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Before I forget, I'd like to thank ArenaNet for providing me with some real good times in pvp (check the screenshot). I went from plat2 to g2 in a single night. Boy that was so fun! Thanks ArenaNet for making solo ranked an experience to behold! I had so much fun losing nonstop, getting thrown away from plat by a beautiful losing streak. Clearly this is the kind of experience ArenaNet craves and loves. So thank you, I'm grateful for that. I honestly can't believe some players have to wintrade to get to the top!

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https://imgur.com/gallery/2g4TTtq

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3 hours ago, Kyle.7316 said:

U clearly had fun or ud log off.

It's more Gambler's Fallacy, @Guizao.4167 didn't not have fun and just wanted the Win, and statistically he is correct in thinking that from all the games  there should have been at least one win. The way the system works now is more like gambling then a fun game and your brain is no longer having fun but is looking for a result. 

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Last season it was pretty normal for me to go down from plat1/2 to G3/2 during off peak and then back to plat again at prime time. That's how queue works. Actually I was enjoying the experience because you tend to get bored of typical meta play in plat. Gold can provide some spicy entertainment.

 

Despite its shortcomings I think GW2 is the best MMO when it comes to PVP. Nobody wants credit card warriors roflstomping undergeared players in PVP except credit card warriors.

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I used to be a consistent plat 2 pvp veteran for years, but now I have had this a thousand times. Unless you are a popular streamer and other good players streamsnipe you during prime time, soloq has stopped making sense completely.

My copium: if i get lower rating because of unlucky games i just start playing specs im less good at, if i reach g2 i learn completely new builds, when i hit plat i do meta only etc. There's no point in fighting the casino. I go from plat to g2 and back on a weekly basis.

If I get to gold 2 and then anet fills my team with people that are even lower rated, there's no way im gonna tryhard 20 kills/0 deaths just to make up for clueless idiots feeding. Just embrace the clownfiesta and play something you are clown tier at as well.

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1 hour ago, Vancho.8750 said:

It's more Gambler's Fallacy, @Guizao.4167 didn't not have fun and just wanted the Win, and statistically he is correct in thinking that from all the games  there should have been at least one win. The way the system works now is more like gambling then a fun game and your brain is no longer having fun but is looking for a result. 

Well u didnt win anything cuz ure bad player and u were put in ur place. Or he kept running in smurf acc since i have 20+ winstreak the same night xD

PS: If he ran into me hes still terrible, cuz i was playing only vs complete rets.

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2 hours ago, Eddie.9143 said:

Condi virt sucks 5v5 and ur build is goofy but I also think it's funny you switched off ele twice and took your worst losses

I like the build and i'm pretty good at it. I was playing ele cause it's my main since 2012, but I also love mes ❤️

 

2 hours ago, Frequency.6407 said:

Last season it was pretty normal for me to go down from plat1/2 to G3/2 during off peak and then back to plat again at prime time. That's how queue works. Actually I was enjoying the experience because you tend to get bored of typical meta play in plat. Gold can provide some spicy entertainment.

 

Despite its shortcomings I think GW2 is the best MMO when it comes to PVP. Nobody wants credit card warriors roflstomping undergeared players in PVP except credit card warriors.

I noticed that every since past s3+ things were getting really bad in terms of matchmaking. sPvP needs tons of love though. Anet completely forgotten it exists.

 

2 hours ago, verysaltysnackk.3916 said:

I used to be a consistent plat 2 pvp veteran for years, but now I have had this a thousand times. Unless you are a popular streamer and other good players streamsnipe you during prime time, soloq has stopped making sense completely.

My copium: if i get lower rating because of unlucky games i just start playing specs im less good at, if i reach g2 i learn completely new builds, when i hit plat i do meta only etc. There's no point in fighting the casino. I go from plat to g2 and back on a weekly basis.

If I get to gold 2 and then anet fills my team with people that are even lower rated, there's no way im gonna tryhard 20 kills/0 deaths just to make up for clueless idiots feeding. Just embrace the clownfiesta and play something you are clown tier at as well.

