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My friend has a free account and she only really plays 2-3 hours per week so she wont be getting the expansions. What's the best core spec for fractals? We're at T2 right now and she's using engi, which is not great bc it has high apm.

I'm leaning towards guardian with hammer and mostly signets. Second option is thief with dagger/dagger. What do you guys think? Any core specs that are better? Just wanted more experienced players opinions before we create a new toon.

I'll also probably just buy her HoT+PoF once it goes on sale, but for now, we're stuck with core.

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Guardian, with a build like this one for instanced content http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PWwAw+tFrjhwqYk4wrotmA-zRJYsRDLISKAnBA-e You just spam skill on CD and you apply a lot of burnings to foes.  You spam F2 F3 + healing skill to not die. Easy.
I don't know if F2P account has access to the Trading Post and so Grieving Inscriptions https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Intact_Mosaic + she might not get ascended trinkets with Grieving neither. Dire and Sinister could be a solution, but a bit more expensive.

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afaik core engi is the only core spec that can reasonably compete with actual especs in instanced content. after that every other core spec is at or below what people like to refer to as boondps level, so i feel like the differences thereafter wont really be that more signficant

core warr, guard and ele are the core specs that supposedly still make it above 30k (but less than 35k)

they are followed by core thief and mesmer (somewhere within 25-30k)

core ranger and necro would probably break 25k if they had access to viper gear or condi + dura stats, but its expac locked

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For Power:

there's a core 111111 build that can hit 30k. however using any skills or utilities that has a cooldown will lower your dps, so your best bet is to just spam 1, and use skills without cooldowns like shouts and have signet elite as a passive heal. This can be played by a disabled player, thats literally how easy it is. I know I included a few dragon's pieces which is not available to core players. You can probably berserkers it but it will slightly be overcapping. Consider grieving pieces instead of dragon's to increase DPS and also to go below crit cap, that can increase the burning damage. 

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PWwAIx7lJwmYUMM2JO0L+raA-zVRYBhzfOqRBlRtFQFJgtTDFmBAA-w

Best thing of this build is that it was widely used in raids 7 years ago because it gives perma protection and is easy to play with very little margin of error. There has been no nerfs to this build and will be buffed next patch instead due to signet cooldown reduction. Trust me it works, our guild just beat sabetha with this. This is really good with stationary bosses like sabetha.

There is no ranged option for this build so you have severe downtime if you are forced out of melee, just like all warriors builds anyway. 

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Rotation is literally 1111111 to abuse symbols on hammer 1 and the symbol trait to get full stacks. You CANNOT press any other action button. Apart from those with no cast times, (3 virtues, SOJ and SYG). 

Spam Virtues and SOJ on cooldown and SYG on cooldown. Yes, SYG on cooldown undermines the actual existence of guardian but with some luck it might actually be placed randomly at the right time 😜. SYG cannot be used as a breakstun because you need it for reso uptime and DPS. Just spamming that will give you 100% reso uptime. Feel free to use it as a breakstun instead if you are paired with another reso provider eg. another guardian.

 

For Condi:
There's another hybrid condi build that can hit 30k or at least very close to it. balthazar runes with smouldering, full sinisters and ascended food to hit just under condi duration cap @ 96.67% instead of using expertise gear (viper's) which will bring condi , very similar to low intensity willbender condi but using zeal instead of willbender specialisation .

Weakness is that you don't have access to alac and using utilities will greatly reduce your dps. If you have POF, some grieving pieces will work well but the dps benefit ratio needs to be tested. The importance of gear on condi food and expertise has to be greatly emphasized here. Swapping to bursting runes fishy bowl is okay but you will only have about 85% condi duration which will lead to a dps loss. for the one hand you can use sword or sceptre.

If you want to go high intensity, you can go whirling wrath greatsword, This build has a very high APM but is no different than spamming on cd. 

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PWwAs+xlJg1xqYn4QootOA-zxIY/ojvMSoCyNBcYaUwZFA-e

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Rotation: Just like the willbender build, there is no fixed rotation. There is very high APM but its easy to play. Just remember that you don't need reso but you kinda want to ensure torch 4 is constantly used, skill 2 is constantly used, and when swapping to GS, use it on burning field for the whirling wrath finisher. but no weapon swap will get you to the 30k mark already which can clear raids, strikes and fractals anyway.

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All core builds have to be very deliberate. e-Specs by its very nature is a subspecialisation that sets you on a narrow course with variety on traits, hence the allowable margin of error is a lot greater if you have access to willbender. 

