Tashigi.3159 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Is there a reason why so many items are shorts on medium armor but the heavy and light variants turn into weird skirts? See: Sanctified Leggings and Foefire Legwraps for example. Could you at least make the two variants available to all armor types? Thank you 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angesombre.4630 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 I must admit I hadn't seen it, but I'd have liked to have shorts on all types of armor for a change from skirts. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maria Murtor.7253 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Especially annoying for light and heavy Charr classes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Paladin.3871 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 I believe the shorts in sanctified medium and foefire medium leggings are a outfit bug.. its unintended.. anet couldve posted it in some notes about the bug i dont know if theres any notes anywhere but it could be out there... try equipping medium chest and medium legging in foefire at teh same time.. it shows the intended outfit... same goes for sanctified medium chest and medium leggings.... I tried it in preview window as well as actually applying the skin on the character.. the trunks just vanish and the skirts are applied... checked for sanctified set but havent tried for foefire(checked preview window but not applied skin on character).. someone can confirm this 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Paladin.3871 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 the trunks and shorts could be teh inner layer of clothing from the outfit pieces.. the outer layer for some weird reason gets bugged out and not displaying 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Trejgon.2809 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 9 hours ago, Tashigi.3159 said: Is there a reason why so many items are shorts on medium armor but the heavy and light variants turn into weird skirts? See: Sanctified Leggings and Foefire Legwraps for example. Could you at least make the two variants available to all armor types? Thank you The reason is that medium armor have those skirts attached to the chestpiece, and other armor weights attach it to the legpiece. Now why AN decided that sets which are meant to be identical on all weights should have such discrepancy between them, that bit is beyond me. (I am all for all of such armor to get two skin alternatives unlocked for all weights. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danikat.8537 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 2 hours ago, Lord Trejgon.2809 said: The reason is that medium armor have those skirts attached to the chestpiece, and other armor weights attach it to the legpiece. Now why AN decided that sets which are meant to be identical on all weights should have such discrepancy between them, that bit is beyond me. (I am all for all of such armor to get two skin alternatives unlocked for all weights. I think you're right that's the reason for the discrepency, but I also agree it seems weird in this case, not only because the armour is otherwise identical on all 3 armour weights but because there's also a big gap between the top and the skirt which means the usual reason - that light, medium and heavy armour are designed to be 'split' in different places doesn't really make sense here. The usual format for medium armour is to have a long coat or tunic (often knee or ankle length) whereas heavy and medium armour split it at the waist, even if the full set together is supposed to look like one piece of clothing (that's why so much heavy armour has "butt capes"; it's the bottom of a tunic, or sometimes tassets, but attached to the legs instead of the chest piece). So maybe however armour is programmed makes it easier to stick the skirt to the top of the medium armour instead of the legs. It's the same with the Decade's armor set. The full set looks identical on all characters, but the light and heavy versions have the chest piece end at the waist, whereas the medium version includes the skirt. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angesombre.4630 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 I agree, I'm just interested in the medium shorts, which are a bit different from the others. It would have been nice to have them on the light and heavy too. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggie.3184 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 (edited) Those being shorts on medium are basically a flaw due to how they attach the hip pieces to medium armor and they're not really made to be seen. Would be nice to have actual shorts added. I like the Sanctified Leggings as they're closest things to Ninja Shorts we got (basically tight spandex) but they're a little off on the upper part. Maybe if it has the same trim on the bottom put on the top as well~ but its likely cuz it wasn't designed to be seen. Would be nice to have some typical ninja shorts/compression shorts, something like Elonian Leggings but much shorter and diff texture. (shorts like those would have suited the Brawler top they added a while back too) Edited November 20 by Doggie.3184 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tashigi.3159 Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 Even if they are a "flaw", I find the shorts version looks much better when combined with certain chest pieces. I'd hope they make both available to everyone at some point, its basically a free skin, locked for unknown reasons to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Darkblight.1673 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 On 11/20/2023 at 10:42 AM, Lord Trejgon.2809 said: The reason is that medium armor have those skirts attached to the chestpiece, and other armor weights attach it to the legpiece. Now why AN decided that sets which are meant to be identical on all weights should have such discrepancy between them, that bit is beyond me. (I am all for all of such armor to get two skin alternatives unlocked for all weights. I think it is for mixing and matching with other armour pieces. Almost all medium armour is some type of long coat and therefore most medium-only legs are some kind of trousers or leggings. If you had the skirt pieces of multi-weight armour attached to the legs on medium armour there would be horrendous clipping issues with many of the other long coat pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiki.9450 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 Adding in my vote. Yes please, let's get some shorts for the non-medium armour types. More options is always good for cosmetics! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Trejgon.2809 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 5 hours ago, Remus Darkblight.1673 said: I think it is for mixing and matching with other armour pieces. Almost all medium armour is some type of long coat and therefore most medium-only legs are some kind of trousers or leggings. If you had the skirt pieces of multi-weight armour attached to the legs on medium armour there would be horrendous clipping issues with many of the other long coat pieces. Yeah but that means that if I were to combine, let's say, oneiros-spun legpiece and savage scale chestpiece, then despite both pieces belonging to "same on all weights" sets, the result will be drastically different between medium, and other armor classes. Works as well if you flip the sets around, oneiros-spun chestpiece and savage scale legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Darkblight.1673 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 14 hours ago, Lord Trejgon.2809 said: Yeah but that means that if I were to combine, let's say, oneiros-spun legpiece and savage scale chestpiece, then despite both pieces belonging to "same on all weights" sets, the result will be drastically different between medium, and other armor