since you won't remove duos

[Khalisto.5780]

can you show duos pre match

so i can be more productive 

 

like doing inventory management or something

[Aylpse.6280]

I played one game in ranked this season and already quit. Two duos vs my team of PuGs. One of which was a previous top 250 player. I have no friends so I may as well quit this season ahead of time.

[Khalgir.3862]

8 minutes ago, Aylpse.6280 said:

I played one game in ranked this season and already quit. Two duos vs my team of PuGs. One of which was a previous top 250 player. I have no friends so I may as well quit this season ahead of time.

It is completely normal at the beginning of the season. Try to get to gold 3 and find good players with whom you could duo to plat 1; the rest is simple.

[Khalisto.5780]

20 minutes ago, Khalgir.3862 said:

It is completely normal at the beginning of the season. Try to get to gold 3 and find good players with whom you could duo to plat 1; the rest is simple.

problem here is, if you don' t duo how many matches you just get memed by duoq qdodge users.

 

My experience is, you playing your g3 matches till you get matched against the only 2 legendary playrs as the best player in your team 

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

1 hour ago, Aylpse.6280 said:

I played one game in ranked this season and already quit. Two duos vs my team of PuGs. One of which was a previous top 250 player. I have no friends so I may as well quit this season ahead of time.

1 hour ago, Khalgir.3862 said:

It is completely normal at the beginning of the season. Try to get to gold 3 and find good players with whom you could duo to plat 1; the rest is simple.

DuoQ to win, truly the most riveting of experiences.

 

I don't want to be a party pooper, but it isn't like matchmaking magically gets better when you get to plat.

Infact since there's so few plats now compared to how many there used to be; as a plat, you will probably be put into some of the worst matches imaginable just to even out the average MMR of both teams because the matchmaker assumes you are some top-tier god.

It is very much just DuoQ to win. Not worth it imo. Should do your mental health and PvP a favor, and steer well clear until the entire game dies, or they decide to add a ranked mode with some competitive integrity.

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

1 hour ago, Khalisto.5780 said:

can you show duos pre match

so i can be more productive 

 

like doing inventory management or something

Just look for the sweats who are classwapping 10 different times before the match starts. They are almost 100% guaranteed to be DuoQ'd.

If you play OSRS on the side like me... Woodcutting lvl?

[Khalisto.5780]

12 minutes ago, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

I don't want to be a party pooper, but it isn't like matchmaking magically gets better when you get to plat.

quite the opposite right? More like a shortcut to face sweaty duo q nerds q doding everyone better than them to get easy matches

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

1 hour ago, Khalisto.5780 said:

quite the opposite right? More like a shortcut to face sweaty duo q nerds q doding everyone better than them to get easy matches

Exactly

People want to pretend like gold is your traditional elo hell that's impossible to climb out of, but it isn't. This game doesn't have one. That's just the sadcase space cadet "pros" trying to make the game seem more sweaty than it really is.

Matchmaking hardly changes at all regardless of your rank, it will almost always be with and against the same people anyway, and once you get to the top you have to consistently deal with all the cheaters who were handed their way in, or you play at normal times and play with mostly AFK slugs that are leagues below your rating because all the "pros" are busy hiding from eachother.

In the words of Tyler1:
"DuoQ is stupid."

[Mell.4873]

On a positive note Duos can be one of the only ways to play certain classes. Mesmers and Thiefs aswell can really benifit from a buddy who can support and engagement. 

Playing things like Support can very hard to carry your team with so finding a nice gold player and supporting him can be a great way to rank up. 

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

45 minutes ago, Mell.4873 said:

On a positive note Duos can be one of the only ways to play certain classes. Mesmers and Thiefs aswell can really benifit from a buddy who can support and engagement. 

Playing things like Support can very hard to carry your team with so finding a nice gold player and supporting him can be a great way to rank up. 

Hogwash

The game was SoloQ-only past 1600 rating back in seasons 9-12.
That was before CmC's big nerf patch too so everything could 1-shot everything and power mesmer especially was beyond popular. Chronomancer was literally immortal for season 11.

And then thieves made up the majority of the top player base back then because a SoloQ thief will do fine against other SoloQs but a SoloQ thief will get destroyed by DuoQs.

Even support used to be played in SoloQ only in the form of FB at PoF launch because they were statistically guaranteed to find someone else playing something worth supporting (like scourge back then)

 

DuoQ did not make these viable, they were always viable.

At most you could argue DuoQ made it easier to play them, but that isn't a good thing, because not everybody DuoQs and having an advantage in a competition is stupid and redundant. Far from a positive as it gets. DuoQ has no positives.

