Grand Marshal.4098 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I want warrior to get a 1200 range port, fast paced assassin spec to roam with in WvW please! I swear Ill never say anything about Willy, Teef or Rev again if you do that! 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 minutes ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said: I want warrior to get a 1200 range port, fast paced assassin spec to roam with in WvW please! I swear Ill never say anything about Willy, Teef or Rev again if you do that! 1.2k range Earthshaker teleport sounds like very balanced gameplay. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenesis.6389 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Imagine guardians were one of the slowest classes in the beginning, now they're one of the most mobile with willbender, along with the best access to aegis and stability. If that isn't biased balancing I don't know what is. 6 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahkeus.8243 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Warrior is just about as mobile with your standard Spellbreaker build. Seems like kind of an odd class to bring up if you're going to argue against Willbender. 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Marshal.4098 Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, TrollingDemigod.3041 said: 1.2k range Earthshaker teleport sounds like very balanced gameplay. 100%, on a serious note things like that can be balanced. 1 minute ago, Dahkeus.8243 said: Warrior is just about as mobile with your standard Spellbreaker build. Seems like kind of an odd class to bring up if you're going to argue against Willbender. Only heavy with no ports. Only class with no 1200 range port? Sure let warrior be the lore accurate and friendly class! 1 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahkeus.8243 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said: Only heavy with no ports. Only class with no 1200 range port? Sure let warrior be the lore accurate and friendly class! So? Why would you care about a port on a class with as much mobility as war in WvW? Is the idea of a game where every class has the same ability fun to you or something? 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Marshal.4098 Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Dahkeus.8243 said: So? Why would you care about a port on a class with as much mobility as war in WvW? Is the idea of a game where every class has the same ability fun to you or something? How about you take a look at the current state of the game, if homogenization is your problem, and observe that asking (in a joke manner) for a port on warrior is actually not that crazy, considering all classes can get away from you anyway even with that ability! So yeah, Im willing to say warrior needs buffs. If you dont want warrior to get buffs idk, fair. I want an overpowered class to fight overpowered foes. If yall die to warriors then something is not right.. 2 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 38 minutes ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said: How about you take a look at the current state of the game, if homogenization is your problem, and observe that asking (in a joke manner) for a port on warrior is actually not that crazy, considering all classes can get away from you anyway even with that ability! So yeah, Im willing to say warrior needs buffs. If you dont want warrior to get buffs idk, fair. I want an overpowered class to fight overpowered foes. If yall die to warriors then something is not right.. Like most players I will always take additional buffing but not if that is just followed up with a session of nerf turnarounds. Haven't been to the War profession subforums in a bit now will have to take a look at the general thoughts. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telgum.6071 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Now warrior can blink too 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subversiontwo.7501 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said: I want warrior to get a 1200 range port, fast paced assassin spec to roam with in WvW please! I swear Ill never say anything about Willy, Teef or Rev again if you do that! If you set very specific conditions typical for one particular ability in the game, it is very hard to meet any such criteria, but that one button is also part of a larger package without which it is hardly relevant. The WB is a fast spec but it is not nearly as fast as some people drum it up to be. It also remains somewhat limited in the types of mobility that is valuable to a roamer (eg., escapability), which Warriors still have decent access to: namely directional leaps and exceptional/synergetic traits or mechanics. In short: an 8-second base, no-target leap that ignores soft crowd-control is a very powerful thing for roaming mobility and Warriors have always had the option to combine double-weapon- and utility leaps. They may not be 1200 or teleports but their combination is quite strong with low cooldowns, medium-rather-than-short reach and strong traited mechanics. The recent buffs also made for some pretty interesting and strong Warrior builds. That we do not hear or see more of it likely has more to do with a handful of notable Warriors taking a break due to Alliances than it has to do with class balance. That's not to say that Guards are bad or Warriors better. It's just that relative mobility is closer between most 2nd-tier options than people make it out to be. That is (arguably) where both WB and several Warrior builds sit at the moment. 3 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonork.2916 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 In a straight race, Warrior is faster then WB so... yeah. 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenesis.6389 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 You heard it here first, Warriors! Kings! Queens! of! DRAG! RACING! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Marshal.4098 Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 What?! Where are you guys playing lmfao?????!! What the hell??? Since when does Warrior outrun Willbender?? 