Why can you still play 3 man premade in 3v3 ranked?

[Bazsi.2734]

1 hour ago, Zombiesbum.3502 said:

If 3v3 and 2v2 aren't made for solo players, then why can you solo queue into it? Your logic of "it wasn't made for solo" falls apart the moment someone thinks about the reality of the mode. And the reason you are unable to convince me is because your arguments make no sense. Stop blaming others for not getting your points if your points are shite.

Oh this is an argument? I am just conveying facts. Conquest teamQ was removed/devolved into 2man premades and merged with soloQ. They added 2v2 not much later for people who don't want to deal with randoms on their team, and 3v3 a season later for people who have more than 1 friend.
None of this is an argument, just a history lesson. The goal is to have the best 3v3 teams duke it out for the top spots. Anyone can join, but don't expect to climb past those who put in the time and effort to enter as a coodrinated premade.
Maybe over time more and more players of this game started soloQ-ing everything, and here we are in 2023 with you not understanding why things are like they are... we'll its because this system was made years ago, and completely forgotten/abandoned since.

As for argumentation... I don't really care to tbh. I hate this gamemode. It's unbalanced, unpopular, makes me unable to play proper ranked for a few weeks between seasons, and unranked gets really really <REDACTED> sometimes. So if I actually made an effort to argue, I would argue to remove this botched attempt of a gamemode from ranked. But we all know PvP gets nothing more than 3-4 balance patches a year so nothing is going to happen, let's not ruin this birthday party - have some cake!

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

2 hours ago, Bazsi.2734 said:

The goal is to have the best 3v3 teams duke it out for the top spots. Anyone can join, but don't expect to climb past those who put in the time and effort to enter as a coodrinated premade.

 

Time and effort?

Time I get, it's meaningless to the obsessed.

Effort, absolutely not. If anything it's a small investment of effort to get the team together, and that team plays with significantly less effort than everyone else, particularly the SoloQs who are gigachads that knowingly play with the biggest disadvantage and handicap you can possibly compete with in this game.

Not going to sit here and be told DuoQs, or any teamer that plays at an advantage over others is working harder. They're hardly working! There's a difference! 👺

2 hours ago, Bazsi.2734 said:

But we all know PvP gets nothing more than 3-4 balance patches a year so nothing is going to happen, let's not ruin this birthday party - have some cake!

The day of our lord is over, it's 2/26 now.

Now it is time to perform our charge and to fast for CmC. The only cake you're going to get any one of us to eat is funnel cake and I mean that in the most literal sense possible. Want not before he. Do you get me? 

🧑‍🤝‍🧑 -> 🚪 | 👍

[Zombiesbum.3502]

On 2/26/2023 at 9:42 PM, Bazsi.2734 said:

Oh this is an argument? I am just conveying facts. Conquest teamQ was removed/devolved into 2man premades and merged with soloQ. They added 2v2 not much later for people who don't want to deal with randoms on their team, and 3v3 a season later for people who have more than 1 friend.
None of this is an argument, just a history lesson. The goal is to have the best 3v3 teams duke it out for the top spots. Anyone can join, but don't expect to climb past those who put in the time and effort to enter as a coodrinated premade.
Maybe over time more and more players of this game started soloQ-ing everything, and here we are in 2023 with you not understanding why things are like they are... we'll its because this system was made years ago, and completely forgotten/abandoned since.

As for argumentation... I don't really care to tbh. I hate this gamemode. It's unbalanced, unpopular, makes me unable to play proper ranked for a few weeks between seasons, and unranked gets really really <REDACTED> sometimes. So if I actually made an effort to argue, I would argue to remove this botched attempt of a gamemode from ranked. But we all know PvP gets nothing more than 3-4 balance patches a year so nothing is going to happen, let's not ruin this birthday party - have some cake!

You are entitled to you opinions, no matter how illogical they are. Just please don't try to tell me they are factual when they objectively aren't. I also find it funny how your retort to my argument was "this is an argument?", as if to imply you need no rebuttal.

And this attitude of "we don't get patches so let's give up" while being on the forum arguing over issues is oxymoron at best. It really amazes me how little self awareness you are showing. Not only are your arguments non existent, but you even say that you don't care about the mode you are arguing over. You just outed yourself as a contrarian, and nobody likes this kind of attitude.

Again, your whole argument is assuming that the 3v3 mode is by default made solely for premade teams. You need to prove that in order for your argument to have a leg to stand on. And you can't do that because the reality is; it's not made solely for premade teams (because you can solo Q). Not only that, but if that was the case, then it would be a dead mode.

My argument has always been to make the mode fair, whether that is to remove solo Q, or remove premades. The only reason I lean towards removing premades is because most players play these modes as solo players. It's just logical to go with the majority here.