Since I'm not north american I might not be able to play during prime time. Either way the quality of matches has decreased dramatically since 2015 balance update. People just left the mode, nobody cares anymore.

 

3 hours ago, Vancho.8750 said:

It's more Gambler's Fallacy, @Guizao.4167 didn't not have fun and just wanted the Win, and statistically he is correct in thinking that from all the games  there should have been at least one win. The way the system works now is more like gambling then a fun game and your brain is no longer having fun but is looking for a result. 

I play ranked to win, just fun for me. As you can see, I had plenty of fun last night. Every time I'm about to get to mid of plat2, I get down to g3/g2, then up again to plat1, then down. It's really amazing. Must be my fault though.

 

1 hour ago, Kyle.7316 said:

Well u didnt win anything cuz ure bad player and u were put in ur place. Or he kept running in smurf acc since i have 20+ winstreak the same night xD

PS: If he ran into me hes still terrible, cuz i was playing only vs complete rets.

Do you realize it's a 5v5? Do you realize that a single player can't carry 4 other players against a team of 5? I wonder I should have done when I get 3v1 far, mid is open, but my team insists in coming far to die with me. And if I leave far, I'm wrong cause I should die with them instead of chasing a clear point and drive their focus off other points. But no, you're right, I'm trash. I'm Baron of the Arena, playing solo ranked ever since 2013 and just got put in my place. Please tell me how to carry a game, and don't come up with wintrading cause' I spend my gold buying cool wep skins.

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3 hours ago, verysaltysnackk.3916 said:

I used to be a consistent plat 2 pvp veteran for years, but now I have had this a thousand times. Unless you are a popular streamer and other good players stream snipe you during prime time, soloq has stopped making sense completely.

^ this

Some people in the community definitely have some kind of protection going on.

It isn't always win trading. Some people are somehow on the "good side" of the people who alt and throw to knock people down leaderboards for sure.

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@Trevor Boyer.6524 I mean I got today called a wintrader cause I got a "Baron of the Arena" title and so does enemy engi. Only difference was I actually Played the Game while He was afking whole game. For some reason my own Team called me a wintrader and report me but not only this .... they also Trash talked me and calling me trash while i where Holding the Point in 2v1 in GS/Hammer ..... so idk i would say this Community is its own toxic Thing lel

(EDIT: I also said them I would rether do Bad Things to myself before Just wintrading but they do not even care lels)

 

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@Guizao.4167 I think @Trevor Boyer.6524 can explain some kitteny things around the Ranking and Matchmaking system better then me. There are some Community factors ( I personally call the factor Win trade day)  that we could ignore just to focus on the game issue. 
There is some stuff with phases where the game tries to "balance" your rating and win rate, but since the population is not as big as before it is more noticeable when this happens, before the ratings were tighter and "proving" phase you still had good chance to win some games, now it is more like you are the equalizer against the legend duo when you start hitting the leader board rating, it wouldn't feel as bad if it didn't shank you 3 wins worth of rating losing to lets say Boyce and his duo.
There seems to have some hidden rating stuff like having a guild or having old account, unranked mmr on so on(which Anet sneakily is trying to address by wiping old ratings, somewhat noticeable on GW 2 efficiency) .

Quite frankly the bracket between middle of g3 to p2 is kittened, since you are bound to play way lower and way higher then expected and lose allot of points just because. This is mostly because you have to deal with the kitten of lower tier players and leader board people at the same time if you are just casual but long term player. I would guess this the main bracket that just quits the game cause you would just bounce around g3 p2 on roller coaster since no one else wants to bother to play on this bracket. This the T3 fractal zone for PVP if we compare with PVE stuff.
I think that if you want to hold rating or climb over p2, you will need to find a duo and kinda play the system instead of the game, since it does need you to have over 60% win rate to stay afloat and over 70% to actually climb since ratios of rating become kinda kittened and you get 5 and lose 20 or something like that.   

