Eurekay.7296 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 The worst balance we have seen, I don't understand the logic of arena net, I always try to think why they do things the way they do them and I can't make any sense of them, a game is supposed to be fun, right? That's what pvp is supposed to aspire to, no matter if it's abandoned or not by the developers, at least before abandoning it, make it at least playable and fun, how do you want me to have fun if the warrior with the hammer is a cc party with a very strong damage and an absurd survival, not to mention the spammers of 1 junkyard and now with the relics the damage is already absurd making the games become absurdly boring, at least it is my opinion I have been playing this game for a long time and it is the first time I see that pvp is to hit 1 hit, they stun me for 3 seconds, dodge and I'm stunned again, I hit one more hit and then another cc and that's how all the teamfights or group fights are, it doesn't make sense knowing that the new expas every time they bring more cc in their weapons they should not have thought about that because the problem is not that one puts cc in you, it is that the problem is that currently everyone is trying to put between 2 to 4 cc PER CHARACTER, imagine how boring it is that you can't even play, CC is not supposed to interrupt important skills like healing, etc. Now it is used for everything and the funniest thing is that it works and the problem with that is that the pvp is boring that's why few people play the game and of course then that It makes the matchmaking bad and of course what suffers from it is the players and all this started because of bad updates and not thinking about these things, as you can see that they don't barely play, their game is absurd, the solution in my way of seeing it is that the cc cannot be more than 1 second and some even less than that and remove cc if a specialization has a lot of cc then remove some or there is no solution and also level the damage, you hit against 5 in teamfight and of those 5 they can hit 25 skills of those 25 20 DO YOU GET A MINIMUM OF 6K what to avoid and what not? Anything now can be killed in 2 hits, I don't know if I want something like that, I'm going to go to a shooter game, it's not supposed to be an mmogp, it should be more, I don't know, more fun, this aspect is more strategic, but they give us time to think and not Let's keep our eyes on the screen, ugh, well, I'm a little upset, even though I'm very sad about the path the game is taking. Everyone who visits Guild Wars 2, big content creators, says that pvp is abandoned by the developers. 5 1 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Make sure ur build has stability and stunbreak access as well as some cc, all classes can do this. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 I mean ....... at first you are right but at second there are many classes with superspeed/stability/Ports/brakestuns..... imagine fighting as a melee class without CC gg have fun xD (while not having Ports,superspeed available to yourself of course) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurekay.7296 Posted November 8 Author Share Posted November 8 34 minutes ago, Psycoprophet.8107 said: Make sure ur build has stability and stunbreak access as well as some cc, all classes can do this. I agree with you, but we are talking about having a couple of stability skills that can last 6 sec max and with coldawns of min 40 sec exaggerating a little and there are specializations with cc every 8 sec 12 sec 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowki.7194 Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 (edited) Im currently playing core rev with demon/cent, short bow 5 and axe 5. It is alot of CC but it has some serious limitations. At the start of any engagement, power burst and condi bomb specs have more than enough stability on demand. All the CC in the world means nothing for the first 10 seconds, yet the average high dps spec can solo kill something in under 5 seconds. Scale that upto a group fight and basically > spamm immunes/blocks/los abuse until enemy stability runs out >> spam mitigation CC >> hope something dies. The amount of bs specs dropping 5 button condi bombs +akeem and boon convert relic has rendered clense support nion useless, and raw healing cannot keep up with condi bomb or power burst. Its no suprise that gaurdian is pretty much the only support used now, block spam, and team wide instant stability. Tempst support can't deal with this bs, if you setup to deal with condi, it comes at the direct loss of power burst defense, vice verser. Tempest was far stronger when it was just powr meta. I was able to keep up with condi on rev up until the relics landed. But now with so many condi zerker, ranger, specter, scourge +akeem/boon convert.. its just too much. CC spam is pretty much all I find works now to support in group fights, if you can stay alive past the opening stability/block spam. Edited November 8 by Flowki.7194 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whooot.5784 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 On 11/7/2023 at 11:33 PM, Eurekay.7296 said: The worst balance we have seen, I don't understand the logic of arena net, I always try to think why they do things the way they do them and I can't make any sense of them, a game is supposed to be fun, right? That's what pvp is supposed to aspire to, no matter if it's abandoned or not by the developers, at least before abandoning it, make it at least playable and fun, how do you want me to have fun if the warrior with the hammer is a cc party with a very strong damage and an absurd survival, not to mention the spammers of 1 junkyard and now with the relics the damage is already absurd making the games become absurdly boring, at least it is my opinion I have been playing this game for a long time and it is the first time I see that pvp is to hit 1 hit, they stun me for 3 seconds, dodge and I'm stunned again, I hit one more hit and then another cc and that's how all the teamfights or group fights are, it doesn't make sense knowing that the new expas every time they bring more cc in their weapons they should not have thought about that because the problem is not that one puts cc in you, it is that the problem is that currently everyone is trying to put between 2 to 4 cc PER CHARACTER, imagine how boring it is that you can't even play, CC is not supposed to