Edited March 1 by Zombiesbum.3502

[Bazsi.2734]

5 hours ago, Zombiesbum.3502 said:

Again, your whole argument is assuming.... 
You need to prove...

Yeah sure I am going to dig into the archived forums, twitter and reddit to piece it togheter all for some internet random. 😄
I know I'm right, if you want to cling to the assumption that I'm only here to lie to your face, that sounds like a you problem.

 

 

6 hours ago, Zombiesbum.3502 said:

And this attitude of "we don't get patches so let's give up" while being on the forum arguing over issues is oxymoron at best. It really amazes me how little self awareness you are showing.

I hopped into this game from GW1. I'm here since the betas. When I felt the game started to go in a bad direction(2017) I registered on this forum and started posting. There will be a really common patters in you search my posts: I suggest A, and the next one or two patches containt the opposite of A. This went on for years. So with the devs not listening to us... why bother?

Now I just do whatever is fun. And poking at people like you is fun. And no, I'm not going to prove that. Who knows, maybe I'm lying. Oxymoron at best! There is still some cake left...

[Bazsi.2734]

7 hours ago, Zombiesbum.3502 said:

My argument has always been to make the mode fair, whether that is to remove solo Q, or remove premades. The only reason I lean towards removing premades is because most players play these modes as solo players. It's just logical to go with the majority here.

Oh yeah, and I don't disagree that this would make it fair. Of course it would, but fairness and PvP have nothing to do with each other in this game so... if you want fairness, what are you doing here?

[Pati.2438]

@Zombiesbum.3502 wouldn't "Why is Duo que still a Thing in 5v5 conquest" have been a ways better title? xd

[Zombiesbum.3502]

On 3/1/2023 at 2:50 PM, Bazsi.2734 said:

Yeah sure I am going to dig into the archived forums, twitter and reddit to piece it togheter all for some internet random.

If you are unwilling to prove it, don't say it. You'd have to be stupid if you think people should believe what you say based on your word alone.

[Bazsi.2734]

50 minutes ago, Zombiesbum.3502 said:

If you are unwilling to prove it, don't say it. You'd have to be stupid if you think people should believe what you say based on your word alone.

Yeah, communicating with someone like you was definitely stupid of me. Sometimes I'm dumb like that.

[Trevor Boyer.6524]

On 2/20/2023 at 4:56 PM, Azure The Heartless.3261 said:

I dont understand how people can want to play a ranked match organized around group play but also insist every team must be random

1. They are antisocial and do not want to put forth the effort into communication to form a team.
2. They know they won't be accepted into stronger teams so they'd rather match making be random so they can dice gamble on being paired with high tier players for occasional wins instead of always being on a Gold 1 team that has to fight stronger teams.
3. They are either completely unaware of how much synch queue match manipulation effects solo/duo queue match making, or simply don't care because of the point made in 2) which demonstrates how players of true mediocrity are probably actually going to have higher win rates/rating from random match making than they will with formed premade teams.

This is the truth behind the matter. Aside from other reasons they try to stress, it's all ultimately excuses to avoid self-accepting the above 3 points made. I know it, you know, and even they know it's true, but they'll never admit it.

Edited March 17 by Trevor Boyer.6524

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

5 hours ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

1. They are antisocial and do not want to put forth the effort into communication to form a team.
2. They know they won't be accepted into stronger teams so they'd rather match making be random so they can dice gamble on being paired with high tier players for occasional wins instead of always being on a Gold 1 team that has to fight stronger teams.
3. They are either completely unaware of how much synch queue match manipulation effects solo/duo queue match making, or simply don't care because of the point made in 2) which demonstrates how players of true mediocrity are probably actually going to have higher win rates/rating from random match making than they will with formed premade teams.

This is the truth behind the matter. Aside from other reasons they try to stress, it's all ultimately excuses to avoid self-accepting the above 3 points made. I know it, you know, and even they know it's true, but they'll never admit it.

Antisocial mediocrities? Well that's fair. Absolve us then, regular old Salieri.

Tbh you hear this a lot, but not from you. This is something of a disappointment.

 

Playing SoloQ by yourself does not inherently mean that you are antisocial or that you do not enjoy socializing with others. It just means that you prefer to play video games by yourself instead of with other people that generalize you and a larger group of players as mediocre antisocials, telling you to play their way or elsewise don't play at all. That tends to be a sign of taking the game too seriously, and if you aren't playing with friends to have fun, then I don't really see the point at all. It's a casual, fun-loving concept to begin with.