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updated on rotation because i have time.
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19 hours ago, Noodle Ant.1605 said:

afaik core engi is the only core spec that can reasonably compete with actual especs in instanced content. after that every other core spec is at or below what people like to refer to as boondps level, so i feel like the differences thereafter wont really be that more signficant

core warr, guard and ele are the core specs that supposedly still make it above 30k (but less than 35k)

they are followed by core thief and mesmer (somewhere within 25-30k)

core ranger and necro would probably break 25k if they had access to viper gear or condi + dura stats, but its expac locked

Yeah, surprisingly core engi hits hard if you can pull it off, my friend can't though. Probably just going with guardian. Thanks.

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3 hours ago, xellink.7568 said:

For Power:

there's a core 111111 build that can hit 30k. however using any skills or utilities that has a cooldown will lower your dps, so your best bet is to just spam 1, and use skills without cooldowns like shouts and have signet elite as a passive heal. This can be played by a disabled player, thats literally how easy it is. I know I included a few dragon's pieces which is not available to core players. You can probably berserkers it but it will slightly be overcapping. Consider grieving pieces instead of dragon's to increase DPS and also to go below crit cap, that can increase the burning damage. 

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PWwAIx7lJwmYUMM2JO0L+raA-zVRYBhzfOqRBlRtFQFJgtTDFmBAA-w

Best thing of this build is that it was widely used in raids 7 years ago because it gives perma protection and is easy to play with very little margin of error. There has been no nerfs to this build and will be buffed next patch instead due to signet cooldown reduction. Trust me it works, our guild just beat sabetha with this. This is really good with stationary bosses like sabetha.

There is no ranged option for this build so you have severe downtime if you are forced out of melee, just like all warriors builds anyway. 

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Rotation is literally 1111111 to abuse symbols on hammer 1 and the symbol trait to get full stacks. You CANNOT press any other action button. Apart from those with no cast times, (3 virtues, SOJ and SYG). 

Spam Virtues and SOJ on cooldown and SYG on cooldown. Yes, SYG on cooldown undermines the actual existence of guardian but with some luck it might actually be placed randomly at the right time 😜. SYG cannot be used as a breakstun because you need it for reso uptime and DPS. Just spamming that will give you 100% reso uptime. Feel free to use it as a breakstun instead if you are paired with another reso provider eg. another guardian.

 

For Condi:
There's another hybrid condi build that can hit 30k or at least very close to it. balthazar runes with smouldering, full sinisters and ascended food to hit just under condi duration cap @ 96.67% instead of using expertise gear (viper's) which will bring condi , very similar to low intensity willbender condi but using zeal instead of willbender specialisation .

Weakness is that you don't have access to alac and using utilities will greatly reduce your dps. If you have POF, some grieving pieces will work well but the dps benefit ratio needs to be tested. The importance of gear on condi food and expertise has to be greatly emphasized here. Swapping to bursting runes fishy bowl is okay but you will only have about 85% condi duration which will lead to a dps loss. for the one hand you can use sword or sceptre.

If you want to go high intensity, you can go whirling wrath greatsword, This build has a very high APM but is no different than spamming on cd. 

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PWwAs+xlJg1xqYn4QootOA-zxIY/ojvMSoCyNBcYaUwZFA-e

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Rotation: Just like the willbender build, there is no fixed rotation. There is very high APM but its easy to play. Just remember that you don't need reso but you kinda want to ensure torch 4 is constantly used, skill 2 is constantly used, and when swapping to GS, use it on burning field for the whirling wrath finisher. but no weapon swap will get you to the 30k mark already which can clear raids, strikes and fractals anyway.

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All core builds have to be very deliberate. e-Specs by its very nature is a subspecialisation that sets you on a narrow course with variety on traits, hence the allowable margin of error is a lot greater if you have access to willbender. 

This is exactly what I was hoping with core guard with hammer and your build is better than mine. We'll just go with full berserker since her weapons and armors will be exotic. I'll just mail her the items she can't get in the TP. Thank you.

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On 6/14/2023 at 1:02 AM, xellink.7568 said:

For Power:

there's a core 111111 build that can hit 30k. however using any skills or utilities that has a cooldown will lower your dps, so your best bet is to just spam 1, and use skills without cooldowns like shouts and have signet elite as a passive heal. This can be played by a disabled player, thats literally how easy it is. I know I included a few dragon's pieces which is not available to core players. You can probably berserkers it but it will slightly be overcapping. Consider grieving pieces instead of dragon's to increase DPS and also to go below crit cap, that can increase the burning damage. 

