Shiyo.3578 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 A fun, easy to play Ele spec. Zero chance it survives even a week. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scerevisiae.1972 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 I don't get it, why is it good? WH is nearly as clunky as hammer and IMO pretty bad for anything but PVE golems. In fact I would have said, WH (and hammer) desperately need an overhaul, so pretty surprised to see anyone mentioning it as a thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulknight.9620 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Fun is subjective. I dont think its fun. Its overtuned and it will get nerfed. Totally justified. To make sw (outside of weaver) and wh fun anet needs to rework/rebalance skills accordingly to get rid of the clunkiness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowki.7194 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) The WH nerf basically killed FA dps tempst off aswell, it was pretty much all it had goin for it, horn 4/5+constant air overloads stacked vuln and was good dmg that led to area denial. It still does good dmg, but you sacrifice so much for it, plenty of specs do more dmg with better sustain, and are not a sitting duck during overload (LB barage is just better.. similar dmg/denial with no risk). All of the WH cc is also countered by stability, which means you are in trouble fast if jumped by a melee with stability, which you will be, often. The water fields on WH/sword are also horrible to combo with, forcing retreats you might not want, or pushes forward you might not want, in order to combo. Hammer is fun, but an absolute joke on tempest/core, water 3 needs to be a water field becuase their is 0 sustain.. the weapon is litterally designed to combo. You can't give it a combo field in each attunement obviously.. or thats just the best of cata with the best of temepst overlaods.. but it most certainly needs 1 water combo field to be at all usable. Edited September 18, 2023 by Flowki.7194 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Crinny.6190 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Flowki.7194 said: The WH nerf basically killed FA dps tempst off aswell, it was pretty much all it had goin for it, horn 4/5+constant air overloads stacked vuln and was good dmg that led to area denial. It still does good dmg, but you sacrifice so much for it, plenty of specs do more dmg with better sustain, and are not a sitting duck during overload (LB barage is just better.. similar dmg/denial with no risk). All of the WH cc is also countered by stability, which means you are in trouble fast if jumped by a melee with stability, which you will be, often. The water fields on WH/sword are also horrible to combo with, forcing retreats you might not want, or pushes forward you might not want, in order to combo. Feel like the Warhorn nerfs are not quite done yet, going to be more with the next patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowki.7194 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Mini Crinny.6190 said: Feel like the Warhorn nerfs are not quite done yet, going to be more with the next patch On what spec? Im not at the top level and tbf the tempests and rare catas I see are not ''wrecking'' with any loadout. Obviously they have high sustain when played well, which can be annoying, but its better than fighting warrior/gaurdians, for sure. Edited September 18, 2023 by Flowki.7194 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Crinny.6190 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Flowki.7194 said: On what spec? Im not at the top level and tbf the tempests and rare catas I see are not ''wrecking'' with any loadout. Obviously they have high sustain when played well, which can be annoying, but its better than fighting warrior/gaurdians, for sure. Its pretty much used on every meta spec right now Sw/Wh is very popular Edited September 18, 2023 by Mini Crinny.6190 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manu.7539 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 After reading this post I crafted a warhorn to give it a try. What a terrible weapon, range is small but mostly projectiles are moving so slow that its useless in wvw. Your target got enough time to type /sleep before walking away safely. Worst weapon I ever tried! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladestrom.6425 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 34 minutes ago, manu.7539 said: After reading this post I crafted a warhorn to give it a try. What a terrible weapon, range is small but mostly projectiles are moving so slow that its useless in wvw. Your target got enough time to type /sleep before walking away safely. Worst weapon I ever tried! yeah it doesn't work in wvw as you are not focused on fighting on a point or have chokepoints when duelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowki.7194 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mini Crinny.6190 said: Its pretty much used on every meta spec right now Sw/Wh is very popular I havent seen any meta spec using it. Where