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Welcome to the virtual world with elitists. The ppl that get refused everywhere irl now strike back in THEIR world. 
 

no srry. Thats just what i think. Bad joke. 
 

for raid i just said to the leader that everyone has to start somewhere and if i could have a chance. (Because what you said) And i also said if my dps zuigt then just kick me. But then i cleared 2 raid wings without a kick. I did around 27k dps on a raid dummy. And if we dont wipe its all fine imo. 

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people want to make sure you know the CM mechanics so they're not wasting a bunch of time training people, and the quickest check is to ping KP.
if you've done the CM before and have Some Kp, ping what you have and talk to the squad leader, they'll probably let you in you're at least familiar with the mechanics.
if you've never done the CM before, check the training LFG, if people are looking for KP in those listing then they're wasting Your time.

you could also try running a few runs of the normal mode strike with a group, and see if they want to try the CM afterwards.

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2 minutes ago, sumpwa.1849 said:

Open up LFG, create squad called "Strike CM learning group, no KP requirement" be sure to specify roles and whatnot, and watch as your group fills fast.

I'd reecommend listing as "Blind Prog" rather than Learning or Training group, as those can give the impression that at least someone in the squad knows the mechanics and is teaching

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You don't. Zero-requirement groups go absolutely nowhere because you always end up with people who either aren't even trying or who are outright griefing you on purpose. It's always a clown fiesta that can't beat a single phase, and the next time you have to start over with your prog because there's always several that don't have the resilience to stick around for more than one session.

The only way to break into group pve content in this game is through deception. You need to genuinely know the bosses so you can convincingly play them down as if you already had KP, then you need to find ways to deceive people who do have KP themselves into taking you along. From there, it's just a matter of 'fake it till you make it'. 

If you go about it honestly, you'll just remain permanently gatekept out of it. 

 

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I'd look for training runs and see if you can get into a regular group and hopefully a guild.  Running pickups is really not productive if they don't use requirements because you'll just end up training a different group of randos every week while not making any progress.  Running with a regular group or guild is the way to go.  You get to know the people, which is more fun, obviously.  And you have a much better chance of completing content.

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19 hours ago, GeraldBC.4927 said:

The only way to break into group pve content in this game is through deception. You need to genuinely know the bosses so you can convincingly play them down as if you already had KP, then you need to find ways to deceive people who do have KP themselves into taking you along. From there, it's just a matter of 'fake it till you make it'.

Sounds so much more stressful than joining a training discord or a guild which does trainings. To each their own I guess.

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If you go about it honestly, you'll just remain permanently gatekept out of it. 

The regular updates from different training communities, players doing training runs, etc. would disagree, but then there is those players who actually want to progress and enter the content, and those which simply want their fast loot reward.

Not to mention that actually improving on content is significantly harder when on your own and always "faking" your way into group versus having people who share a vested interest in you becoming better (aka guilds or training discords).

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If you feel comfortable leading, when the answer is obvious and what others already suggested. Make your own groups.But many people aren't able to do so or feel too much discomfort to keep track of the right roles and maintain group composition including handling leavers and their replacements.

 

In that case, you still have options:

  • Be sure you are confident with the normal mode encounters before attempting CM's.
  • Always watch Mukluk's guides first. They give you a quick overview on which CM mechanics you can expect. Even if you don't yet understand every bit of it, having seen it in a video will help understand what is happening when you actually are playing the mission. Also, know which role you want to play and have a build and gear that at least roughly fits that role.
  • Try LFG at peak times, usually in the weekend, afternoons and evenings and on work days in the evenings. Keep an eye for CM training groups that do not require KP. Be prepared to wipe and learn. Have patience as players who join groups without KP requirements will generally be less experienced than the ones who have the KP.
  • Join a guild that specifically runs the content you are looking for. There are guilds that allow you to join their groups, have training groups where you are allowed to learn and wipe, learn more until you can beat it and get the KP. Once you played enough you can get the KP required to join random KP groups.
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Every player will not have kp at the beginning, so this makes the beginning very difficult. My approach is to find if there is a place where I can practice the game mechanics and obtain kp at the same time.

Luckily, I got these at GW2 Raid Academy and SG, here are the DC links for them, hopefully you can get there eventually too.
https://discord.com/invite/gw2ra
https://discord.com/invite/skeingang

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21 hours ago, ash ketchup.2076 said:

hint: fake it till you make it.

May not be the best way to go about it as 1. It's hard to fake if kp is required. 2. If you're inexperienced and make lots of mistakes, especially simple mechanics, you are then likely to get kicked and possibly blocked.

As many have suggested the best way to go about gaining kp would be to join training runs/guilds or starting your own to learn along the way. Also doing research and being prepared helps a lot.

