination with Eagle runes. You brought me the missing piece of the equation, which is swapping the Accuracy sigil for Impact. Eureka! you're welcome! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arianth Moonlight.6453 Posted December 11, 2022 Author Share Posted December 11, 2022 oh, and just because why not, exactly 100% critical chance with no pants! http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PSgAEZlFwOYVMF2IOSXlNbA-zxQYhQvvjqpMqNVroqMp3AIQ92/kLASDFOjAVA-e 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallow.7368 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 On 11/29/2022 at 7:51 PM, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said: hmm, Scholar obviously has more dmg but it's not really that much. Eagle does slightly less BUT it also has a 7% bonus against stunned foes which I can't test in the golem (there is no option for that, right?) Generally speaking eagle DPS simulations take into consideration that it's damage boost on low health enemies is only active 50% of the fight (since it only is active while the boss is half hp). While scholars simulations assume that you have basically 100% uptime which means never dipping below 90% HP. I prefer usually running eagle runes on power builds since they're a lot cheaper and the damage mod condition is a constant and the dps differences is never really that much. The difference shown for reaper between scholar and eagle for reaper is honestly the smallest I've ever seen it's basically non existent. https://gyazo.com/2c4ec0227e1d4c5a5ecac41463dc742d 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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