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My server is red this week, and we - in the last two hours - have had air and fire both taken by hackers. In the past, we've had Stoic stolen too, by a player who hides under the upper floor.

It's really demoralising trying to play a game mode, and face hackers one week after another. I'm not mentioning the server that is doing it, as it appears most of the NA servers are doing it now. If you want players to quit WvW, this is one way of going about it.

Desert has been a hacker's paradise since it was introduced to this game mode. Just delete it and put in another alpine.

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Not wrong on the hacking. In ONE day- gliding in opposition territory, ruins being hacked sub terra, mounts from opposition being capable of outrunning 3-fold (in opposing territory) a chasing party (quickness on Viagra), Keeps having stealth port zergs straight to Lord- whilst the owners have had the Keep for 23h AND the list just keeps going. Am I serious? Very serious! Seen a few hacks over the years but this is getting pathetic. You want peeps to keep playing wvw Anet, and after all these years of doing squat about it, I strongly suggest you start addressing it rather than hiding from it like NORMAL. It's not like it's a secret. Chat on my server was flooded with complaints over a period of several hours. Personally, not interested in WvW until Anet start an HONEST attempt at clearing out the hacks.

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On 8/27/2023 at 9:14 AM, Hesione.9412 said:

My server is red this week, and we - in the last two hours - have had air and fire both taken by hackers. In the past, we've had Stoic stolen too, by a player who hides under the upper floor.

It's really demoralising trying to play a game mode, and face hackers one week after another. I'm not mentioning the server that is doing it, as it appears most of the NA servers are doing it now. If you want players to quit WvW, this is one way of going about it.

Desert has been a hacker's paradise since it was introduced to this game mode. Just delete it and put in another alpine.

Hackers/Exploiters to Anet, "Give Us Bad Design And We Will Finish The Job"

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You have to be carefull... ANet seems not to like forum post which point out there might be cheaters/hackers 😄 the other post from PapaBob was deleted without any notice cuz there were videos that proofed there are accounts using hacks 😄 Good Job A-Net 😄

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anet should implement something like a spectator mode where a dev can then see everything a specific player sees, e.g. all their actions and movements. This would make it incredibly trivial to find out if anyone accused of hacking actually does so. Ofc this requires a dev being present and spending some time not only for implementing a spectator like mode but also for investigating players. So this would not work against thousands of accounts but if the most egregious examples of hackers and trainer users would be dealt with this would already be a huge improvement. Also the error rate of someone being banned wrongly (like it can happen in an automated system) would be zero.

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7 hours ago, Ferus.3165 said:

anet should implement something like a spectator mode where a dev can then see everything a specific player sees, e.g. all their actions and movements.

They can do this already. GMs ingame can make themselves invisible and port around. The problem isn't the lack of tools, it's that Anet doesn't give a kitten.

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Our server noticed a bot too, it spawns on our alpine home border land right at the lord in the upper west tower, dies, spawns at the lord in the garrison, dies, spawns right at the gate of the upper east tower, dies, at the bay too, some pause (other map??) and the show starts again. So we have contestet towers and keeps , no waypoint at the garrison. The bots account name is known, was reported… VERY annoying.

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Hacking? In gw2? Surely not! If there was hacking in gw2, surely anets top nodge devs would deal with it immediately! Not like there busy doing anything else worth wild mentioning(alliances cough). So surely u are mistaken, and these players are just really good at what they do. 

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Really it don't do any good to say any thing in the forums because the abusers will read the post then go back in the game and double their hacking and cheating out of spite it seems like. They've done "skillfully" used their skills and created a dead game mode void of "unskilled players carried by their gear yet they still must rely on cheats.

 

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On 8/27/2023 at 7:14 AM, Hesione.9412 said:

My server is red this week, and we - in the last two hours - have had air and fire both taken by hackers. In the past, we've had Stoic stolen too, by a player who hides under the upper floor.

With Fire and Air Keeps it may or may not be hacking. Fire has one spot Air has two, where, when the keep flips, an enemy can sit while not being marked. 

When you take the keeps you gotta run around the outer edges and use the warclaw "sniff". It is what I do every time we take one of those two keeps. Sometimes I find people but most times I do not.

 

It could also be laziness or just a mistake of your team

We wiped inside our alpine garrison..... I was overtop the lords room waiting for for a horde of enemies to come up and send me packing...... but no one came

Then it was a matter of just waiting for the RI of the Lord to drop while I ported in an army (was on my mesmer). 

Or another time... I was inner fire.... bottom floor where the gates are.... only 2 enemies came for me. I killed them both and noone else showed up. My thoughts were that the two were embarrassed to die like that so said nothing. 

Then I ported an army into inner when the RI had expired.  Easy keep. 

 

But sadly, we do know hacks exist to do the same thing. 

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Very good points, having been in a guild where players have been accused of hacking (no, we had a hidden mesmer, or no, those are normal elementalist traits). These hacks are where we can see people **inside** the terrain. But you can't target them or kill them. In some cases, e.g. shrines, they are under the map. I'm not seeing so many speed or location movement hacks as I have in the past, the ones I see now are all terrain exploits.

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I wouldn't go as far to say to just delete desert bl since;

 

At the bare minimum, collision mesh adjustments is needed to stop the majority of exploits there. Along with actually heeding the bug tickets that's been submitted through the years for reference.

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8 hours ago, cyberzombie.7348 said:

I wouldn't go as far to say to just delete desert bl since;

 

At the bare minimum, collision mesh adjustments is needed to stop the majority of exploits there. Along with actually heeding the bug tickets that's been submitted through the years for reference.

Yep, I call it "fix your polygons".

