shion.2084 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 It's not like we see a lot of scrappers any more after the last three nerfs.... but yet it seems that having even one show up in MAT was a problem? " Kinetic Accelerators: This trait has been reworked. Apply boons to nearby allies when you successfully combo with a blast or leap finisher. Your function gyro is now a blast finisher. " So are they giving us back the nerf on quickness here ... but making it so we have to blast or leap? The problem of course being that in order to do something like say attack with mortar... I'm going to have to rocket leap against a wall in one of my mortar fields first before shooting? Or, delightfully use up my blast gyro on a field I put at my feet to shoot that ranger at 1200 range who is currently unblock-ably hitting me for 15k damage with its opening strike... or the Gunflame hitting me for 13k... twice... while I try to lay down fields and hop in them???? Then if I don't manage to mortar them to death in like 2 seconds I have to figure out how to re-apply this? This is like incomprehensible in PvP, seriously WTF? 3 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenwulfe.5360 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) Yea this change is not good. It just moves the goalposts actually reduces our utility and people thinking this is a win for hScrapper are being a bit silly. Firebrand's are still going to get chosen over you just on the simple fact they don't have to go through hoops to apply quickness now, they provide aegis, and they have a greater range of utility because of it. What does a scrapper bring now? Scrappers are going to be taken only if there is no other options (i.e. if you refuse to be a mechanist, holosmith, or play a different class and there is no one else to fill that slot). Edited June 12, 2023 by Ravenwulfe.5360 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyBat.9034 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) At this point, I just wish Scrapper was a selfish class with no teamsupport so anet would just stop nerfing it into the ground. Edited June 12, 2023 by SleepyBat.9034 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 The cd reduction without having traits is a buff overall to all elites though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyBat.9034 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Just now, Dawdler.8521 said: The cd reduction without having traits is a buff overall to all elites though. Doesn't matter, scrapper is still absolute trash. 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 minute ago, SleepyBat.9034 said: Doesn't matter, scrapper is still absolute trash. I neither confirm or deny that, still a buff 😐 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenwulfe.5360 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, Dawdler.8521 said: The cd reduction without having traits is a buff overall to all elites though. Not really a buff if this just pushes the utility of a scrapper away. And combo finishing means more absurd stuff in kits just to maintain quickness. That's not a buff. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ravenwulfe.5360 said: Not really a buff if this just pushes the utility of a scrapper away. And combo finishing means more absurd stuff in kits just to maintain quickness. That's not a buff. The cd trait removal is a straight buff to elites unless someone can explain to me how it isnt. Tools in particular has been one of those traitlines that few pick... but core can pick it as a third line with the same core base as for example a scrapper and get some pretty strong cd traits, power wrench and gadgeteer. And if scrapper picked tools, then of course he sacrifice something else, like alchemy for example and the argument repeats for hgh and elixir use. With the new balance patch the third traitline of core will be watered down and elites will only be stronger with the "free" cd reductions. That scrapper got some tiny specific nerfs is... really meh. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasss.1208 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dawdler.8521 said: The cd trait removal is a straight buff to elites unless someone can explain to me how it isnt. Nade holo for example was running Elixir S, and HGH. Elixir S, and Toss Elixir S was excluded from the reduction treatment, so Nade holo just got worse. It'll still pick up Alchemy, because that traitline is strong, and it'll still pick up HGH, because of the increased durations, and might on 3+3 skills, that is uses. But its defense just got worse. Did core get the short end of the stick? Yes. But acting like e-specs got buffed, just because they got a smaller slap in the face is wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzik.5873 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Nerf is not the word... hmm... let see... its more like they bring scrapper to "its need a rework" level... again... for the third time... