4th elite spec

[Grand Marshal.4098]

On 1/13/2023 at 4:02 PM, draxynnic.3719 said:

Those things don't really go together. None of the Mursaat used melee weapons - they were exclusively casters, so a sceptre would be far more appropriate. Optimus Caliph specifically was an elementalist, so apart from Spectral Agony, it would likely be elementalist-like abilities rather than the sort of abilities you're asking for.

It's ok, I'm here for the roleplay frfr

And the new busted WvW roamer build that will somehow be better than Salvation Vindi, which is better than Retri Rene, which was better than Deva Herald (power dmg only ofc). 

[Fenom.9457]

On 1/10/2023 at 5:38 AM, draxynnic.3719 said:

I get the impression that ArenaNet doesn't want us channelling our own (former) antagonists. Partially, I think, because they don't want players going back and using that stance against the original, and partially because they've established that the PC feels dirty about it.

Instead, they seem to be lowering the bar to be a potential revenant legend.

I wouldn't consider all of history being open to us as lowering the bar. If anything removing characters from our own story RAISES the bar by forcing anet to be more creative with their legends than just ‘here’s another of your old villains’

[Yasai.3549]

4 hours ago, Fenom.9457 said:

I wouldn't consider all of history being open to us as lowering the bar. If anything removing characters from our own story RAISES the bar by forcing anet to be more creative with their legends than just ‘here’s another of your old villains’

Honestly, Anet are FAR BETTER at writing their villains than their heroes. 

Compare Logan Thackery to someone like Palawa Joko for example. Compare Braham (lmao) to Ryland. 

Edited January 15 by Yasai.3549

[Fueki.4753]

6 hours ago, Yasai.3549 said:

Honestly, Anet are FAR BETTER at writing their villains than their heroes. 

Compare Logan Thackery to someone like Palawa Joko for example. Compare Braham (lmao) to Ryland. 

I don't think it's exactly fair to compare low hanging fruits vs the absolute top end. Joko is the single best written character in the games.

Tyria has some potentially great characters that good proof great allies. Just because Logan is who he is written as, doesn't mean others, like Dougal Keane, couldn't be strong characters. I'll never understand why Arenanet refuses to use him. He is a fine and relatable character in the book.

Also, Braham and Ryland are both badly written characters, so that comparison doesn't support your argument.

[Kodama.6453]

On 1/13/2023 at 6:57 PM, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

I would think her myth would be pretty obvious, the awakening of Mordremoth and the destruction of LA and widespread villainy and chaos she caused Tyria during her time.

If her appearance via Mai Trin is to go by, then it's Scarlet, not Ceara.

She would obviously be tech and engineer focused which would influence her legend skills, and makes OH pistol an obvious choice, coupled with Mai herself using it.

It would be the obvious way to do a Rev/Engi cross class with a contemporary legend not Snaff.

Scarlet definitely used to be a great choice because of the huge impact she had on Tyria.

But ever since a revenant summoning Scarlet has become a strike mission, I just can't see them add it as an elite spec anymore. I just don't think they will make a strike mission into an elite spec like that.

Also.... pistol offhand as the weapon choice? Wasn't Scarlet's signature weapon the rifle? So if she really becomes the legend of a new e-spec, I can not see it coming with any other weapon than rifle.

[Yasai.3549]

5 hours ago, Fueki.4753 said:

I don't think it's exactly fair to compare low hanging fruits vs the absolute top end. Joko is the single best written character in the games.

Tyria has some potentially great characters that good proof great allies. Just because Logan is who he is written as, doesn't mean others, like Dougal Keane, couldn't be strong characters. I'll never understand why Arenanet refuses to use him. He is a fine and relatable character in the book.

Also, Braham and Ryland are both badly written characters, so that comparison doesn't support your argument.

There's just less interesting friendly modern Legends to be had anyway. The only one I can even think would be plausible was Trahearne, but even he was pretty shallow as a character. You could bring up an Almorra but she's pretty much incarnated as Willbenders for Guardians so if you invoke her as a Legend, there might be some issues with class identity. Eir... I honestly don't know how that would be unique other than suddenly giving Revenant Ranger abilities. 

