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I think wvw has devolved enough that alliances can only improve it. First, I do like some of the new weapon combos that have come with the new expansion, as well as some of the choices from the new wizard's vault. I grabbed the legendary starter kit reward which is basically a free legendary weapon. It came with a free precursor and a free gift for that weapon combine with what I already had I'm over 3/4s of the way to finish and it didn't cost me anything I could finish it today if I wanted to spend a couple hundred gold. So, I'm not totally unhappy with the state of the game but when it comes to WvW, we still have some major problems. 

The linking system is absolute garbage, and I don't mean that with any sort of malice, it just is. Also, I don't think it would have passed the vote test if we knew that it would be in place for years. It is 100% total match manipulation system, and it is mainly due to Anet and their choices for the matches.

There is a major problem (AT VARIOUS TIMES) with match population and outnumbered player balance. The other day, we were queued and outnumbered and we had around 40ish on the map including the 10 afks at the keep and spawn. This brings me to my next point.

There are always AFKers holding up map spot and skewing the map population and player activity times. Not much else to be said, we all have them, just some more than others. It needs to be addressed.

Now, on to hacking. It's not happening on epic levels, but it is ever present. The hilarious but sad thing is, that when it does happen, players actually don't realize and when they think it is happening it is just really due to normal mechanics or just having fought a better player. But there is a more consistent presence of it going on these days and it needs to be addressed and would go a long way if Anet let the player population know that A. They do care. B. It is not acceptable. C. They are taking measures against it. Common Anet, this is business 101 keep your customers happy means more business.

LoS issues with game play in the WvW maps. Anet dudes, please fix the LoS issues on the maps, I mean come on. Let's get it done before you guys retire. Ya here me?

Now on to keep and tower hacking. Um, yeah, same as above guys. Let's try and fix this someday soon if it isn't too much of an inconvenience for you.

I not going to say much on balance because that is something that is an ongoing issue, but it seems like you don't listen to your veteran players much. I remember when Blizzard tried that approach. It was around the time they lost 6 million subs. Not a great way to handle issues. True that you can't listen to vets on everything because you do have new players as well that wander in, but uh, yeah, might want to have an ear towards some of the veterans and hear some of their complaints on balance.

In closing, I'm sure there are more issues that were left out and it was not intentional, but these are just some off the top of my head and although I'm not really sure if the Alliances are going to help with any of these issues, I just hope we all get a good laugh from this and I really hope that this is received well and used for some constructive use. 

Have a good day.

 

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11 hours ago, Crazy.6029 said:

There is a major problem (AT VARIOUS TIMES) with match population and outnumbered player balance. The other day, we were queued and outnumbered and we had around 40ish on the map including the 10 afks at the keep and spawn. This brings me to my next point.

A general comment as I've seen several people on these forums saying that "Population Balance" should be "same number of players at all times", which means those people are setting themselves up for a major disappointment, especially for World-Restructure.

"Population Balance" does not mean that servers have equal number at all times. It's just a numbers game:
* Server A has 50 people at night
* Server B has 50 people in morning
* Server C has 50 people after work

That's considered "Population Balance". (Simplified, there are some more factors, but it gets the idea through)

ANet can't really do much more about it, because beyond a certain point the rest is up to players. You can't really force players to play when they don't have time or don't want to. It's an integral part of how 24/7 format works/plays.

And as we know, players seek out others in their own time-zones rather than spreading out. And if players are outnumbered they'll leave and do something else because it isn't "fun" for them. If there's no existing commander/zerg they might leave because that's the only thing they find "fun" (or rewarding...). So players as a whole will always strive to create these splits and divides, and will get angry if you take away their options for doing so.

The ways ANet could potentially affect that:
* Put in ANet-bots to fill out empty teams/times. (Or replace the 3rd team with a PvE faction that assaults the strongest team constantly, to balance what players doesn't)
* Hire people to play in empty teams/times. (Way too expensive)
* Redesign the mode to not be 24/7. (Example a queue up system like sPvP/EotM.)