It's not fair to waste people's time or effort (both yours and others in your sqaud/party) so being honest with your experience and abilities will probably get you further. Some might even be OK with it or willing to give you a try as they will be able to adjust accordingly and be more flexible, but giving false impressions will mean they have expectations of you.

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On 11/14/2023 at 8:08 PM, Holmindeboks.3490 said:

Welcome to the virtual world with elitists.

Let me tell you something, when CO CM was on the Wizard Vault I listed on the LFG "CO CM, anyone can come, noobs included."

I was counting on a few wipes, even a few quitters, but I told myself I wouldn't let that bother me and I would lead the group to victory.

I was there over 4 hours, must have had some 30 people come and go, several got into the group more than once, and at the end I just had to go without winning the fight because I had commitments to attend. 

What did I get out of that? Nothing, I could have made 100 gold easy doing anything else during those 4 hours.

Calling anyone that asks for KP and "elitist" or claiming there's a "gate keeping problem" in GW2 is just a cope by people that can't perform. There's NOTHING preventing people like that from making their own groups, but that's not what they want, what they really want is a competent group that can clear the content by themselves while they tag along getting carried playing their class at 10% capacity then high fiving everyone for the great team work at the end.

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1 hour ago, Dean Calaway.9718 said:

Let me tell you something, when CO CM was on the Wizard Vault I listed on the LFG "CO CM, anyone can come, noobs included."

I was counting on a few wipes, even a few quitters, but I told myself I wouldn't let that bother me and I would lead the group to victory.

I was there over 4 hours, must have had some 30 people come and go, several got into the group more than once, and at the end I just had to go without winning the fight because I had commitments to attend. 

What did I get out of that? Nothing, I could have made 100 gold easy doing anything else during those 4 hours.

Calling anyone that asks for KP and "elitist" or claiming there's a "gate keeping problem" in GW2 is just a cope by people that can't perform. There's NOTHING preventing people like that from making their own groups, but that's not what they want, what they really want is a competent group that can clear the content by themselves while they tag along getting carried playing their class at 10% capacity then high fiving everyone for the great team work at the end.

Are you sure they would high five at the end and not just leave without a word?

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On 11/16/2023 at 7:43 AM, Cyninja.2954 said:

Sounds so much more stressful than joining a training discord or a guild which does trainings. To each their own I guess.

The regular updates from different training communities, players doing training runs, etc. would disagree, but then there is those players who actually want to progress and enter the content, and those which simply want their fast loot reward.

Not to mention that actually improving on content is significantly harder when on your own and always "faking" your way into group versus having people who share a vested interest in you becoming better (aka guilds or training discords).

well not faking kp didnt work for me all time either, since i had a past run with the same person thru pug, but failed constantly dying and one of i was boon dps and deathmark was often due of repeatable connection loss that wasnt on me(for a reason to get a kick for not enough kp but tittle made to it somehow on the next weeks is also reasonable to avoid-for constant network cuts-loses. cant blame the dude just staying get a kill was already harsh and not entitling to get a reward  so i deserved that one).  also he could try run with some friends but on the other hand it can come that u might say smth beeing right(partly) even though they wont like it----not what u say but how u say it---+, on the other hand'how u say on some people just doesnt work or help, they literally refuse to improve, learn or try change something.. and its easy to find out if player isnt experienced enough(dont need strike cms or raids, even nm strikes in eod is far too much as indicator), you could just go to ibs5 and easily spot inexperienced player for boneskinner fight, this includes healers(any of it) and as soon as boss reaches past second or third cc phase they can quickly be exposed(not enough burst heal during pull mechanic while BS jumps around edges  of arena and your hp starts ticking down like madmens).  i am sure you know that even more or less experienced player can slip up. ill answer later. working..

from my experience to easier cms/or ibs-5/6 specifically BS/CW if player researched the build he tends to blindly go for a guide's given harrier's alike set up regarding that in random pugs full minstrels or givers/minstrels mix does much better(helps learn the fight also gives a little gap into making tiny errors when survivability will matter).

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On 10/4/2024 at 1:00 AM, Linken.6345 said:

Are you sure they would high five at the end and not just leave without a word?

posting "chill run" can bring various of people in or else-the people hosting the run are overly chill and wipes alot(happens when experienced players for less experienced people or their friends-guildies hosts run with no kp required and allow play anything with any build. buy coming to a cm  strike regarding how easy itd be to clear unprepared(in terms of not having viable build ia just rude), this could mean plain utility or elite spec skill picked that do not do massive ammounts of cc, which can be critical and cause unneeded wipes.

they'd rather leave without saying a word especially if its a guild hosted run. but the more u pug or invite pugs into your runs you tend to meet same names, some constantly have misfortune for various of reasons and u boot them off the next time right on sight if they join again, which is understandable for aiming a clear aimed progression(even with kp)=== i wouldnt dare but had this to happen with myself aswell on various reasons, sometimes its  bump into player who didnt like interract within the run or smth else, other time it can be reasonable case, also missconmunication and so on.