[Mell.4873]

20 minutes ago, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

Hogwash

The game was SoloQ-only past 1600 rating back in seasons 9-12.
That was before CmC's big nerf patch too so everything could 1-shot everything and power mesmer especially was beyond popular. Chronomancer was literally immortal for season 11.

And then thieves made up the majority of the top player base back then because a SoloQ thief will do fine against other SoloQs but a SoloQ thief will get destroyed by DuoQs.

Even support used to be played in SoloQ only in the form of FB at PoF launch because they were statistically guaranteed to find someone else playing something worth supporting (like scourge back then)

 

DuoQ did not make these viable, they were always viable.

At most you could argue DuoQ made it easier to play them, but that isn't a good thing, because not everybody DuoQs and having an advantage in a competition is stupid and redundant. Far from a positive as it gets. DuoQ has no positives.

I agree and your last point perfectly states my position. You can solo que with a squishy or supportive build, but it makes it drastically easier if you know your duo partner isn't a headless chicken.

This is all largely to blame on the popularity of sPvP. I remembered when people swapped classes to Roam or Support; that no longer exists.

[apharma.3741]

I think a lot of people may be overlooking something, possibly due to lacking them themselves.
It's nice to be able to play with friends.

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

40 minutes ago, Mell.4873 said:

I agree and your last point perfectly states my position. You can solo que with a squishy or supportive build, but it makes it drastically easier if you know your duo partner isn't a headless chicken.

Yes it makes it considerably easier for those 2 people, and that much more challenging for everyone else.

That's why merged queues don't work, and shouldn't exist in any self-proclaimed competitive setting. That's why DuoQ was a mistake.

40 minutes ago, Mell.4873 said:

This is all largely to blame on the popularity of sPvP. I remembered when people swapped classes to Roam or Support; that no longer exists.

It also probably contributed massively to sPvP's rapid downfall because the majority of people have always soloQ'd and DuoQ is only there to cater to that specific crowd that wants to take the easy route at the expense of everyone else under the deceptive guise of "I just want to play with friends."

I couldn't physically care less about balance, that isn't what I came here to whine about.

Remove DuoQ or add separate Solos. 👏

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

7 minutes ago, apharma.3741 said:

I think a lot of people may be overlooking something, possibly due to lacking them themselves.
It's nice to be able to play with friends.

Which anyone could always do in Unranked or ATs and could still do in a separate Ranked queue to Solos, if only such a thing could exist, but alas, we have a bunch of SoloQ-hating do-nothings that force us SoloQs to play with them at a disadvantage, with a handicap. Because that's what it's really about. Not playing with friends, everyone could always do that. It's about the advantage.

And idk if nice is the word I'd use to describe that. Craven more like.

[apharma.3741]

1 minute ago, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

Which anyone could always do in Unranked or ATs and could still do in a separate Ranked queue to Solos, if only such a thing could exist, but alas, we have a bunch of SoloQ-hating do-nothings that force us SoloQs to play with them at a disadvantage, with a handicap. Because that's what it's really about. Not playing with friends, everyone could always do that. It's about the advantage.

And idk if nice is the word I'd use to describe that. Craven more like.

No it's also about playing with friends. If you're getting the backpack or the legendary armour it's a lot of PvP games in ranked you have to play. Playing with a friend while chatting on Discord is one way to pass that time and make the grind more tolerable.
Just because you don't play with friends doesn't mean others don't.

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

Just now, apharma.3741 said:

No it's also about playing with friends. If you're getting the backpack or the legendary armour it's a lot of PvP games in ranked you have to play. Playing with a friend while chatting on Discord is one way to pass that time and make the grind more tolerable.
Just because you don't play with friends doesn't mean others don't.

If that was the case then would have long-since freed SoloQ to its own separate solos queue.

If it was really about playing with friends, then why do they need so badly for us SoloQs to be there when we don't want to be? 🙀

Are you going to tell me the population is too low in response to that?
That's usually how the script goes.

Well don't bother, you'd be contradicting yourself. If the population is too low for teams to have ranked matchmaking against other teams, then that's proof that others don't either. It's proof that the DuoQ people are just being catered to.

[apharma.3741]

Just now, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

If that was the case then would have long-since freed SoloQ to its own separate solos queue.

If it was really about playing with friends, then why do they need so badly for us SoloQs to be there when we don't want to be? 🙀

Are you going to tell me the population is too low in response to that?
That's usually how the script goes.

Well don't bother, you'd be contradicting yourself. If the population is too low for teams to have ranked matchmaking against other teams, then that's proof that others don't either. It's proof that the DuoQ people are just being catered to.