World-Restructure is only aiming for that "Population Balance" as an average/median through X amount of time (example a week). A very simple way of describing that is that as long as the points are about event at the end of the week, it's "close enough". The second purpose of World-Restructure is to build a system that can self adjust Teams/Tiers to the population (for example to avoid the problem in EU with 3 un-linked servers having a horrible experience, because the population imbalance vs the other teams).

Side effects that it should be easier for casual players to play with their friends/guild mates, while also hopefully make it harder for other players to "Bandwagon" around to screw up the "Population Balance" as we've seen way too much of for 10+ years now.

...And once they're done with that, they said they wanted to look at tweaking numbers and see if they could make some amends for time-zone differences (But don't hold your breath, at this pace, I doubt ANet would ever get to that.)

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For the rest of your post, I can agree with the sentiment of most of them, but they're unrelated to World-Restructure.
 

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If Alliances fix anything, I'd love to be the freaking no-playing players. With the dailies changes, we have more and more players on map not doing anything!

It's incredibly annoying being outnumbered on a queued map on every fight. It's not roamers, they are not doing anything. Whole map is taken, we are fighting for garri 30 vs 50-60 *with a map queue*. 

Can't wait until they make PvE players Alliances where they can hold hands and let WvW players alone. 

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1 hour ago, disForm.2837 said:

If Alliances fix anything, I'd love to be the freaking no-playing players. With the dailies changes, we have more and more players on map not doing anything!

It's incredibly annoying being outnumbered on a queued map on every fight. It's not roamers, they are not doing anything. Whole map is taken, we are fighting for garri 30 vs 50-60 *with a map queue*. 

Can't wait until they make PvE players Alliances where they can hold hands and let WvW players alone. 

Yep, probably 2033. 😂

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2 hours ago, disForm.2837 said:

With the dailies changes, we have more and more players on map not doing anything!

It's incredibly annoying being outnumbered on a queued map on every fight. It's not roamers, they are not doing anything. Whole map is taken, we are fighting for garri 30 vs 50-60 *with a map queue*. 

Can't wait until they make PvE players Alliances where they can hold hands and let WvW players alone. 

lmao, sorry I'm not laughing at you but at this fact which I pointed out would probably happen with the daily changes and got 3 confused emotes for it. 🤷‍♂️😏

Oh and btw there's already a pve alliance, they're on a certain server stuck in t4 k-training empty objectives. 😏

 

 

 

 

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On 9/6/2023 at 3:55 PM, Crazy.6029 said:

I think wvw has devolved enough that alliances can only improve it. First, I do like some of the new weapon combos that have come with the new expansion, as well as some of the choices from the new wizard's vault. I grabbed the legendary starter kit reward which is basically a free legendary weapon. It came with a free precursor and a free gift for that weapon combine with what I already had I'm over 3/4s of the way to finish and it didn't cost me anything I could finish it today if I wanted to spend a couple hundred gold. So, I'm not totally unhappy with the state of the game but when it comes to WvW, we still have some major problems. 

The linking system is absolute garbage, and I don't mean that with any sort of malice, it just is. Also, I don't think it would have passed the vote test if we knew that it would be in place for years. It is 100% total match manipulation system, and it is mainly due to Anet and their choices for the matches.

There is a major problem (AT VARIOUS TIMES) with match population and outnumbered player balance. The other day, we were queued and outnumbered and we had around 40ish on the map including the 10 afks at the keep and spawn. This brings me to my next point.

There are always AFKers holding up map spot and skewing the map population and player activity times. Not much else to be said, we all have them, just some more than others. It needs to be addressed.