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PWwAIx7lJwmYUMM2JO0L+raA-zVRYBhzfOqRBlRtFQFJgtTDFmBAA-w

Best thing of this build is that it was widely used in raids 7 years ago because it gives perma protection and is easy to play with very little margin of error. There has been no nerfs to this build and will be buffed next patch instead due to signet cooldown reduction. Trust me it works, our guild just beat sabetha with this. This is really good with stationary bosses like sabetha.

There is no ranged option for this build so you have severe downtime if you are forced out of melee, just like all warriors builds anyway. 

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Rotation is literally 1111111 to abuse symbols on hammer 1 and the symbol trait to get full stacks. You CANNOT press any other action button. Apart from those with no cast times, (3 virtues, SOJ and SYG). 

Spam Virtues and SOJ on cooldown and SYG on cooldown. Yes, SYG on cooldown undermines the actual existence of guardian but with some luck it might actually be placed randomly at the right time 😜. SYG cannot be used as a breakstun because you need it for reso uptime and DPS. Just spamming that will give you 100% reso uptime. Feel free to use it as a breakstun instead if you are paired with another reso provider eg. another guardian.

This doesn't produce 30k dps even if you somehow get 100% resolution uptime (one of the least common boons in the game). You mention literally spamming 1, but do you mean spamming 1 + virtues (which gives you something like 15% resolution uptime)?

The best core build I could get w/o relying on resolution uptime and actually only using autoattack gave about 24k dps. And it doesn't use virtues because honor does more damage (the GM trait to extend symbol duration alone outdamages all of virtues): http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PWQAIDbCcoXUTgA-zxQYhw5vjCUQJY70QhZAAA-e

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On 6/13/2023 at 5:52 PM, Shrike.3968 said:

My friend has a free account and she only really plays 2-3 hours per week so she wont be getting the expansions. What's the best core spec for fractals? We're at T2 right now and she's using engi, which is not great bc it has high apm.

I'm leaning towards guardian with hammer and mostly signets. Second option is thief with dagger/dagger. What do you guys think? Any core specs that are better? Just wanted more experienced players opinions before we create a new toon.

I'll also probably just buy her HoT+PoF once it goes on sale, but for now, we're stuck with core.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PWwAEx3lVwQYXsJGJO0L+rKA-zxYYhomD2GEyIojyo2UoiKw2phCzAAA-e

It's not with hammer but greatsword, sword/focus. Bursts with 4 and 2 on greatsword (if possible cast 2 into the hitbox of enemys to make all projectiles hit=more dmg), fill with autoattack, 3 and 5( 5 one time pressed = damage over time, 2nd time pressed pulls enemys affected by it (to cleave them easier)).

Sword 2 and 3 are good damaging skills paired with focus 5 4. Keep in mind sword 3 interrupts while moving, stand still if you can. Fill with autoattacks as always.

If you don't like weapon swap just camp on greatword.

Only 40% critchance is needed (without boons etc) because of some traits. Keep in mind burning increases the critchance by 10%. Resolution gives you +25% more critchance (greatsword 4 brings that boon). That paired with fury(+25 critchance) means 100% critchance. Otherwise 45-55% critchance should be fine too depending on your opportunities to gather gear.

Virtues can be used to obtain the 10% dmg boost because of the trait. (Inspiring Virtue)

Skill 8 is optional. I prefer "Advance!" which synergizes with the trait Unscathed Contender(more dps).

Healing skill is optional too but this is my preference.

 

Core Condition Guardian could be an option too. I guess carrion(power, vitality, condition damage) would be the best choice with an core account. Dire or rabid are viable too especially while ascended carrion trinkets are rare.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PWwAs+xlJwQYdsKGJO8KarLA-zRIYb0xHGJVQXC4MLwcWBA-e

Very simple handling: Every third attack triggers burning via trait (do NOT use F1 or it's passive effect won't inflict burning when it's on cooldown), F2 and F3 can be used for +10% strike dmg or for usual purpose. Priory sequence: Purging Flames > Torch 4 (can be casted 2 times with Radiant Fire (trait)) >Sword of Justice, Scepter 2 and Sword 2 > Sword 3 > Torch 5 > Autoattacks. Use "Feel My Wrath!" if you don't have quickness or fury (Sword 2 gives fury too) or swap it with Signet of Courage. If you have problems with ground targeting use this: Option>Combat/Movement>Snap Ground Target to Current Target. If your Group needs more CC swap Signet of Wrath with Sanctuary (not shown in the description but it does multiple knockbacks).

 

Maybe take a look on core warrior if you like signets.

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3 hours ago, Yaki.9563 said:

This doesn't produce 30k dps even if you somehow get 100% resolution uptime (one of the least common boons in the game). You mention literally spamming 1, but do you mean spamming 1 + virtues (which gives you something like 15% resolution uptime)?

