volpenvieh.3201 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 WvW Objective Defender has always been a tricky daily to finish with the only foolproof way to earn credit being to repair a wall/gate. Now that repairing doesn't give credit for defending a structure anymore, it's kind of a lottery whether you get credit for defending or not. Just today we were defending Garrison for ~15 minutes (definitely longer than the 3 minute def event timer) until the enemies finally managed to take it but despite killing several players (I lost count but it was more than 3 since I finished invasion defender ;P), destroying siege and closing the gate to stop enemies from running back I still didn't get the objective defender and neither did several other players. I understand that you're trying to stop people from just wasting supplies and leeching defense participation while not actively playing.... but please find a way so players who are actually defending can still get credit. Thanks. If you need more input on this matter go check out this thread over in the WvW subforum: 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmakinen.1048 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 I don't think it is bugged as such, only really, really poorly designed as a mechanism. Before the change, there were two ways to get defense credit: (a) repair, or (b) kill an enemy who is eligible for capping credit when killed. Now that (a) is removed, (b) is the only possibility. Where it gets wonky is when you consider what makes a player eligible for capping credit. Again, there are only two ways: (a) kill one of the NPC defenders, or (b) stand in the circle when the object flips (other actions that rationally should give capping credit like breaking a gate or wall ... don't). Since object flip immediately terminates the defense event, the only possible way to get defense credit is to kill an enemy who has already killed an NPC, and there isn't any way to know which enemy player (if any) has done that. So, as it currently stands, the mechanism is completely broken. 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDumplinx.7983 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Unfortunately, as with most things WvW related, ArenaNet won’t acknowledge this problem exists, and if they do, it will simply be another “testing phase”. The sad thing is, we paid money for a game, not to be beta testers for a company that doesn’t fix issues (some that have existed for over half a decade). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiral.3724 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 It's stupid now to try to defend. I was so happy they put in a weekly defender achieve for my roaming and havoc friends in WvW and now they've made it so difficult to achieve, it's near impossible. I just fought in a big zerg battle on hills, killed multiple enemies (at least 5), repaired the gate, killed enemy siege ... no defense credit. STUPID. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 20 minutes ago, Spiral.3724 said: It's stupid now to try to defend. I was so happy they put in a weekly defender achieve for my roaming and havoc friends in WvW and now they've made it so difficult to achieve, it's near impossible. I just fought in a big zerg battle on hills, killed multiple enemies (at least 5), repaired the gate, killed enemy siege ... no defense credit. STUPID. Well that seige and enemys must have actualy attacked the objective tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kneitor.9367 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) The daily, and weekly have become useless, also it made keep defender achievement impossible to get now. What "special person" on the dev team thought this was a good idea? Edited March 24, 2023 by Kneitor.9367 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dotveg.5108 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) I agree that defense is ridiculously hard to be credited for. Tagging enemies that trigger the attack event does not count towards defense. Breaking siege weapons does not count towards defense (or offense, for that matter). Killing enemies within the walls of a team-owned objective does not count towards defense so long as they did not kill an NPC. Repairing walls, which is literally the main thing to do if you want to keep your enemies out, does not count towards defense anymore. Building defensive siege does not count towards defense. I understand how abusable things can get, but I mean seriously, we need some lenience here. Repairing gives too much credit? Cap it at bronze participation. Building siege in a team-owned objective too easily abusable? Make it so only repairing/building cannons, oil pots and tier-upgrade level structures counts towards defense; otherwise, enemy tagging with siege weapons regardless of origin, as long as they are in the defense radius of the objective, should give defense participation, based on how much damage was dealt and not on how many people were killed - which, need I remind the dev team, is an extremely rare occurrence with static siege weapons, facing a highly mobile, densely packed attacking zerg. Defense needs to be treated coherently, not exclusively in a matter of "kill or be killed", but taking into account suppression too. Not all defense is offensive. Not all defense should imply active aggression from the opposing force. At this time, it is almost pointless to try and defend objectives, because the game does not consider we are defending anything so long as we are not killing somebody that is already putting our team in danger. Preventing damage is highly irrelevant, and I do not think for a second that this should be the case. Edited March 24, 2023 by Dotveg.5108 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusioncon.3269 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 just spent about 20 minutes defending a tower in ebg, 20+ players on both sides, got many kills in the process, got daily invasion defender, rolled an emblem of the avenger, but did not once get tower defense credit, and other people in the fight were similarly perplexed based on the above descriptions of what likely constitutes credit, it makes sense, it was QL, green owned it, it had been opened by a cata on the ledge by blue, and then we kept fighting over it at the walls, so nobody we killed while defending had killed a guard or been anywhere near the capture ring. please consider reverting the repair change until defense (and offense) credit can be more reasonably achieved, or you're just gonna keep on punishing the majority of the players in this game mode for the leeching actions of a few. there's plenty of other leeching going on like AFK farmers, PvE meta leeches, etc. that goes unaddressed, why was this particular situation so important to "fix" while making it feel so much worse for your active players. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aly Cat.9415 Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Something else is they finally started rewarding healing and reviving in PvE, but not WvW where teamwork also matters? Debatably more so? They say the changed rewards to encourage real battles, but there's little to no credit for participating as intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Bellina.5419 said: I was trying to defend 1v3 on a keep yesterday, did not get any type of credits at all, even I slowed them down for 30mins until help arrived. You have to get a kill credit, not just "slow them down". If you didn't get a kill credit, it may have to do with not doing enough damage to "tag" them or enough support to the player who did kill them. If, after that you still didn't get defense credit, that's the bugged part. Edited July 25, 2023 by Chaba.5410 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethebubbeth.9140 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 So it took me nearly two hours to get credit for one defense event today for dailies. For the longest time no group I was in could hold back an assault on a tower/keep/stonemist. I started roaming and would kill people trying to take camps, and received no credit. Reading through this thread... I had to let them kill NPCs at the camp first before killing them to get defense credit? In what world is that a sane metric. Sorry guard, I had to let them kill you before I could fight back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esperano.2367 Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 (edited) Just adding that since this is still the case, the entire daily wizards vault chest is at stake because you have to complete all of the dailies to get the chest. There's no longer any option to skip a poor daily if it comes up. *sigh* I am either going ignore the daily vault those days or switch where in the game I'm spending my time (AKA switch my vault to no WvW and see if the other mode dailies are less broken) 😛 Edited September 5, 2023 by Esperano.2367 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabin.5149 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 today I defended mul;tiple keeps getting credit for killing invaders even got an emblem of the avenger and got credit for no object defenders. It seems for every six objects that you defend you may be credited for one if you are lucky 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZilentNight.5089 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Defending objectives should honestly grant you credit if the timer ticks down and you are inside the area, you being there is Detering the enemy from taking that objective. I really hope Anet changes this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylthan.1693 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Just bring back the old way, repairing counts and no reward for a successfull defense, it was waaaaaaaaaay better or at least it was working... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknomancer.4895 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 8/24/2023 at 2:25 AM, ethebubbeth.9140 said: So it took me nearly two hours to get credit for one defense event today for dailies. Any daily chore that can take that long should not be a daily chore. Poor WV options strike again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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