gkoogz.3089 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 because everyone will choose Theif. +5% dps simple as. 13 2 3 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akisohida.8963 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 40 minutes ago, gkoogz.3089 said: because everyone will choose Theif. +5% dps simple as I mean, I went with the one that increases my Condi damage whenever I inflict Weakness, since I'm playing a Harbinger. 🤷♂️ 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stx.4857 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Yes the Relic choices so far are very lackluster. The system feels super rushed. - Several power damage options that approximately average out to 5% strike damage. - Several Condi duration options that give you a total of 15% duration. - Several boon application options mainly from your heal skill. - A bunch of horrible proc effects on elite skill use, all with a 30 second cooldown. Did I miss anything? 66% speed increase that doesn’t work anyone? 15 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkoogz.3089 Posted August 23 Author Share Posted August 23 51 minutes ago, Stx.4857 said: Did I miss anything? 66% speed increase that doesn’t work anyone? Yeah, you missed the one where if you fear someone they slow down slightly. HAHAHAHAHHAA 5 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echostorm.9143 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 They do feel like a nerf, I hope Anet spends some time refactoring them and gets away from tying effects to unrelated actions. Most people save their elites for when they need them this is more, just mash buttons to make stuff happen. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilin.8056 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 (edited) I think the idea is that you are supposed to quickswap between multiple relics according to situation, instead of permanently stick with one. Edited August 23 by Vilin.8056 1 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rrusse.7058 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 I would imagine they have some relics they are keeping behind the curtain and are tweaking and adjusting for update 2 whenever that is. As it stands currently this more or less provides little to no diversity. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idpersona.3810 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 2 hours ago, gkoogz.3089 said: because everyone will choose Theif. +5% dps simple as. This is what I did since none of the others seemed like a good fit for my Warrior, just trying to get through the story. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chripsy.1027 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Relic of Aristocracy gives me +15% condition damage increase. So far that seems to trump all the other condition based damage relics which is a shame because I would like to have some diversity and do some build-crafting. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfCarson.7124 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 I mean pretty much everyone chose scholar runes before, so at least with the relics there is just a little more choice. I'm sure Anet will tweak the current relics and make some more viable, as there are interesting concepts attached to them. The biggest issue to me is the fact so many of these are attached to elite skills. That needs to change. 10 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalavier.1097 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 5 hours ago, Akisohida.8963 said: I mean, I went with the one that increases my Condi damage whenever I inflict Weakness, since I'm playing a Harbinger. 🤷♂️ Which one is that? I grabbed sunless for my condi Harbringer for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stx.4857 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 They are mistaken, there is no condi damage relic. They increase Condi duration by 15% which is still good. Aristocracy seems to be the best option for this. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stx.4857 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 There is a relic that hasn’t been added to the wiki yet, which increases the effectiveness of might by 25% for a duration. That could be a good one for Condi builds and maybe power builds too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boh.4568 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 But everyone has chosen scholar as meta up till now. What changed? 6 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvyn.4750 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 41 minutes ago, ProfCarson.7124 said: I mean pretty much everyone chose scholar runes before, so at least with the relics there is just a little more choice. I'm sure Anet will tweak the current relics and make some more viable, as there are interesting concepts attached to them. The biggest issue to me is the fact so many of these are attached to elite skills. That needs to change. Perhaps in PvE...there used to be much more rune diversity in WvW until now. Runes I've used in WvW include: Pack, Brawler, Durability, Ogre, Eagle, Dolyak, Mercy, Speed, Trooper, Fireworks and Water, off the top of my head. Some of these combined with the related relic are still usable, but some relics have been gutted with the change in their effects or how they proc, or they are simply no longer available...whether that is temporary or permanent remains to be seen. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 3 hours ago, Boh.4568 said: But everyone has chosen scholar as meta up till now. What changed? They use thief or firework relic depending on how many 20+ weapon skills they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante.1508 Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 3 hours ago, Boh.4568 said: But everyone has chosen scholar as meta up till now. What changed? I used Tormenting. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloc Freidon.5692 Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 They removed other variants of damage boosting and useful utility effects that were interesting. Spellbreaker's 7% bonus damage against boonless foes. 5% damage while under the effect of Might. Even the 25% movement speed is just gone. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarrs.4831 Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 What I don't understand is why we lost our stat conversion runes. They were really interesting for a few builds but now they're gone. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante.1508 Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 No more Rockdog and Golums.. Gone the way of the Flesh reaver. 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinun.8326 Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 I looked at them all and thought Relic of Lyhr seemed the most interesting. in terms of build diversity. Been having fun with it on Reaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefe.3821 Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 All they did was nerf runes and can't even sell the relics. What kitten 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zistenz.1945 Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 22 hours ago, Boh.4568 said: But everyone has chosen scholar as meta up till now. What changed? I used to have Flame Legion on my celestial reaper with Dhuumfire, which gave me +7% on burning foes. After this patch, the whole thing poof, went to the bin. The rune set itself is unusable now for my build (or anyone at this point). There's no replacement relic for this effect. I had to replace everything with Scholar and the Thief relic (Reaper could be also is an option, I use three shouts). So... what changed really? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 I'd expect some really good ones to be available some time next year. Next mini-expac. New mini-expac-exclusive relics to entice you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDoll.6027 Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 On 8/23/2023 at 8:29 AM, Vilin.8056 said: I think the idea is that you are supposed to quickswap between multiple relics according to situation, instead of permanently stick with one. You're joking, with that stupid UI you will never be able to swap anything quickly 9 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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