You need to spam SoJ and SYG and all the virtues for full reso uptime. You need to spread the virtues to keep up the inspiring virtues bonus. Just set one of the utility to autocast or something. Then press 111111 manually? And mouse click on the other utility and virtues I guess.

I understand you cannot use SYG as a break stun or for stability if you decide to use it for DPS on cooldown. The point of the build is that it's a bonus if it lands at the right time while spamming. 

You cannot use any other skill or you will lose all your symbolic avenger stacks. There's a ramp up time as well to get the right amount of stacks. 

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1 hour ago, xellink.7568 said:

You need to spam SoJ and SYG and all the virtues for full reso uptime.

 

You can use Healer's Resolution instead of Right-Hand-Strength too for additional uptime. Both has no impact on golem but in realistic situations when you use your healing skill it's more useful than Right-Hand-Strength while your critchance is already at max.

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On 6/14/2023 at 2:21 AM, Noodle Ant.1605 said:

afaik core engi is the only core spec that can reasonably compete with actual especs in instanced content. after that every other core spec is at or below what people like to refer to as boondps level, so i feel like the differences thereafter wont really be that more signficant

core warr, guard and ele are the core specs that supposedly still make it above 30k (but less than 35k)

they are followed by core thief and mesmer (somewhere within 25-30k)

core ranger and necro would probably break 25k if they had access to viper gear or condi + dura stats, but its expac locked

There was a core guardian spec - Zeal/Radiance/Virtues IIRC - that did competitive damage as long as you could keep Aegis up. It's taken some light nerfs, but I don't think enough to knock it to boondps level. You don't see it nowadays because power willbender outperforms it, but if you someone has to play core, it's probably worth looking into.

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3 hours ago, kaese.8765 said:

You can use Healer's Resolution instead of Right-Hand-Strength too for additional uptime. Both has no impact on golem but in realistic situations when you use your healing skill it's more useful than Right-Hand-Strength while your critchance is already at max.

I calculated 49% critical chance with RHS. if you remove that you need to swap out dragons for more berserkers.

Its good to have right hand strength so you can switch to sceptre to reduce ranged downtime. Heal is okay, but you kinda need to use 11111 without interruptions to maintain full stacks of symbolic avenger. Interrupting with heals intermittently will lead to a 2k dps loss. Therefore I opted for signets and the goal is not to use them unless the situation calls for it. 

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12 hours ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

There was a core guardian spec - Zeal/Radiance/Virtues IIRC - that did competitive damage as long as you could keep Aegis up. It's taken some light nerfs, but I don't think enough to knock it to boondps level. You don't see it nowadays because power willbender outperforms it, but if you someone has to play core, it's probably worth looking into.

i dont really know (or care) where exactly "boondps level" is, but it was prominent during reaper buff discussions back when it was benching 33-34k (i.e. people arguing that it needed buffs because "it was doing less than boondps"). tbh my own perception of boondps level is only ~27-28k, anything over is frankly a bit busted in my eyes

the most recent core guard bench i could find was 38.4k but was done before banner/spirit/unique buff removal with all 12 boons in the game (possible, but a bit of a stretch especially in fractal pugs; we are already arguing the availablity of resolution in this thread). calculating for unique buff removal and cutting back to a more reasonable 8 boons (pug groups still fail to acheive this sometimes), it lands somewhere around 32-33k, and any buffs it received since then wouldve been mostly cancelled by the unscathed contender nerf/rework. so im looking at ~33k which is similar to pre-buffed reaper dps and within the range i provided anyway (30-35k)

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20 hours ago, xellink.7568 said:

I calculated 49% critical chance with RHS. if you remove that you need to swap out dragons for more berserkers.

First of all core accounts do NOT have access to dragon stats. EoD would be needed in this case. The topic creator wanted a build for someone with core account. Berserker stats mixed with Valkyrie would be viable then.

You only need 40% critchance without boons etc.

Radiant Power +10% (via Burning on target), Righteous Instincts +25 (via Resolution), Fury +25%

There is no need for 109% critchance

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1 hour ago, kaese.8765 said:

First of all core accounts do NOT have access to dragon stats. EoD would be needed in this case. The topic creator wanted a build for someone with core account. Berserker stats mixed with Valkyrie would be viable then.

You only need 40% critchance without boons etc.

Radiant Power +10% (via Burning on target), Righteous Instincts +25 (via Resolution), Fury +25%

There is no need for 109% critchance

You are right. That might increase DPS by a negligible amount through burning.

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