interrupt important skills like healing, etc. Now it is used for everything and the funniest thing is that it works and the problem with that is that the pvp is boring that's why few people play the game and of course then that It makes the matchmaking bad and of course what suffers from it is the players and all this started because of bad updates and not thinking about these things, as you can see that they don't barely play, their game is absurd, the solution in my way of seeing it is that the cc cannot be more than 1 second and some even less than that and remove cc if a specialization has a lot of cc then remove some or there is no solution and also level the damage, you hit against 5 in teamfight and of those 5 they can hit 25 skills of those 25 20 DO YOU GET A MINIMUM OF 6K what to avoid and what not? Anything now can be killed in 2 hits, I don't know if I want something like that, I'm going to go to a shooter game, it's not supposed to be an mmogp, it should be more, I don't know, more fun, this aspect is more strategic, but they give us time to think and not Let's keep our eyes on the screen, ugh, well, I'm a little upset, even though I'm very sad about the path the game is taking. Everyone who visits Guild Wars 2, big content creators, says that pvp is abandoned by the developers. I didn't even read lol, use some space and paragraph next time, make an effort please cause this is a pain in the kitten to read actually. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 Thumbs up to the Warrior who is responsible for this post. Keep it up. Swing that Hammer! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 @DanAlcedo.3281 best part on this Comment is that Warrior is actually not that CC spamy AS other classes like Ranger/mes/ engi n stuff ^^ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 9 minutes ago, Myror.7521 said: @DanAlcedo.3281 best part on this Comment is that Warrior is actually not that CC spamy AS other classes like Ranger/mes/ engi n stuff ^^ A Warrior is by itself a stunning appearance. Just a single look at one of these Chads brings even the strongest minds into a Daze. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent.9538 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 Tldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 39 minutes ago, ArthurDent.9538 said: Tldr "Nerf Warrior. K thx bye. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arazoth.7290 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 4 minutes ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said: "Nerf Warrior. K thx bye. " little bit vague Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 (edited) On 11/7/2023 at 5:33 PM, Eurekay.7296 said: The worst balance we have seen, I don't understand the logic of arena net, I always try to think why they do things the way they do them and I can't make any sense of them, a game is supposed to be fun, right? That's what pvp is supposed to aspire to, no matter if it's abandoned or not by the developers, at least before abandoning it, make it at least playable and fun, how do you want me to have fun if the warrior with the hammer is a cc party with a very strong damage and an absurd survival, not to mention the spammers of 1 junkyard and now with the relics the damage is already absurd making the games become absurdly boring, at least it is my opinion I have been playing this game for a long time and it is the first time I see that pvp is to hit 1 hit, they stun me for 3 seconds, dodge and I'm stunned again, I hit one more hit and then another cc and that's how all the teamfights or group fights are, it doesn't make sense knowing that the new expas every time they bring more cc in their weapons they should not have thought about that because the problem is not that one puts cc in you, it is that the problem is that currently everyone is trying to put between 2 to 4 cc PER CHARACTER, imagine how boring it is that you can't even play, CC is not supposed to interrupt important skills like healing, etc. Now it is used for everything and the funniest thing is that it works and the problem with that is that the pvp is boring that's why few people play the game and of course then that It makes the matchmaking bad and of course what suffers from it is the players and all this started because of bad updates and not thinking about these things, as you can see that they don't barely play, their game is absurd, the solution in my way of seeing it is that the cc cannot be more than 1 second and some even less than that and remove cc if a specialization has a lot of cc then remove some or there is no solution and also level the damage, you hit against 5 in teamfight and of those 5 they can hit 25 skills of those 25 20 DO YOU GET A MINIMUM OF 6K what to avoid and what not? Anything now can be killed in 2 hits, I don't know if I want something like that, I'm going to go to a shooter game, it's not supposed to be an mmogp, it should be more, I don't know, more fun, this aspect is more strategic, but they give us time to think and not Let's keep our eyes on the screen, ugh, well, I'm a little upset, even though I'm very sad about the path the game is taking. Everyone who visits Guild Wars 2, big content creators, says that pvp is abandoned by the developers. Apparently, NcSoft is 'calling the shots' with all decision making and the direction of the game because they own Anet I find that Baffling and Appauling!! Edited November 16 by Burnfall.9573 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 28 minutes ago, arazoth.7290 said: little bit vague Imo pretty much on point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arazoth.7290 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 1 hour ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said: Imo pretty much on point. yeaaa, no. You didn't describe which parts and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 (edited) On 11/7/2023 at 5:33 PM, Eurekay.7296 said: *pachinko noises and tears because I ran into a single hammer warrior and got my buttons removed* This is what I come on these forums for tbh Mesmer would never get a copepost that goes this hard. Edited November 16 by Azure The Heartless.3261 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 "CC is not supposed to interrupt important skills like healing" All I needed to read from that run on sentence... 