The other actually great characters aren't dead yet, like Jhavi or Rythlock. 

Still no idea why they chose the legendary buttbuddies instead of Togo. 

Edited January 15 by Yasai.3549

[draxynnic.3719]

On 1/14/2023 at 12:44 AM, Fueki.4753 said:

Jalis didn't use a ranged hammer.

Ventari didn't use any weapon from what I remember.

Neither Glint nor Mallyx used weapons either.

Kalla's statue features a Greatsword, not a Shortbow.

Neither Archemorus nor Viktor used a Greatsword.

So far, the only Legend one can argue that lines up with its Revenant weapons is Shiro.

As one can easily see, the weapon is independent from the Legend. Thus, a Mursaat Legend doesn't need to have a ranged or magical weapon.

 

Jalis still used a hammer. Revenant changed how it was used, but it was still a hammer.

We never actually saw what weapon Ventari used. There's no evidence that he didn't use a staff.

Glint's shield represents one of her scales. Mallyx's weapons represent a fist and a claw.

There's no reason Kalla couldn't have a ranged weapon and a melee weapon.

Look closely at this moment in the Factions trailer, or at around the 2 minute mark. Besides, they clearly used single swords without a shield. Greatsword is a reasonable interpretation after Shiro had twin swords.

 

They all at least somewhat makes sense, even if some of the details have been decided more by gameplay considerations.

Mursaat using a melee martial weapon, however, goes against everything we know about them. Melee fighting is what jade armours and White Mantle stooges are for.

 

On 1/14/2023 at 2:39 AM, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

They kind of already teased Scarlet as a legend though... Expac 4 with Scarlet and OH Pistol is my guess.

They also kind of teased Joko as a legend... and then immediately followed up with the PC going "just this once, never again".

 

Likely, I think, to establish the principle that the PC doesn't like to channel their own antagonists. Which makes sense. The legends might not be the actual spirits of the individuals that they echo, but they are still an echo of the relevant personality. It's one thing to channel a villain from the past where the relationship might be somewhat impersonal, but would you REALLY want to be carrying a personality copy of a personal enemy around in your head? Especially one that enjoys taunts, manipulation, and possibly even gaslighting like Scarlet or Joko?

 

Not everything that an NPC demonstrates is destined to become available to players.

 

16 hours ago, Fenom.9457 said:

I wouldn't consider all of history being open to us as lowering the bar. If anything removing characters from our own story RAISES the bar by forcing anet to be more creative with their legends than just ‘here’s another of your old villains’

You're conflating separate observations. Joko at least would definitely have met the pre-Vindicator bar.

Prior to Vindicator, though, each of the legends with the possible exception of Mallyx (but we don't know enough of his history to say either way, except that he had to have done some impressive stuff to eclipse Jadoth as Abaddon's top general) were the focal point of a story which at the very least had a substantial influence of a major culture. Shiro and the Jade Wind shook all of Cantha. Ventari's writings shaped sylvari culture. Jalis presided over the literal transformation of the dwarfs. Glint hopefully goes without saying. Kalla's efforts reshaped charr society. It's probably not coincidence that Shiro and Jalis's capstone abilities reflect the Jade Wind and Rite of the Great Dwarf respectively, while Ventari Stance abilities entirely revolve around the tablet.

And then we had Viktor and Archemorus, whose significance is... they happened to be the champions of the Kurzicks and Luxons respectively at the time of the Jade Wind. They're just parts of Shiro's story. They possibly brokered a peace between the Kurzicks and the Luxons, but like the truce to fight Shiro (again) in Factions, it was short-lived, and both cultures were ultimately all but destroyed by the Ministry of Purity.

We were even told about the Stronghold heroes that they were mist champions rather than legends because they weren't significant enough to be revenant legends, but were similar enough to have some form of echo in the mists. And in that respect, I'd say that Turai is at least on the same level as the Alliance personalities - his most significant feat was temporarily defeating a more significant villain, he was a leader of a nation and founded a dynasty, he led an effort to achieve Ascension, and his ghost would help the heroes that would go on the claim Ascension. Half a decade ago, Turai didn't make the cut. Last year, Viktor and Archemorus did. That's the lowering of the bar.