19 minutes ago, Xenesis.6389 said: You heard it here first, Warriors! Kings! Queens! of! DRAG! RACING! Help me, Im losing my sanity! 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Marshal.4098 Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 So people are afraid of a backbreaker port, when the abundance of self-stunbreaks and stability options is probably higher per ability than all teh CC avaiable to a build hmm. So Willbender falling into damage and being a cleaver, is directly comparable to say Berserker! Yes! Berserker is obviously the better willbender! It both warrior and it has resistance! 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 How about we get a fast cast, 1200 range pull instead and a few 900 range fast cast pulls on some specific flipovers. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepwalker.1398 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Can this be moved to warrior forum and you discuss as much as you want? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 ports ruin this game so much. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 9 hours ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said: So people are afraid of a backbreaker port, when the abundance of self-stunbreaks and stability options is probably higher per ability than all teh CC avaiable to a build hmm. So Willbender falling into damage and being a cleaver, is directly comparable to say Berserker! Yes! Berserker is obviously the better willbender! It both warrior and it has resistance! Again don't buff my Berserker if it means they are going to nerf it. Thanks no. Are you having issues with Willbenders on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 11 hours ago, subversiontwo.7501 said: That's not to say that Guards are bad or Warriors better. It's just that relative mobility is closer between most 2nd-tier options than people make it out to be. That is (arguably) where both WB and several Warrior builds sit at the moment. Pretty much this. Having warriors cry about guard mobility while warrior remains one of the more mobile classes (one can argue if guadian, on wb, or warrior is more mobile versus each other, in either case they are close) seems a bit biased. The main difference being that guardian actually has to go willbender (with out the box high mobility), while warriors have to actively take mobility skills (both as weapon skills or utility). Edited January 24 by Cyninja.2954 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Marshal.4098 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 10 hours ago, Sleepwalker.1398 said: Can this be moved to warrior forum and you discuss as much as you want? Obviously a post actually pointing towards the issues of all classes having access to large distance ports with a bit of a comical flavor to it. But forums gonna forum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Marshal.4098 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 8 hours ago, Stand The Wall.6987 said: ports ruin this game so much. And yet here we are! Unnatural Traversal, Willbender, Specter, Shift Signet, Shiro etc. I'm sure Rush on GS5 warr is the issue tho! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gehenna.3625 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 15 hours ago, Xenesis.6389 said: Imagine guardians were one of the slowest classes in the beginning, now they're one of the most mobile with willbender, along with the best access to aegis and stability. If that isn't biased balancing I don't know what is. I play Guardians but I don't like WB, so that's not really a solution for Guardians in general. I'm kind of tired of people taking one elite spec and then acting as if the entire class is fine. And with people I mean Anet as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Games not truly gonna be dead untill warriors stop begging for more juice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 hours ago, Cyninja.2954 said: Pretty much this. Having warriors cry about guard mobility while warrior remains one of the more mobile classes (one can argue if guadian, on wb, or warrior is more mobile versus each other, in either case they are close) seems a bit biased. The main difference being that guardian actually has to go willbender (with out the box high mobility), while warriors have to actively take mobility skills (both as weapon skills or utility). I think there is a valid distinction to be made between instant cast teleports and skills like Rush or Savage Leap that have the tendency to go in utterly random directions and not where you tell them to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahkeus.8243 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 14 hours ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said: What?! Where are you guys playing lmfao?????!! What the hell??? Since when does Warrior outrun Willbender?? Help me, Im losing my sanity! In WvW with your most basic GS warrior build, you have enough mobility toescape any threat from a Willbender if you need. You may not completely "outrun" since they will catch up for a small hit when they have their Judge's Intervention off (40 sec) cooldown, but they're not any sort of threat since they have little ability to CC or snare you even when they do touch you. So why are you so twisted up about them? If there's no one else around, there's no reason you can't just fight them in a 1v1 anyways. Warrior is a kitten good class for roaming WvW. Consider your basic Spellbreaker build. In the event you need to run, you have: GS: Rush - 1,200 range 20s cd Whirlwind - 450 range/evade 10s cd Dagger: Aura Slicer - 300 range 6s cd (not much, but it's faster than combat speed running) Breaching Strike (if you have adrenal) Rampage: Dash - 1000 range 6s cd (can use twice in one Rampage) Seismic Leap - 600 range That's a ton of mobility and any enemy chasing you isn't going to be able to fully overtake you without backup. Whirlwind and Rush from GS alone are really all you need for most situations anyways. This is what I run on a daily basis and I genuinely don't understand your obsession with Willbenders as some sort of existential threat. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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