Math problem time.
Using only the number 2, sum to 5.
Can't do it can you? Huh, fancy that.
You need solos to fill in the gaps for playing with friends.
As I said originally, it's nice to be able to play with friends, don't think that because a handful of people ANet should have hardware banned a long time ago abuse it that most people aren't just playing some games with friends.

[Gibson.4036]

I play PvP with my son. So, yeah, we appreciate duoq to be able to do that. We’re casual, consistently mid-silver players.

I know that this duoq system uniquely benefits us. I can see how ranked would better serve players who care about climbing ranks if it was soloq or fiveq. 

But, purely selfishly, I hope duoq stays. We wouldn’t PvP if we couldn’t queue together, and would have much less fun if we were constantly being destroyed by five person teams.

I wonder if duoq has been kept by ANet all this time because their metrics show that even given the option of fiveq (unranked) players who play together mostly play with one other player?

[Greyrat.2378]

DuoQ makes no sense in competitive environment. One side has clear edge over another that is composed entirely from pug.
You could argue that ranked PvP in GW2 is overall hardly competitive anymore, and there is definitely some truth to it, but then either remove ranked all together and let people duke it out in regular match where you can 5 man que, or remove duoQ and even out the odds if you want competitive environment.
Pick your poison I guess, but ANet should make clear stand on what they want to do with ranked PvP, instead of this half assed solution.
Seriously, it's not that difficult to understand, regardless of whether you sit in plat or silver elo.

Edited March 1 by Greyrat.2378
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[Bazsi.2734]

DuoQ is awesome because you can play with all of your friends if you only have one. Also 2man premades can easily make 5man teams because math. All this talk about competitiveness is just toxic elitism, you guys should really stop PvP-ing if your only motivation is to win. We are happy and diverse and accepting and rainbows and happiness and buy gems now!

[shion.2084]

I'd just like an option when I queue to specify match preferences... with the understanding I won't be matched if nothing suitable is available.  I'd like to be able to say that I am uninterested in playing against duo q opponents, and that I wish for all players on my team to be within X MMR of me.   I am willing not to get a match if these criteria are not met.

 

If you are duo q, you should not be able to select that you would not like to be matched against duo q's.

[Stand The Wall.6987]

16 hours ago, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

mostly AFK slugs that are leagues below your rating

least toxic gw2 pvp player

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

On 3/1/2023 at 4:03 PM, Stand The Wall.6987 said:

least toxic gw2 pvp player

I would hope I am not becoming soft, but I do appreciate the thought.

I am trying to work on being a nicer person. I think it is going ok. I am starting to respect and appreciate you and some of my older peers and their sense of humor. I also see the value in preserving that initial optimism in new people.

Only the corrupt; those who would hasten us all to our rapidly approaching end, should ever fear the swift retribution of the faithful.

[JTGuevara.9018]

On 3/1/2023 at 4:06 PM, Bazsi.2734 said:

DuoQ is awesome because you can play with all of your friends if you only have one. Also 2man premades can easily make 5man teams because math. All this talk about competitiveness is just toxic elitism, you guys should really stop PvP-ing if your only motivation is to win. We are happy and diverse and accepting and rainbows and happiness and buy gems now!

I hate to break it to ya, but a lot of us QUIT lmao. We're just here having some fun. And these forums are so devoid of personality...

Also, I love the double-speak in that first sentence. If you have one friend, you cannot say 'all of your friends'! Because, you know...plural...but you do you man...

Edited Friday at 08:43 PM by JTGuevara.9018
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[jdawgie.1835]

On 3/1/2023 at 1:00 AM, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

Which anyone could always do in Unranked or ATs

This is unfulling as both of these modes are boring, have minimal rewards, dont give titles, no badges, nothing is at stake. Ranked is were the fun is.

On 3/1/2023 at 12:55 AM, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

That's why merged queues don't work, and shouldn't exist in any self-proclaimed competitive setting. That's why DuoQ was a mistake.

Duo q was a huge mistake. Its a half measure. It screws over everyone equally I know we agree on this part already. 

On 3/1/2023 at 1:11 AM, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

then why do they need so badly for us SoloQs to be there when we don't want to be? 🙀

Solo players and teams should be separated. with the population as low as it is - leave 5 mans for solo que only and 2v2 and 3v3s for premades only. Make the rewards and titles the same for both versions of the ranked que and call it a day. Quickest way to the best solution. 

This way there is a ranked version for solos = 5 man

Ranked version for premades = 2v2 and 3v3 (Available year round)

ATs = 5 man premades (Adjust the rewards here and how often)

Edited Friday at 09:38 PM by jdawgie.1835