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Not really hacking, when they are just exploding bugs that anet wont fix. I agree its annoying. But why wouldnt ppl abuse it, when obvisouly the ppl behind making the maps, dont give a crap. Everything goes in wvw. Been like that for years. But dont point ur fingers as the players abusing these, well we might aswell call them "special features" at this point. Point them at the devs who have been made aware of these "special features" for years, but lack the ability, to do something about it.

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1 hour ago, Thomas.2564 said:

Not really hacking, when they are just exploding bugs that anet wont fix. I agree its annoying. But why wouldnt ppl abuse it, when obvisouly the ppl behind making the maps, dont give a crap. Everything goes in wvw. Been like that for years. But dont point ur fingers as the players abusing these, well we might aswell call them "special features" at this point. Point them at the devs who have been made aware of these "special features" for years, but lack the ability, to do something about it.

You're saying that cheating is okay. I am pointing the finger as the vast majority of WvW players don't cheat. Players who cheat have made a decision to do that - to cheat. Of course I am pointing the finger at them, no-one is holding a gun to their heads and forcing them to hack.

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17 hours ago, Hesione.9412 said:

You're saying that cheating is okay. I am pointing the finger as the vast majority of WvW players don't cheat. Players who cheat have made a decision to do that - to cheat. Of course I am pointing the finger at them, no-one is holding a gun to their heads and forcing them to hack.

How exactly is it hacking? They aint using a 3rd party program to do it. It's pretty much a part pf the game now. Let me point out that I am not saying it's ok. And ppl who abuse this obvious bug, should be banned ofc. But! This has been going on ever since hot launch. And anet dont care, so why should players, who paid money for this game care? Only ppl to blame here are the ppl in charge of maintaining wvw. Its busted, yes, very. But so is cele gear. Is that hacking too? 

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16 hours ago, Thomas.2564 said:

How exactly is it hacking? They aint using a 3rd party program to do it. It's pretty much a part pf the game now. Let me point out that I am not saying it's ok. And ppl who abuse this obvious bug, should be banned ofc. But! This has been going on ever since hot launch. And anet dont care, so why should players, who paid money for this game care? Only ppl to blame here are the ppl in charge of maintaining wvw. Its busted, yes, very. But so is cele gear. Is that hacking too? 

I am ignoring most of your Gish gallop. There are exploits and hacks. A bunch of people are using exploits - also cheating - and some are hacking. Exploits exist on alpine. Terrain hacking seems to be specific to desert. Removing desert decreases the avenues available for people to hack.

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2 hours ago, Hesione.9412 said:

Exploits exist on alpine. Terrain hacking seems to be specific to desert. Removing desert decreases the avenues available for people to hack.

Gishgallop to me is when someone provides an inaccurate description of a hack.  The example you gave does not create any differentiation between a hack and an exploit.  Might as well say remove Alpine too because it removes the avenue for people to hack the terrain there too.

Thomas provided far more precision in differentiation between a hack and an exploit.

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Let me make this crystal clear: I don't know whether something is an exploit or a hack because I don't cheat and don't know what is possible without third-party programs. I have assumed that all sub-terrain movement is a hack.

The average WvW player, like me, assumes they are hacks.

There are some people in this thread who appear to be incredibly invested in separating exploits from hacks. Both are cheating. Both are not playing the game as the designers intend. The two are indistinguishable from those of us who don't exploit or hack because all we see is the result, not the cause. And desert bl seems to be particularly susceptible to both. Let's remove it. Have a third alpine. Have a second EBG. Heavens, even make EotM the fourth map.

In other words, exploit versus hack is non-productive to this thread and completely off-topic.

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30 minutes ago, Hesione.9412 said:

Let me make this crystal clear: I don't know whether something is an exploit or a hack because I don't cheat and don't know what is possible without third-party programs. I have assumed that all sub-terrain movement is a hack.

The average WvW player, like me, assumes they are hacks.

There are some people in this thread who appear to be incredibly invested in separating exploits from hacks. Both are cheating. Both are not playing the game as the designers intend. The two are indistinguishable from those of us who don't exploit or hack because all we see is the result, not the cause. And desert bl seems to be particularly susceptible to both. Let's remove it. Have a third alpine. Have a second EBG. Heavens, even make EotM the fourth map.

In other words, exploit versus hack is non-productive to this thread and completely off-topic.

Exploits can and should be fixed by Anet. Hacks cannot without some sort of anticheat cr*p installed on your system which would also basically remove widely used and popular programs that modify the runtime executable, like arcdps, vulkan proxies, and reshade. On top of that, players can end up under the map from completely UNINTENDED play and not cheating.  You want productive, then be precise.

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On 8/29/2023 at 1:12 PM, Aviator.3904 said:

You have to be carefull... ANet seems not to like forum post which point out there might be cheaters/hackers 😄 the other post from PapaBob was deleted without any notice cuz there were videos that proofed there are accounts using hacks 😄 Good Job A-Net 😄

I'm sure Anet deleted the post because they don't want people seeing proof of exploits/hacking!

They surely wouldn't remove it so that others don't learn of the exploit that would then use it as well!

Why would they remove it for a good reason like that?!

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52 minutes ago, Zolazie Grengche.3051 said:

I'm sure Anet deleted the post because they don't want people seeing proof of exploits/hacking!

They surely wouldn't remove it so that others don't learn of the exploit that would then use it as well!

Why would they remove it for a good reason like that?!

have u guys seen that tiktop crap where people say that gw2 is the only mmo that bans players personally with that dev that entered  in the hacker acocunt and kill the toon?

they promote it as the free cheat mmo where hackers get punished by devs, when my friend showed that idk if cry or facepalm.. laugh was not an option i even avoided to watch the comments bet would be full of delusional people, its the trend nowadays.

 

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