====putting progression in public while not having 3-4 or 5 friends along side of yourself is a huge lottery honestly. you can have scuffy moments with clear or great time else a disaster with absolute no clear visible in first phase

when u run into clumsy and messy player or lacking actual communication skills is visible but most of the time you youd just ignore or block them or try move on who ever is right(this relates to me aswell)==== 

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Is it gatekept? Yeah.

Are the mechanics hard? No. But the average GW2 player can't even do simple mechanics.

I was in raid training. There were always 1 or 2 people who, no matter how often you explained it to them, did not do the mechanics properly. It was baffling.

The others, me included, had watched a quick guide beforehand and even though our dps wasn't the best, we made it up by knowing our kitten.

It's not the class, or the game mode. It's your mindset.

Beginner raids aren't even that hard. It's just not press 1111 PvE.

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3 hours ago, Cherazade.4170 said:

Is it gatekept? Yeah.

Are the mechanics hard? No. But the average GW2 player can't even do simple mechanics.

I was in raid training. There were always 1 or 2 people who, no matter how often you explained it to them, did not do the mechanics properly. It was baffling.

The others, me included, had watched a quick guide beforehand and even though our dps wasn't the best, we made it up by knowing our kitten.

It's not the class, or the game mode. It's your mindset.

Beginner raids aren't even that hard. It's just not press 1111 PvE.

umm maybe some details would be good because there can be options for what causes issue;

1)players refuse to do what their told(ex: adina's 3 in line pillars placements and gets called out but they still die);

2)does the pillars as they are told and ate dead-the player who refused to do the fourth one in that manner survives with another player(especially on moments of phasing into sandwall)

3)player(-s) refusing folloe instructions refering to situation 1 does it safely and passes with a player beeing alive while the other three lined up pillars ends up dead-still he gets kicked for refusing listen to instructions

4) the player gets kicked for not doing as instructed: and outcome of damage is unknown but the group who signed for it from the start seemingly to keep wiping regarding instructions.

p.s. that also comes to a point player who refused to do as instructed mentions that you can merge pillars to handle people alive for a slacking number on a newly made two men pillars

 looking at your reply you have a dislike on people refusing to listen to commander blindly(to a certain degree) or you have an issue with people in general not doing so. training and learning mechanics properly is a goal and priority but you jave to learn to do them to have a safe pass to proggress aswell. well maybe i overexeggarate... i get your frustration but it's a really questionable moment.

@Cherazade.4170id love to hear a nore detailed answer than instructions and "baffling". not trying be rude but i know the situation.

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@HanYanrou.8629

man, all 3 of your posts from today are absolutely horrible to read. its like stream of unorganized thoughts with plenty of spelling errors, incorrect words and mistakes or words with different meaning along with all other possible issues/mistakes.

7 hours ago, HanYanrou.8629 said:

well not faking kp didnt work for me all time either, since i had a past run with the same person thru pug, but failed constantly dying and one of i was boon dps and deathmark was often due of repeatable connection loss that wasnt on me(for a reason to get a kick for not enough kp but tittle made to it somehow on the next weeks is also reasonable to avoid-for constant network cuts-loses. cant blame the dude just staying get a kill was already harsh and not entitling to get a reward  so i deserved that one).  also he could try run with some friends but on the other hand it can come that u might say smth beeing right(partly) even though they wont like it----not what u say but how u say it---+, on the other hand'how u say on some people just doesnt work or help, they literally refuse to improve, learn or try change something.. and its easy to find out if player isnt experienced enough(dont need strike cms or raids, even nm strikes in eod is far too much as indicator), you could just go to ibs5 and easily spot inexperienced player for boneskinner fight, this includes healers(any of it) and as soon as boss reaches past second or third cc phase they can quickly be exposed(not enough burst heal during pull mechanic while BS jumps around edges  of arena and your hp starts ticking down like madmens).  i am sure you know that even more or less experienced player can slip up. ill answer later. working..

i try to never point out mistakes, but honestly i have no idea what do you mean in this paragraph for example. really please work a bit on sentence structure/correct words. there are a lot more mistakes ( like:  "their told" - should be "they are told", "their told" doesnt make sense)    where i have to guess what did you mean or i just dont even try.

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