Additionally, SoloQs never play alone anyway. SoloQ is entirely a fairness/matchmaking concern. The goal is still to compete in 5v5 conquest with and against 9 other people all playing the same way instead of with an advantage in a competition; which is a ridiculous concept that is of course going to spawn various mediocrities.

It is also considerably more difficult to play the opposite way; which would be SoloQ, because SoloQs are actually gigachads that have to play at a handicap against people who don't have one and still are expected to do the work of and compete against 2 people as just 1. They are as far from mediocre as could possibly be, but think what ye will.

 

Fairness, competition, and convenience. That's the real 3 reasons SoloQ exists in games. If anyone is refusing to accept anything, it is the people who would sooner disrespect and put themselves above SoloQs in their own heads, instead of accepting it as an additional and entirely different way to play the same thing.

And the funny part is; while we bicker here about a theoretical situation, neither of us have what we want because the game is still solo/duo and likely always will be as this game is accelerated into decline, fully deserved.

[Kuma.1503]

Coming up with fun/op synergies with friends and seeing how far up the ladder you can push it is half the fun of 2v2/3v3. 

Like  Condi Druid + Condi Herald. 

You grind your opponents down with superior sustain, run them out of cleanses, and if they ever get stuck in an immobilize they melt from torment. 

Or Scrapper + Reaper. Where you look at Reaper, ask "what are the two things Reaper struggles to do". Realize, reaper struggles to give itself fury and gets kited. Fix both those issues with Kinetic Accelerators and superspeed, and blend your opponents into oblivion. Getting a down usually = a kill thanks to function gyro.

 

5v5 Tests your ability to stay sane with a roulette of teammates that will either help you win or afk in the first 3 seconds of a match. 

3v3/2v2 tests your ability to co-ordinate and buildcraft. The "me solo carry" mindset doesn't really work there. 

 

[Guizao.4167]

ArenaNet doesnt care, you shouldn't neither

[Bazsi.2734]

12 hours ago, Kuma.1503 said:

Coming up with fun/op synergies with friends and seeing how far up the ladder you can push it is half the fun of 2v2/3v3. 

Like  Condi Druid + Condi Herald. 

You grind your opponents down with superior sustain, run them out of cleanses, and if they ever get stuck in an immobilize they melt from torment. 

Or Scrapper + Reaper. Where you look at Reaper, ask "what are the two things Reaper struggles to do". Realize, reaper struggles to give itself fury and gets kited. Fix both those issues with Kinetic Accelerators and superspeed, and blend your opponents into oblivion. Getting a down usually = a kill thanks to function gyro.

 

5v5 Tests your ability to stay sane with a roulette of teammates that will either help you win or afk in the first 3 seconds of a match. 

3v3/2v2 tests your ability to co-ordinate and buildcraft. The "me solo carry" mindset doesn't really work there. 

 

Stop making sense, exactly 90% of players(go ahead and smell it to guess where I pulled that from) play solo so that doesn't matter, why would you accomodate people who aren't exactly like me, if you are still not convinced consider this: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Edited March 18 by Bazsi.2734

[Pati.2438]

@Multicolorhipster.9751 Imagine playing an MMORPG Solo. Sry but If you want to Play solo you should Play Something else or get claped by Guys that playing in Team. But to be fair .... Solo q would at least Made more sence than Duo q at all xd!

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

3 hours ago, Pati.2438 said:

@Multicolorhipster.9751 Imagine playing an MMORPG Solo. Sry but If you want to Play solo you should Play Something else or get claped by Guys that playing in Team.

I like the first option. PvP is just a 5v5 arena game, Gw2 is the larger MMO. No solos mode in a 5v5 PvP arena game is a monkeybrain decision.

Honestly after 6 years of total bs I'd rather PvP go TeamQ-only so I can watch it die quicker at a comfortable distance while appreciating watching the 10 or so confused Travoltas that actually demand it wonder why nobody is still playing with them.

3 hours ago, Pati.2438 said:

But to be fair .... Solo q would at least Made more sence than Duo q at all xd!

True, preach 🙏

10 hours ago, Bazsi.2734 said:

if you are still not convinced consider this: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Honstly? Quite convincing.

You have my support and my attention, in that very same order.

[Zombiesbum.3502]

On 3/18/2023 at 6:14 PM, Pati.2438 said:

@Multicolorhipster.9751 Imagine playing an MMORPG Solo. Sry but If you want to Play solo you should Play Something else or get claped by Guys that playing in Team. But to be fair .... Solo q would at least Made more sence than Duo q at all xd!

You seem to be under the impression that playing solo is not common. How much of your play time is done with an organized group I wonder.

[Pati.2438]

@Zombiesbum.3502 Not mutch also that sentence was Not even meant to be srs xd. Tho I Just Like a 90% solo Player myself xD