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echostorm.9143 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 4 hours ago, shion.2084 said: It's not like we see a lot of scrappers any more after the last three nerfs.... but yet it seems that having even one show up in MAT was a problem? " Kinetic Accelerators: This trait has been reworked. Apply boons to nearby allies when you successfully combo with a blast or leap finisher. Your function gyro is now a blast finisher. " So are they giving us back the nerf on quickness here ... but making it so we have to blast or leap? The problem of course being that in order to do something like say attack with mortar... I'm going to have to rocket leap against a wall in one of my mortar fields first before shooting? Or, delightfully use up my blast gyro on a field I put at my feet to shoot that ranger at 1200 range who is currently unblock-ably hitting me for 15k damage with its opening strike... or the Gunflame hitting me for 13k... twice... while I try to lay down fields and hop in them???? Then if I don't manage to mortar them to death in like 2 seconds I have to figure out how to re-apply this? This is like incomprehensible in PvP, seriously WTF? This is crazy even for anet, most players barely know what CC is, they expect them to do this sort of acrobatics on a class that people already don't want to play? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted June 12, 2023 Author Share Posted June 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Ravenwulfe.5360 said: Not really a buff if this just pushes the utility of a scrapper away. And combo finishing means more absurd stuff in kits just to maintain quickness. That's not a buff. What quickness?? Scrappers already got that removed 4 nerfs ago in PvP. Kinetic accelerators for PvP doesn't actually accelerate anything ... it makes you aim better with fury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted June 12, 2023 Author Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said: The cd reduction without having traits is a buff overall to all elites though. The meta scrapper builds don't use any of those skills that the CD reduction applies to. The one change this patch gives is a fundamental nerf to its GM trait. Edited June 12, 2023 by shion.2084 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted June 12, 2023 Author Share Posted June 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said: Tools in particular has been one of those traitlines that few pick... but core can pick it as a third line with the same core base as Tools is the fundamental traitline in PvP that all metas use. Its needed because of the utility CD reduction, the access to swiftness, the damage increase and the only condi removal these builds carry. We are talking about PvP here... and both holo and scrapper are fundamentally based around explosives and tools. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted June 12, 2023 Author Share Posted June 12, 2023 Gah... I put this in the engineer forum and not in PvP... How do I move this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlPower.2476 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said: The cd reduction without having traits is a buff overall to all elites though. Speaking about PvP They destroyed tool-kit; the second best kit aside nades; Also Elixir S is getting a hard nerf. Slicky Shoes is getting a hard nerf either. Those skills were used by Holo and Core too. Most of alternative non-meta builds uses tool-kit and Slicky shoes. And since Kinetic Accelerators is getting an active nerf; gyros' sinergy is getting affected too. Elixir U, R and C buffs don't compensate. But well, CmC buffed Catalyst again, so what's the problem? Edited June 12, 2023 by AlPower.2476 3 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanabal lecter.2495 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 It's a sad day to be a scrapper, that kinetic accelerator change is hot garbage. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean.6297 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) All my favorite builds got nerfed. So long GW2. I just can't deal with the anti-fun "balancing" anymore. Edited June 27, 2023 by Sean.6297 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghos.1326 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 On 6/12/2023 at 11:48 AM, shion.2084 said: It's not like we see a lot of scrappers any more after the last three nerfs.... but yet it seems that having even one show up in MAT was a problem? " Kinetic Accelerators: This trait has been reworked. Apply boons to nearby allies when you successfully combo with a blast or leap finisher. Your function gyro is now a blast finisher. " So are they giving us back the nerf on quickness here ... but making it so we have to blast or leap? The problem of course being that in order to do something like say attack with mortar... I'm going to have to rocket leap against a wall in one of my mortar fields first before shooting? Or, delightfully use up my blast gyro on a field I put at my feet to shoot that ranger at 1200 range who is currently unblock-ably hitting me for 15k damage with its opening strike... or the Gunflame hitting me for 13k... twice... while I try to lay down fields and hop in them???? Then if I don't manage to mortar them to death in like 2 seconds I have to figure out how to re-apply this? This is like incomprehensible in PvP, seriously WTF? Hmm, I recommend looking at elixir c now. they halved the cd of that util. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted June 27, 2023 Author Share Posted June 27, 2023 I am not sure how elixir C will help me with ranger combat against a gunflame, DE, LB ranger…. It can’t supply boons unless I get into something that has already hit me with ranger conditions… like a necro. maybe I’m missing something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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