If they were going to go with a human at all, Usuko would probably have been a better choice. Heck, if they'd done that, they could also have given us a Purist boss to fight using that legend, just as we've seen Purist bosses using several of the other EoD specs (and some pre-EoD specs). 

[Kulvar.1239]

On 1/10/2023 at 3:06 PM, Fueki.4753 said:

Varesh Ossa would be a good pick.

Revenant has a Shortage in both evil and female Legends.

I hope they don't go any lower than having two Legends in one, whose story is is already covered by a core Revenant Legend.

Please no more humans. We already have too many human legends. 3 Canthan humans even...

[Fueki.4753]

48 minutes ago, Kulvar.1239 said:

Please no more humans. We already have too many human legends. 3 Canthan humans even...

She might not be depicted as a human. But we also have a Margonite already, so she'd still cover the same race as another Legend.

[Kodama.6453]

1 hour ago, Kulvar.1239 said:

Please no more humans. We already have too many human legends. 3 Canthan humans even...

I vote for either a Hylek or Krait legend.

[LucianTheAngelic.7054]

On 1/10/2023 at 6:31 AM, DemonCrypto.6792 said:

I'm voting for scepter with Vizier Khilbron (for the ones who don't know that's the dude who sinked Orr)

I think a forbidden magique type of caster resonate pretty well with some of  revenant vibes

Thissss. So much potential for Vizier Khilbron! And then we'd have representation from every GW1 Campaign villain which would be awesome. Would love Scepter + Focus
Or Focus, but it changes your sword/mace skills to 900 range variants

[Dadnir.5038]

12 hours ago, Kodama.6453 said:

I vote for either a Hylek or Krait legend.

Would you leave some opportunity for the greatest and most marvelous of all the race GW's lore have? I mean... It would be Shi... Humm... Epic to have a Skriit as a legend! 

[Fueki.4753]

1 hour ago, Dadnir.5038 said:

Would you leave some opportunity for the greatest and most marvelous of all the race GW's lore have? I mean... It would be Shi... Humm... Epic to have a Skriit as a legend! 

The legendary Hivemind, that never stops chittering and is unaffected by the option to turn off (other) player chatter?

 

[Dadnir.5038]

1 hour ago, Fueki.4753 said:

The legendary Hivemind, that never stops chittering and is unaffected by the option to turn off (other) player chatter?

I thought more of a legendary Scavenger with skills that allow to get environmental bundles like thief's stolen items (in a way it would be like the skritt's skillset would filled with skills alike to how mantra used to be). F2 would draw energy of the mist to you, possibly having a negative effect on foes or a positif effect on allies and grant you a bundle based on the environment you're in (in a forest you could get a branch or an healing seed, in a marsh or city area you could find gunk to throw, on a beach or in water you could find plank, fishing net or bottle... etc.)

[Fenom.9457]

On 1/14/2023 at 6:12 PM, Yasai.3549 said:

Honestly, Anet are FAR BETTER at writing their villains than their heroes. 

Compare Logan Thackery to someone like Palawa Joko for example. Compare Braham (lmao) to Ryland. 

Not really a fair comparison when you can pick ANY hero against any villain.  For example, what if I replaced braham with canach? I like him way better than ryland, and I think most people agree. 

[Yasai.3549]

4 hours ago, Fenom.9457 said:

Not really a fair comparison when you can pick ANY hero against any villain.  For example, what if I replaced braham with canach? I like him way better than ryland, and I think most people agree. 

I'm specifically comparing people who have very high standing and potential to be a Legend. Logan is Pact Marshal, pretty important stuff. Braham literally became an avatar of angry and fire. 

Canach is an awesome character, but the likely chances of him being used as a template for a Legend is rare. I mean what are you even gonna get the Legend to do? Drop mines with all the utility and throw sarcastic remarks with his Elite? 