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 Just now, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: "CC is not supposed to interrupt important skills like healing" All I needed to read from that run on sentence... Man said "time out" unironically 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assolador.3598 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 On 11/7/2023 at 7:33 PM, Eurekay.7296 said: The worst balance we have seen, I don't understand the logic of arena net, I always try to think why they do things the way they do them and I can't make any sense of them, a game is supposed to be fun, right? That's what pvp is supposed to aspire to, no matter if it's abandoned or not by the developers, at least before abandoning it, make it at least playable and fun, how do you want me to have fun if the warrior with the hammer is a cc party with a very strong damage and an absurd survival, not to mention the spammers of 1 junkyard and now with the relics the damage is already absurd making the games become absurdly boring, at least it is my opinion I have been playing this game for a long time and it is the first time I see that pvp is to hit 1 hit, they stun me for 3 seconds, dodge and I'm stunned again, I hit one more hit and then another cc and that's how all the teamfights or group fights are, it doesn't make sense knowing that the new expas every time they bring more cc in their weapons they should not have thought about that because the problem is not that one puts cc in you, it is that the problem is that currently everyone is trying to put between 2 to 4 cc PER CHARACTER, imagine how boring it is that you can't even play, CC is not supposed to interrupt important skills like healing, etc. Now it is used for everything and the funniest thing is that it works and the problem with that is that the pvp is boring that's why few people play the game and of course then that It makes the matchmaking bad and of course what suffers from it is the players and all this started because of bad updates and not thinking about these things, as you can see that they don't barely play, their game is absurd, the solution in my way of seeing it is that the cc cannot be more than 1 second and some even less than that and remove cc if a specialization has a lot of cc then remove some or there is no solution and also level the damage, you hit against 5 in teamfight and of those 5 they can hit 25 skills of those 25 20 DO YOU GET A MINIMUM OF 6K what to avoid and what not? Anything now can be killed in 2 hits, I don't know if I want something like that, I'm going to go to a shooter game, it's not supposed to be an mmogp, it should be more, I don't know, more fun, this aspect is more strategic, but they give us time to think and not Let's keep our eyes on the screen, ugh, well, I'm a little upset, even though I'm very sad about the path the game is taking. Everyone who visits Guild Wars 2, big content creators, says that pvp is abandoned by the developers. solution: make it less cc time every cc u get: 100% time 60% time 30% time, also git gud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assolador.3598 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 25 minutes ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: This is what I come on these forums for tbh Mesmer would never get a copepost that goes this hard. 5 hours ago, Myror.7521 said: @DanAlcedo.3281 best part on this Comment is that Warrior is actually not that CC spamy AS other classes like Ranger/mes/ engi n stuff ^^ mes... cc spammy? ur living in a diff world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 3 minutes ago, Assolador.3598 said: solution: make it less cc time every cc u get: 100% time 60% time 30% time Okay but he has to take more damage each consecutive time because he's still eating the hit and getting hit a lot isn't an excuse for getting hurt less. Quote also git gud ☠️ 3 minutes ago, Assolador.3598 said: mes... cc spammy? ur living in a diff world Mes is the dagger of cc in a world where hammers exist. Not as to-the-point, but just as deadly if they know where to aim. Power block isn't a GM for no reason ❤️ Spam though? nah. Though to be honest I wouldn't call hammer warrior CC spam either, since it relies on people who know there's a hammer warrior nearby not doing anything about it (like kiting away or pressing a single stunbreak). But I'm willing to accept that label if it makes threads like this, it's so beautiful just LOOK at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 (edited) I am extremely happy that no other Gaming Companies has Anet Guild Wars 2 "Fun" in their game including upcoming new MMO Game. I hope The Community to have an open-mind to know this as well that, only in Guild Wars 2, this so call "Fun" exists. So rest assured Only in Guild Wars 2, this "Fun" exists and should stay 🤭 (by the way, why after years and years, traps left on the ground are still able to ouput high damages and one shot players?) Edited November 16 by Burnfall.9573 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 (edited) @Assolador.3598 i mean thats why mes could actually daze spam the heck out off ya even while your running with stability but also with Like 0 Animation telling (See you daze Mantra and F3 shatter) and i don't mentioned pistol offhand/shield 5/mirage Dodge Sword 3 yet ^^. I mean yes Warrior got many hard CCs (bullscharge/Hammer/Shield) gues most of them are high telegraphed but also doing 0 dmg. While most of mes Dazes are Not telegraphed and actually allowed to do dmg^^ Edited November 16 by Myror.7521 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 In GW1 CCs exist to interupt. In GW2 CCs exist to keep your foe inactive for a few seconds in order to create windows of opportunities. I personally like GW1's philosophy on CCs more than I like GW2's. GW2's choice of design for CCs is something that games usually try to avoid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shagie.7612 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 every time i see people complain about CC being unfun i wonder if they actually play like, any other competitive games my opponent being able to play the game is "unfun" because it means i might not win. 33 minutes ago, Dadnir.5038 said: GW2's choice of design for CCs is something that games usually try to avoid. in what, lol almost every mmo has hard CCs like stuns even GW1 has them in the form of knock downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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