signets pvp rework

[Khalisto.5780]

just give it barrier and not auras and unnerf the cds, this could carry over to pve too, cuz auras in pve are almost useless, at least most of them, mag aura is still good

800 barrier with no icd

or 2k~3k barrier on 10~15 secs icd

[dascott.6078]

How many elementalist traits are tied to auras?

Edited September 6, 2023 by dascott.6078

[Khalisto.5780]

2 hours ago, dascott.6078 said:

How many elementalist traits are tied to auras?

that I remember the smoothering auras, the one in earth you get prot when you get aura the one on tempest you heal when you get aura.

none very relevant in any pve content, not even open world, there's better utilities to be used over 4 signets

[dascott.6078]

I humbly disagree.  I find continuous condition cleanse with Smothering Auras and perma-stability with Staunch Auras with any dagger/signet build very useful and relevant.  If you want barrier, play weaver.  Stop tainting my PvE pot by dipping your PvP wick in it.  😉

[luigrein.8514]

3 hours ago, Khalisto.5780 said:

that I remember the smoothering auras, the one in earth you get prot when you get aura the one on tempest you heal when you get aura.

none very relevant in any pve content, not even open world, there's better utilities to be used over 4 signets

Catalyst specifically has stacking damage dealt boost, damage recieved reduction, and stability on aura through their top line traits, it's one of those things that's fine in pve but apparently really obnoxious in pvp when they can frequently get auras. (Tempest can also grant regen and vigor with auras, but I don't think anyone had issues with that one?)

[Morvran.8265]

Just delete Staunch Auras from cata, that's why this trait got nerfed in the first place.

[dascott.6078]

9 hours ago, Morvran.8265 said:

Just delete Staunch Auras from cata,

WTH?!?!  Keep quiet blasphemer!  Don’t take away the only decent source of stability the elementalist has had since Anet nerfed Bolstered Elements.  

[Sahne.6950]

On 9/7/2023 at 12:40 AM, dascott.6078 said:

How many elementalist traits are tied to auras?

On 9/7/2023 at 2:55 AM, Khalisto.5780 said:

that I remember the smoothering auras, the one in earth you get prot when you get aura the one on tempest you heal when you get aura.

none very relevant in any pve content, not even open world, there's better utilities to be used over 4 signets

Theres quite a few more. 

latent stamina, invigorating torrents, tempestous aria, zephyrs boon,  powerful aura, hardened aura, empowering auras, elemental epitome and lastly staunch auras.

Edited September 8, 2023 by Sahne.6950

[Jski.6180]

If they fix the new relic to simply trigger every signet use and not every other it would be fine to have ti apply barriers over auras.

[Khalisto.5780]

8 hours ago, Sahne.6950 said:

Theres quite a few more. 

latent stamina, invigorating torrents, tempestous aria, zephyrs boon,  powerful aura, hardened aura, empowering auras, elemental epitome and lastly staunch auras.

the exact reason why signets should have never given auras in pvp

[Morvran.8265]

On 9/7/2023 at 6:00 PM, dascott.6078 said:

WTH?!?!  Keep quiet blasphemer!  Don’t take away the only decent source of stability the elementalist has had since Anet nerfed Bolstered Elements.  

Ok then watch the entire class get wrecked just to atone for this trait.

[Bast.7253]

On 9/7/2023 at 2:35 AM, Morvran.8265 said:

Just delete Staunch Auras from cata, that's why this trait got nerfed in the first place.

This would just delete catalyst in general. 
 

Stability is the #1 reason why catalyst works. Quickness is nice but it’s locked to one element plus an energy cost. 

[dascott.6078]

6 hours ago, Morvran.8265 said:

Ok then watch the entire class get wrecked just to atone for this trait.

How about the devs just put a decently timed cool down along with a short duration on the stability boon only in PvP?   Is that fair?

[Emberheart.8426]

13 hours ago, Bast.7253 said:

This would just delete catalyst in general. 
 

Stability is the #1 reason why catalyst works. Quickness is nice but it’s locked to one element plus an energy cost. 

Well, if we are being honest catalyst does need to be deleted and reworked anyway. It has enormous design issues that are apparent in every single game mode. Can't get worse than that design wise.