classes. Works as well if you flip the sets around, oneiros-spun chestpiece and savage scale legs. This is because the savage scale set doesn't have a skirt/coat, while the oneiros-spun set does. The sets are only "the same on all weights" when wearing the whole set. Presumably the design philosophy around mixing and matching is to avoid as many clipping issues as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Trejgon.2809 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 1 hour ago, Remus Darkblight.1673 said: The sets are only "the same on all weights" when wearing the whole set. yeah and that is kinda problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Darkblight.1673 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 6 minutes ago, Lord Trejgon.2809 said: yeah and that is kinda problem here. Don't get me wrong, it can be annoying. For example I like how the chest piece looks for the rift hunter armour set on heavy and light, but if I want to wear it on medium it has the big furry barbarian loincloth/belt attached. Unfortunately because of how the majority of other (especially older) medium chests work, that is they are all trench coats, there would be massive ugly clipping issues if the fur belt piece was attached to the legs when worn with those pieces. It sucks, but it's by design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Trejgon.2809 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 21 minutes ago, Remus Darkblight.1673 said: Don't get me wrong, it can be annoying. For example I like how the chest piece looks for the rift hunter armour set on heavy and light, but if I want to wear it on medium it has the big furry barbarian loincloth/belt attached. Unfortunately because of how the majority of other (especially older) medium chests work, that is they are all trench coats, there would be massive ugly clipping issues if the fur belt piece was attached to the legs when worn with those pieces. It sucks, but it's by design. This thread was proposing to get both variants available on all armor weights, which would be clean solution the the problem don't you think? so we can all enjoy the variety of skirtless version on whichever the part, and then, if someone equipped trenchcoat chestpiece with skirt on legspiece, the clipping would be on that person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Darkblight.1673 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 19 minutes ago, Lord Trejgon.2809 said: This thread was proposing to get both variants available on all armor weights, which would be clean solution the the problem don't you think? so we can all enjoy the variety of skirtless version on whichever the part, and then, if someone equipped trenchcoat chestpiece with skirt on legspiece, the clipping would be on that person. A nice idea in principal but I think the practicality of it in terms of implementing it would be prohibitively difficult. The fact they went down the route of split skirts/belts on legs/chest between heavy/light and medium in the first place suggests that the game doesn't differentiate between which armour pieces are being worn together in order to show/hide certain parts of each armour piece accordingly. What you're suggesting sounds like doubling up on a lot of armour skins to have a skirt/non-skirt version of each? This would not only massively increase the wardrobe size, but also require creating a multitude of new items for assets that already exist. Which brings a whole new set of hurdles in terms of development time invested and UI clutter that is probably not worth it for an end result where only half of the skins actually function with each other in order to gain a little bit of freedom with others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Trejgon.2809 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 57 minutes ago, Remus Darkblight.1673 said: What you're suggesting sounds like doubling up on a lot of armour skins to have a skirt/non-skirt version of each? Only the "recent" bunch of series of "these are supposed to look identical on each weights, but split differently", and only for chestpiece and legpiece. So that all weights have "with skirt" and "with no skirt" on both leg and chestpiece. Such skin variant duplication unlocked by same item is not something unheard of - warlord and one of birthday armor sets helmets have a variant with the faceguard lowered and up, and some of VR thingies from the adventure box also come with on/off variants. There are not that many of armor sets I am aware off that are supposed to look same on all weights, so the only issue I can see with that idea, is how much time would it take to produce all alternative variants, in particular I am unsure if AN can just "port" the existing already produced variants to other weight, or if they would need to redo the model for the other weights, since I have heard that different armor weights use different rigging (which in itself is source of alot of issues with GW2 fashion). But if that proved t be unfeasible workload to do in the future, if the need for such action is signaled to AN enough, then at the very least when doing next such set then can make sure we get both variants of chest/legpiece from the get go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiviana.2650 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 Where are these medium shorts?I have found only one and its more of a stripper hot pant with thigh highs instead of shorts. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkeh.4207 Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 Why even limit wardrobe to weight classes? I want some light town clothes on my heavy main. 😂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlinvf.1358 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 (edited) On 11/20/2023 at 11:42 AM, Lord Trejgon.2809 said: The reason is that medium armor have those skirts attached to the chestpiece, and other armor weights attach it to the legpiece. Now why AN decided that sets which are meant to be identical on all weights should have such discrepancy between them, that bit is beyond me. (I am all for all of such armor to get two skin alternatives unlocked for all weights. The metrics are different. especially at the waist line. Some armors cull the underlying model to save render effort. So mixing heavy and med armor means your midsection disappears Edited November 24 by starlinvf.1358 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Trejgon.2809 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 1 hour ago, starlinvf.1358 said: The metrics are different. especially at the waist line. Some armors cull the underlying model to save render effort. So mixing heavy and med armor means your midsection disappears I was not talking about mixing and matching different weights there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera.9435 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 What they actually need to do is not to tie wardrobe to class weight. If the skin is unlocked in wardrobe, you can use it regardless of armor class. That's how it should be. I fail to see how it can't be implemented. The skins are there, and obviously the differences in races are already accounted for in design. A warrior should be able to put on a light-armor top and a mesmer should be able to put on heavy-armor pants if they so wish. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julischka Bean.7491 Posted Tuesday at 12:47 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:47 PM (edited) On 11/22/2023 at 4:10 PM, Tiviana.2650 said: Where are these medium shorts?I have found only one and its more of a stripper hot pant with thigh highs instead of shorts. Sanctified Leggings are bike shorts when worn by medium weight characters. They are the armor in the Wizard's Vault...the place you spend your astral currency. Edited Tuesday at 12:53 PM by Julischka Bean.7491 I am stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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