Now, on to hacking. It's not happening on epic levels, but it is ever present. The hilarious but sad thing is, that when it does happen, players actually don't realize and when they think it is happening it is just really due to normal mechanics or just having fought a better player. But there is a more consistent presence of it going on these days and it needs to be addressed and would go a long way if Anet let the player population know that A. They do care. B. It is not acceptable. C. They are taking measures against it. Common Anet, this is business 101 keep your customers happy means more business.

LoS issues with game play in the WvW maps. Anet dudes, please fix the LoS issues on the maps, I mean come on. Let's get it done before you guys retire. Ya here me?

Now on to keep and tower hacking. Um, yeah, same as above guys. Let's try and fix this someday soon if it isn't too much of an inconvenience for you.

I not going to say much on balance because that is something that is an ongoing issue, but it seems like you don't listen to your veteran players much. I remember when Blizzard tried that approach. It was around the time they lost 6 million subs. Not a great way to handle issues. True that you can't listen to vets on everything because you do have new players as well that wander in, but uh, yeah, might want to have an ear towards some of the veterans and hear some of their complaints on balance.

In closing, I'm sure there are more issues that were left out and it was not intentional, but these are just some off the top of my head and although I'm not really sure if the Alliances are going to help with any of these issues, I just hope we all get a good laugh from this and I really hope that this is received well and used for some constructive use. 

Have a good day.

 

Few more years and there it is.. i am sure.. or not... Who knows. Only Skritt maybe

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On 9/6/2023 at 7:55 AM, Crazy.6029 said:

I think wvw has devolved enough that alliances can only improve it. First, I do like some of the new weapon combos that have come with the new expansion, as well as some of the choices from the new wizard's vault. I grabbed the legendary starter kit reward which is basically a free legendary weapon. It came with a free precursor and a free gift for that weapon combine with what I already had I'm over 3/4s of the way to finish and it didn't cost me anything I could finish it today if I wanted to spend a couple hundred gold. So, I'm not totally unhappy with the state of the game but when it comes to WvW, we still have some major problems. 

The linking system is absolute garbage, and I don't mean that with any sort of malice, it just is. Also, I don't think it would have passed the vote test if we knew that it would be in place for years. It is 100% total match manipulation system, and it is mainly due to Anet and their choices for the matches.

There is a major problem (AT VARIOUS TIMES) with match population and outnumbered player balance. The other day, we were queued and outnumbered and we had around 40ish on the map including the 10 afks at the keep and spawn. This brings me to my next point.

There are always AFKers holding up map spot and skewing the map population and player activity times. Not much else to be said, we all have them, just some more than others. It needs to be addressed.

Now, on to hacking. It's not happening on epic levels, but it is ever present. The hilarious but sad thing is, that when it does happen, players actually don't realize and when they think it is happening it is just really due to normal mechanics or just having fought a better player. But there is a more consistent presence of it going on these days and it needs to be addressed and would go a long way if Anet let the player population know that A. They do care. B. It is not acceptable. C. They are taking measures against it. Common Anet, this is business 101 keep your customers happy means more business.

LoS issues with game play in the WvW maps. Anet dudes, please fix the LoS issues on the maps, I mean come on. Let's get it done before you guys retire. Ya here me?

Now on to keep and tower hacking. Um, yeah, same as above guys. Let's try and fix this someday soon if it isn't too much of an inconvenience for you.

I not going to say much on balance because that is something that is an ongoing issue, but it seems like you don't listen to your veteran players much. I remember when Blizzard tried that approach. It was around the time they lost 6 million subs. Not a great way to handle issues. True that you can't listen to vets on everything because you do have new players as well that wander in, but uh, yeah, might want to have an ear towards some of the veterans and hear some of their complaints on balance.

In closing, I'm sure there are more issues that were left out and it was not intentional, but these are just some off the top of my head and although I'm not really sure if the Alliances are going to help with any of these issues, I just hope we all get a good laugh from this and I really hope that this is received well and used for some constructive use. 

Have a good day.

 

Who knows. Anet almost never communicates to the WvW community.

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