can I find these builds? From what Ive tried, condi cata with sword/dagger is good, since daggers CC can setup swords slow hitters, but its not as good as power hammer cata. Although it does have better escape with ride the wind. FA builds just don't do good enough dmg with sword/worhorn imo, not for the massive hp/sustain hit. Plenty specs doing more dmg with more sustain. Edited September 18, 2023 by Flowki.7194 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Crinny.6190 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Flowki.7194 said: I havent seen any meta spec using it. Where can I find these builds? From what Ive tried, condi cata with sword/dagger is good, since daggers CC can setup swords slow hitters, but its not as good as power hammer cata. Although it does have better escape with ride the wind. FA builds just don't do good enough dmg with sword/worhorn imo, not for the massive hp/sustain hit. Plenty specs doing more dmg with more sustain. These builds were listed as Recommended https://snowcrows.com/builds/elementalist/weaver/power-weaver https://snowcrows.com/builds/elementalist/weaver/condition-weaver https://snowcrows.com/builds/elementalist/catalyst/power-catalyst https://snowcrows.com/builds/elementalist/catalyst/power-quickness-catalyst These builds were listed as Effective https://snowcrows.com/builds/elementalist/tempest/condition-tempest https://snowcrows.com/builds/elementalist/tempest/heal-alacrity-tempest https://snowcrows.com/builds/elementalist/tempest/condition-alacrity-tempest Also to point out Power catalyst is benching at 46k at the moment Edited September 19, 2023 by Mini Crinny.6190 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowki.7194 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Mini Crinny.6190 said: These builds were listed as Recommended https://snowcrows.com/builds/elementalist/weaver/power-weaver https://snowcrows.com/builds/elementalist/weaver/condition-weaver https://snowcrows.com/builds/elementalist/catalyst/power-catalyst https://snowcrows.com/builds/elementalist/catalyst/power-quickness-catalyst These builds were listed as Effective https://snowcrows.com/builds/elementalist/tempest/condition-tempest https://snowcrows.com/builds/elementalist/tempest/heal-alacrity-tempest https://snowcrows.com/builds/elementalist/tempest/condition-alacrity-tempest Also to point out Power catalyst is benching at 46k at the moment Oh I think we got wires crossed, I was talking about pvp, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Crinny.6190 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 9 hours ago, Flowki.7194 said: Oh I think we got wires crossed, I was talking about pvp, sorry. ah possibly, but I still wouldnt rule out the possibility of WH nerfs in PvP just because its good in PvE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/18/2023 at 2:19 PM, Mini Crinny.6190 said: Feel like the Warhorn nerfs are not quite done yet, going to be more with the next patch do we have pre patch notes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 i dont think sword warhorn is good or fun, it's easier compared to hammer when you talk about benchmark and that's it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Crinny.6190 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 36 minutes ago, Khalisto.5780 said: do we have pre patch notes? No not yet, but since Sw/Wh is used in literally every build, it's going to take a hit I think, not as much as scourge but still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) On 9/19/2023 at 12:52 PM, Mini Crinny.6190 said: ah possibly, but I still wouldnt rule out the possibility of WH nerfs in PvP just because its good in PvE Just...wtf is left to nerf on ele? the kittening name?....They should praise the gods, there is still a bunch of idiots playing this joke of a class Edited September 23, 2023 by Arheundel.6451 1 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Crinny.6190 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Arheundel.6451 said: Just...wtf is left to nerf on ele? the kittening name?....They should praise the gods, there is still a bunch of idiots playing this joke of a class Chill, we are speaking in the ele sub forum, they aint gonna look here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theros.1390 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Good guess from the OP. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Crinny.6190 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Theros.1390 said: Good guess from the OP. 🙂 It survived more than a week though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephen.3420 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 12:47 AM, Mini Crinny.6190 said: No not yet, but since Sw/Wh is used in literally every build, it's going to take a hit I think, not as much as scourge but still I wish it had been that....but no they get the bright idea to nerf the traits, now everyone will have to run sw/wh because the other weapons will just be that much worse in comparison... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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