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2 hours ago, Vancho.8750 said:

@Guizao.4167 I think @Trevor Boyer.6524 can explain some kitteny things around the Ranking and Matchmaking system better then me. There are some Community factors ( I personally call the factor Win trade day)  that we could ignore just to focus on the game issue. 
There is some stuff with phases where the game tries to "balance" your rating and win rate, but since the population is not as big as before it is more noticeable when this happens, before the ratings were tighter and "proving" phase you still had good chance to win some games, now it is more like you are the equalizer against the legend duo when you start hitting the leader board rating, it wouldn't feel as bad if it didn't shank you 3 wins worth of rating losing to lets say Boyce and his duo.
There seems to have some hidden rating stuff like having a guild or having old account, unranked mmr on so on(which Anet sneakily is trying to address by wiping old ratings, somewhat noticeable on GW 2 efficiency) .

Quite frankly the bracket between middle of g3 to p2 is kittened, since you are bound to play way lower and way higher then expected and lose allot of points just because. This is mostly because you have to deal with the kitten of lower tier players and leader board people at the same time if you are just casual but long term player. I would guess this the main bracket that just quits the game cause you would just bounce around g3 p2 on roller coaster since no one else wants to bother to play on this bracket. This the T3 fractal zone for PVP if we compare with PVE stuff.
I think that if you want to hold rating or climb over p2, you will need to find a duo and kinda play the system instead of the game, since it does need you to have over 60% win rate to stay afloat and over 70% to actually climb since ratios of rating become kinda kittened and you get 5 and lose 20 or something like that.  

Please teach me how to do that cause all I do is solo queue. I can't find people to duo queue with. I need to find out how to "play the system" cause playing this gamemode at all has become a nightmare. I don't even know why I still cares 😞

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56 minutes ago, Guizao.4167 said:

Please teach me how to do that cause all I do is solo queue. I can't find people to duo queue with. I need to find out how to "play the system" cause playing this gamemode at all has become a nightmare. I don't even know why I still cares 😞

This is how they trap you. Nobody is playing Gw2 Ranked in 2023, and fewer than nobody DuoQs when they do. Even if you found an honest DuoQ that you enjoy playing with, you'd be going up against people who've been abusing it for years. A DuoQ playing to play is very different from the top DuoQs exploiting the matchmaker and low population in about 10 different ways at any given moment to win at any cost.

 

They will attempt to make you feel like a worthless antisocial, but understand that's only because they're so obsessed with winning. That's what DuoQ is about. The shame is all with the wintrader cartel for turning PvP into a sport of out of game abuse, exclusion, and most importantly; degradation.

Don't let it get to you, the wintraders are dregs.

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34 minutes ago, Guizao.4167 said:

Please teach me how to do that cause all I do is solo queue. I can't find people to duo queue with. I need to find out how to "play the system" cause playing this gamemode at all has become a nightmare. I don't even know why I still cares 😞

To tell you the truth , chasing the higher rating is just annoying to deal with if you are solo queuing, queue dodging people, playing at the "right time" but that also applies with duo queue. 
To be totally truthful you can get at least Baron title or even higher on solo, but you will do the roller coaster g3 p2 allot, and you will still kinda have to stop playing to keep rating, what I found is that if you want to climb the "normal way" you have to play less, when you notice that the games are kinda kitten don't play anymore ranked since if the games are blowouts even if you win, there is big chance it will put you on the blow out team  since there aren't any other players in the bracket at this time. 
Strangely enough Unranked is more competitive if the game has deemed you High rated, because top tiers actually queue into each other and games kinda are balanced out. I actually meet way more titled players in unraked then ranked. Yes there are blow outs, mostly cause people play dumb builds, but it does seems that people do really try harder to win on their experimental dumb build vs the people in ranked that "play" meta or off meta or whatever and don't even try to win. 
My advice is just try to play for fun, focus on winning your battles and get better at the build you decided to play for the day, you are 1/10 of the game and at best you might be able to cover for one more person and when the game is kittened you can't fix it by yourself. Don't focus on the won/lost games but on won/lost battles and "Did I play this well?", if you did and still lost the game there is nothing you could have done. Only if the game is supper close and ask yourself if you did the right play and could have won the game if you did something else this is where it is on you . Someone rages, someone afks, someone plays bad you can't fix it, play your game and hope for the best.   