Edited January 16 by Yasai.3549

[draxynnic.3719]

Even if they hypothetically make the cut importance-wise (I'm not sure any do, although Joon might), allies have the problem that they're mostly professions that are already playable. I'm not really eager for Legendary Guardian Stance when I could just play guardian.

What's probably going to happen, as the expansion is likely to go into a completely new region, is that the legend will be someone we've never heard of that is important to that region. Which does have the advantage that they can design the stance purely around gameplay rather than trying to fit an existing character. But there are some norn and asura-associated characters that could still be considered.

[Eekasqueak.7850]

22 hours ago, Dadnir.5038 said:

I thought more of a legendary Scavenger with skills that allow to get environmental bundles like thief's stolen items (in a way it would be like the skritt's skillset would filled with skills alike to how mantra used to be). F2 would draw energy of the mist to you, possibly having a negative effect on foes or a positif effect on allies and grant you a bundle based on the environment you're in (in a forest you could get a branch or an healing seed, in a marsh or city area you could find gunk to throw, on a beach or in water you could find plank, fishing net or bottle... etc.)

I love this idea tbh 

[Yasai.3549]

22 hours ago, Dadnir.5038 said:

I thought more of a legendary Scavenger with skills that allow to get environmental bundles like thief's stolen items (in a way it would be like the skritt's skillset would filled with skills alike to how mantra used to be). F2 would draw energy of the mist to you, possibly having a negative effect on foes or a positif effect on allies and grant you a bundle based on the environment you're in (in a forest you could get a branch or an healing seed, in a marsh or city area you could find gunk to throw, on a beach or in water you could find plank, fishing net or bottle... etc.)

Can they steal boons (shinies) too? 

[Dadnir.5038]

53 minutes ago, Yasai.3549 said:

Can they steal boons (shinies) too? 

Do skriits steal things?

[Yasai.3549]

6 minutes ago, Dadnir.5038 said:

Do skriits steal things?

I mean, there have been Renown Heart activities regarding beating up Skritt to stop them from running away with items. 

[Dawanarth.4601]

Give us something that isn't a Human

 

Like Scarlet with Twin Pistols or Rifle

[Ravenwulfe.5360]

On 1/14/2023 at 6:12 PM, Yasai.3549 said:

Honestly, Anet are FAR BETTER at writing their villains than their heroes. 

Compare Logan Thackery to someone like Palawa Joko for example. Compare Braham (lmao) to Ryland. 

I don't know for every Joko you have a Scarlet so while pointing out the few outliers there are still just as many bad ones. I mean to your Logan you have Rytlock, to Eir you have Taimi (yes I consider Eir a bad character), and to Trahearne you have Blish and Gorrik. Core Tyria characters were just bland and uninteresting to a fault. Most of their replacements are good, minus Braham, but I put that on the Norn being uninteresting as a whole and just being unnecesarry for any plot to move forward. The whole thing between Braham and his mother was just forced contrivance, especially given those two's non-existent history, that even Rytlock summed it up nicely "Eir has no son" and even further down the line that Braham gets a gut punch from Eir directly from her mouth, despite them directly saying those two never interacted much if at all.

 

I mean I don't really need to mention how dumb Ankka's character never mind her whole reason for doing what she did was even stupider right? Her character was almost as bad as core GW2 characters to be blunt.

Edited January 18 by Ravenwulfe.5360

[ScottBroChill.3254]

Rev needs an edgy elite spec. We've had 3 good legends in a row, give us a scoundrel next time, a real rapscallion.

 

[Ravenwulfe.5360]

53 minutes ago, ScottBroChill.3254 said:

Rev needs an edgy elite spec. We've had 3 good legends in a row, give us a scoundrel next time, a real rapscallion.

 

You mean Shiro and Mallyx aren't edgey? Nevermind Kalla. I think that's pretty edgey too. And while Archemerous and Viktor might be weebs they are fairly bloodthirsty and edgey at each other too. I mean hell Archy talks to you constantly about how he can feel your anger rising, your bloood boiling, and how it's his turn to shine, and Viktor talks about how much he hates Archy. And don't get them started if you have Shiro as your alt Legend.

Edited January 18 by Ravenwulfe.5360