Naxos.2503 Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 If you want to make a Just pool, representative of the playerbase to give advice on how to balance the game, the last thing you do is compose the group of the exact same type of player. You either make it fully varied, with equal representation of casual, pro, old and new players. Or you build it to reflect your playerbase as it is currently and renew the batch every time you call on it. The first method is easier to manage, the second require more work but is more accurate a representation. By definition "Fun" for a casual player and for a pro player is generally Very different. Taking advice from only one will alienate the other. Taking the opinions of both allows for atleast a compromise. It let's the dev see what is considered efficient and thus fun from a pro player's perspective, and what is interesting and thus fun for a casual. Honestly though ? If it isn't already happening, then I dont see it happening. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebeard.1746 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 No. Content creators, more often than not actually make games worse because their perspective is from the standpoint of someone no lifing it, and even when their lemmings agree they have good ideas, 90% of the time it falls flat with the rest of the player base. Asmongold single handedly ruined wow while gaslighting the devs who listened to his advice. 5 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 On 8/12/2023 at 8:07 PM, Woof.8246 said: As the title say, what if this happened and was consisted of trustworthy people , from different expertise like Nike for his WvW-boonfest-viewpoint ? The requirements to join are simple , where you choose from 2 options : a) will you do your best to help your "friends" , before loosing them to other games (most likely will come back after 6 months --2 years) ? b) will you prevent a "Wildstar" scenario ( before you loose both friends and game) ? Edit: Wouldn't be a better solution although ? High end players tend to propose decisions that favor their guilds - teams , in order to have edge over the competition and get well known to the community . Youtubers in other hand , they are already loved by the community and as as side project they are competitive by nature . I believe , that we just need the "right" people that they will aim for the survival of the game, rather that help their friends get an edge over the competition and the fame that follows . Errr... I saw his balance patch reviews at how great the new changes were to scrapper. So yeah since that was completely not the case and he didn't consider the PvP implications... lets say no he should never be allowed to balance classes he knows nothing about. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azorean.1850 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 wtf is a "Shadowly High Table" ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega.6801 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, azorean.1850 said: wtf is a "Shadowly High Table" ? A table in a seedy bar maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 (edited) What's with your weird Teapot obsession, op? And since when streamers are correct about anything just because they're streamers? Weird, mostly pointless idea. Edited August 16, 2023 by Sobx.1758 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kozumi.5816 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 WvW is what the game looks like when you make a "shadowy high table". You make a game mode for < 100 people. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 (edited) I love these 'what if' scenarios that 'never will'. Like, somehow the survival of a game that's almost 11 years in is a critical concern over balance (because that's never happened to begin with) because of how streamers do their thing? Like ... What even is this discussion? Edited August 16, 2023 by Obtena.7952 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTGuevara.9018 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 On 8/12/2023 at 8:07 PM, Woof.8246 said: As the title say, what if this happened and was consisted of trustworthy people , from different expertise like Nike for his WvW-boonfest-viewpoint ? The requirements to join are simple , where you choose from 2 options : a) will you do your best to help your "friends" , before loosing them to other games (most likely will come back after 6 months --2 years) ? b) will you prevent a "Wildstar" scenario ( before you loose both friends and game) ? Edit: Wouldn't be a better solution although ? High end players tend to propose decisions that favor their guilds - teams , in order to have edge over the competition and get well known to the community . Youtubers in other hand , they are already loved by the community and as as side project they are competitive by nature . I believe , that we just need the "right" people that they will aim for the survival of the game, rather that help their friends get an edge over the competition and the fame that follows . You mean like the 'shadowy high table' that already exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 19 hours ago, Omega.6801 said: A table in a seedy bar maybe. Do they get cowls? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryou.2398 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 On 8/13/2023 at 4:38 AM, Biziut.3594 said: I do not think You Tubers are the best autorithy when it comes to the things this game / balancing needs. ANet have their data, it's their game, and even tho we all know how the balance is looking in this game (hell I am a mostly deadeye thief myself), in my opinion responsibility of balancing the game lies in ANet and ANet only. We (youtubers included) can only whine or be happy about it for some feedback and constructive criticism. No they do not but you would be surprised how many decisions get influenced because of streamers in other games though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biziut.3594 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 28 minutes ago, Ryou.2398 said: No they do not but you would be surprised how many decisions get influenced because of streamers in other games though. I know, sadly. I just don't care since we talk here about guild wars. Call me a boomer but I'm not really a fan of this streamers cults nor streamers themselves. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryou.2398 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Biziut.3594 said: I know, sadly. I just don't care since we talk here about guild wars. Call me a boomer but I'm not really a fan of this streamers cults nor streamers themselves. I have never been for it neither it degrades gaming in my experience, but I do understand people trying to make their passions into income. Edited August 17, 2023 by Ryou.2398 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westenev.5289 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) Idk, I've never been able to sit through a gw2 stream/video and fully agree with a streamers views on the game (particularly in regards to wvw or PvP), so to me this sounds like a terrible idea. Edited August 17, 2023 by Westenev.5289 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eekasqueak.7850 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 No, please no 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 On 8/16/2023 at 7:30 PM, JTGuevara.9018 said: You mean like the 'shadowy high table' that already exists? Basically, I think OP missed the whole discord balance drama from last year. Without the table where would I get a new signature? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchonWing.9480 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) I think the problem is the most vocal players are being mistaken by the ones that knows what's best for the game. What's best for the game is an incredibly nebulous concept though. One can be very skilled or knowledgeable at playing the game but not be good at changing the game. It is easy to say remove this or add that, but it all needs to be a plan that leaves things sustainable in the future. And unfortunately when it comes to big competitive streamers, short sightedness tends to be a common problem, especially if they find themselves stuck in an echo chamber. The same can be said with certain guilds as well, if they isolate themselves from the rest of the community. But you don't need to take my ramblings at face value. As many have pointed out, something like this has been tried, and it's amazing how that lead to many shortsighted and myopic decisions. People that can't look past their own corner of the game can certainly give feedback, but this is why we need a multitude of viewpoints. And honestly just read any balance discussion. Very few people would ask for nerfs to something they play, usually under the narrative that they work really hard and everyone else is just exploiting something. That mentality does not simply go away even as people get better at the game. This is not to say that content creators shouldn't be heard. But one should really consider how set in their ways they are, and how open they are to other people's ideas. Edited August 18, 2023 by ArchonWing.9480 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronmy.3298 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Didn't read. Just gonna say ''Oh yes, the shadow cabal'' and leave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainbow Dragon.7268 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) Youtuber's/streamer's are cringe i hope this never becomes a thing it will be even more biased than it is now. Edited August 19, 2023 by Rainbow Dragon.7268 reasons 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 On 8/17/2023 at 9:54 AM, shion.2084 said: Do they get cowls? Do they have to Shrive the Trousers of Sanctity and Fasten the windows with the Red Cords of Intellect at the beginning of every meeting? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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