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17 hours ago, Vancho.8750 said:

Strangely enough Unranked is more competitive if the game has deemed you High rated, because top tiers actually queue into each other and games kinda are balanced out. I actually meet way more titled players in unraked then ranked. Yes there are blow outs, mostly cause people play dumb builds, but it does seems that people do really try harder to win on their experimental dumb build vs the people in ranked that "play" meta or off meta or whatever and don't even try to win.

It's just that no one synch queue manipulates unranked. I also get much better more fun games in unranked.

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When I bought this game 11 years ago (the days before free-to-play), the back of the gw2 box cover said I quote: "...world class pvp..." Fast-forward to today, well...I don't need to say anything further do I lmao?

I sit here and play gw2 happily leveling a guardian in open-world pve and playing through the story and sometimes think to myself, "I wonder how the dumpster-fire of spvp is..." Then I just go on my way.

18 hours ago, Vancho.8750 said:

To tell you the truth , chasing the higher rating is just annoying to deal with if you are solo queuing, queue dodging people, playing at the "right time" but that also applies with duo queue. 
To be totally truthful you can get at least Baron title or even higher on solo, but you will do the roller coaster g3 p2 allot, and you will still kinda have to stop playing to keep rating, what I found is that if you want to climb the "normal way" you have to play less, when you notice that the games are kinda kitten don't play anymore ranked since if the games are blowouts even if you win, there is big chance it will put you on the blow out team  since there aren't any other players in the bracket at this time. 
Strangely enough Unranked is more competitive if the game has deemed you High rated, because top tiers actually queue into each other and games kinda are balanced out. I actually meet way more titled players in unraked then ranked. Yes there are blow outs, mostly cause people play dumb builds, but it does seems that people do really try harder to win on their experimental dumb build vs the people in ranked that "play" meta or off meta or whatever and don't even try to win. 
My advice is just try to play for fun, focus on winning your battles and get better at the build you decided to play for the day, you are 1/10 of the game and at best you might be able to cover for one more person and when the game is kittened you can't fix it by yourself. Don't focus on the won/lost games but on won/lost battles and "Did I play this well?", if you did and still lost the game there is nothing you could have done. Only if the game is supper close and ask yourself if you did the right play and could have won the game if you did something else this is where it is on you . Someone rages, someone afks, someone plays bad you can't fix it, play your game and hope for the best.   

So what you're saying is basically to win, you have to cheat the system! Yup. That about sums it up. Isn't it GREAT how much of a moral example spvp gives to people lmao!

And yes, unranked is by far better. Although, I think that is because people don't care enough to game the system since there is nothing to play for in unranked! Ranked has the rewards. Which causes me to think that stuffing ranked with all these rewards over the years, gold, legendaries and titles was a BAD idea. Of course, I get why it was done; that is, the same answer as always: low population. But still...

 

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6 minutes ago, asket.5674 said:

At the state of spvp they should remove ranked and leaderboards, keep tournaments and move the rewards to unranked. Ranked is a complete shitshow and DuoQ is as kittenous as it gets described here in the forums. 

How could they remove ranked. They have zero resources left. Not even enough to shut it down.

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On 3/18/2023 at 4:02 PM, Guizao.4167 said:

Do you realize it's a 5v5? Do you realize that a single player can't carry 4 other players against a team of 5? I wonder I should have done when I get 3v1 far, mid is open, but my team insists in coming far to die with me. And if I leave far, I'm wrong cause I should die with them instead of chasing a clear point and drive their focus off other points. But no, you're right, I'm trash. I'm Baron of the Arena, playing solo ranked ever since 2013 and just got put in my place. Please tell me how to carry a game, and don't come up with wintrading cause' I spend my gold buying cool wep skins.

Thats kitten. Its not hard to carry 4 complete rets as long as u play roamer and grant kills fast so your team is always outnumbering fights.

Baron of the arena are usually g3 level players. And if as u said keep going to die far and complaining about team trying to plus u, then u deserve to lose.

Also how is wintrading connected with gold in any way?

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