DanAlcedo.3281 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) Warrior Power-based quickness berserker is the final overperforming build that we're tackling in this update, shifting a bit more of the power away from Bloody Roar and into Blood Reaction to create a larger damage tradeoff for the quickness build. Blood Reaction: Increased the precision to ferocity conversion from 10% to 12% in PvE only. Bloody Roar: Reduced the damage bonus from 20% to 15% in PvE only. A 5% dmg nerf to all Power berserker builds and the none Quickness Power builds get 41 Ferocity (2.73% Crit Dmg) in return. Basically, Numbers on Golem to high. While playrate just reaching an ok place. Personally, i didnt see any Qdps Zerkers around ever. Outside from myself. Same with Power Dps Zerkers. Rather rare. Only place that saw a HUGE increase in Warrior gameplay is openworld. Where you now see up to 10 Warriors in a 50man squad. While not so long ago, seeing 2 Warriors was a rare sight. All in all, im not mad. Its just a number decrease. Edited January 12 by DanAlcedo.3281 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) @DanAlcedo.3281 thats just the "warrior is slighty good now so we gonna nerf it cause no one likes Warrior" kind of a thing i gues ^^ Edited January 12 by Myror.7521 2 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) I'm just happy Spellbreaker and core didn't get nerfed, too. But then again, Spellbreaker already is in a dumpster with nothing left that can realistically be nerfed without it feeling like applying salt to a bone-deep wound. We can be happy we didn't get more changes on the list. Edited January 12 by Fueki.4753 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I'm not gonna pretend like the damage nerf is world ending but you have to appreciate the consistent vicegrip the balance team has on power zerker in particular, yknow 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Marshal.4098 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 5 minutes ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: I'm not gonna pretend like the damage nerf is world ending but you have to appreciate the consistent vicegrip the balance team has on power zerker in particular, yknow A power berserker broke into their house, tied them up when asleep and NTRd their partner probably. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rongaron.9213 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Anyone else still thinks Anet dont hate warrior? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 10 minutes ago, Rongaron.9213 said: Anyone else still thinks Anet dont hate warrior? I take full responsibility 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rongaron.9213 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 at this point, maybe if anet kept nerf power on warriors, then maybe finaly will buff tank...maybe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rongaron.9213 said: at this point, maybe if anet kept nerf power on warriors, then maybe finaly will buff tank...maybe They'll nerf Warrior damage and buff survivability on other professions. Edited January 12 by Fueki.4753 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingSwipe.3084 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 They buffed Guardians... again. Massive shocker that the favored class gets some QOL, quite expected. 4 hours ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said: Warrior Power-based quickness berserker is the final overperforming build that we're tackling in this update, shifting a bit more of the power away from Bloody Roar and into Blood Reaction to create a larger damage tradeoff for the quickness build. Blood Reaction: Increased the precision to ferocity conversion from 10% to 12% in PvE only. Bloody Roar: Reduced the damage bonus from 20% to 15% in PvE only. Are the devs and us playing the same game? This didnt shift the damage, it just reduced it across the board. You would have had to bump the "Blood Reaction" conversion to 17-18% to cover up for the damage loss "Bloody Roar" got. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 58 minutes ago, WingSwipe.3084 said: They buffed Guardians... again. Massive shocker that the favored class gets some QOL, quite expected. Are the devs and us playing the same game? This didnt shift the damage, it just reduced it across the board. You would have had to bump the "Blood Reaction" conversion to 17-18% to cover up for the damage loss "Bloody Roar" got. I wonder if they used the Snowcrows Power Berserker. Because that build overcaps Precision. You only need 2050 to get to 100% Crit Chance. The snowscrows build uses 2140. With 2050 you get 16.4% Crit Dmg and 2140 gets you 17.12% Crit Dmg. Both after the patch. So they could think the 2% extra conversion is more then its really is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingSwipe.3084 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 15 hours ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said: I wonder if they used the Snowcrows Power Berserker. Because that build overcaps Precision. You only need 2050 to get to 100% Crit Chance. The snowscrows build uses 2140. With 2050 you get 16.4% Crit Dmg and 2140 gets you 17.12% Crit Dmg. Both after the patch. So they could think the 2% extra conversion is more then its really is. No way they based the nerfs off the min/maxers. That never happens. 🙄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyroBandit.7803 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 A nerf to the insane damage output of Power Quickness Berserker is deserved, but a nerf to the full dps version is not, compared to where other power classes currently sit. The conversion trait needs to be bumped further - maybe to 15% to match the condi amount to avoid hurting the full dps variant. A wider rework to Quickness on the class is probably needed to put it in a place where its damage can actually be balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KryTiKaL.3125 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/12/2024 at 2:40 PM, Fueki.4753 said: I'm just happy Spellbreaker and core didn't get nerfed, too. But then again, Spellbreaker already is in a dumpster with nothing left that can realistically be nerfed without it feeling like applying salt to a bone-deep wound. We can be happy we didn't get more changes on the list. At this point seeing them not dropping some random, nonsense, nerf out of nowhere for no perceivable reason on something with Warrior is a win. Thats where we are at right now unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 3 hours ago, KryTiKaL.3125 said: At this point seeing them not dropping some random, nonsense, nerf out of nowhere for no perceivable reason on something with Warrior is a win. Thats where we are at right now unfortunately. It's just sad to see that Single-Minded Fury Warriors in WoW are in a far better place than GW2 Warriors and Blizzard literally ignores the existence of SMF mains. Edited January 14 by Fueki.4753 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Ah... Here I thought they couldn't make the arms traitline which give % crit chance instead of precision any less popular... I guess the devs still know how to push the limits of the possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anbujackson.9564 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 To be fair, quickness zerker was way too good. It probably still is very strong. Just be glad that it didnt end like deadeye which was basically the exact same glass cannon. But to be fair its not like they can tune down zerker just like deadeye since dps quickness is the only viable support build for warrior (no one likes alac bladesworn). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingSwipe.3084 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 No one is mad quick zerker got nerfs, we are pissed that regular power zerker got nerfed in the cross fire. These things are easily avoidable but whoever is balancing warrior at Anet cant seem grasp the concept of "cause and effect". Either that or they nerf it because its funny to them, you be the judge. Same thing happened to power zerker in pvp when they nerfed all the durability traits in the zerker tree due to condi zerker. To fix Condi zerker in pvp they litteraly just need to remove one stack of confusion from the mace primal burst skill and it cant proc the Akeem relic anymore without "Blood Reckoning". They need to bump the numbers of "Blood Reaction" to even out the damage nerf to regular power zerker, but that wont happen so for now this is just a flat nerf to power. Things like this keep happening to power zerker and in the current situation its death by a thousand cuts. Just look at the "Arc Divider" nerfs that kept happening throughout 2023. Do you think this wouldnt be hotfixed on other professions that are currently favoured by the devs? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) Not surprised ... I think there have been enough instances to indicate that Anet are willing to make change that over reach their targets to get an achieved result. In otherwords, if they don't have a direct way to nerf Power QBerserker, they don't have a problem nerfing PBerserker as a whole because maintaining a role-based framework for endgame content is probably a significant goal. If that has some collateral damage, they are OK with that because it's NOT part of their role-based endgame team approach. But hey, people wanted "balance" ... this is way better than what we had before roles. Edited January 14 by Obtena.7952 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacekid.1463 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 didnt expect them to make warriors worst than trash atm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeTect.5918 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) On 1/12/2024 at 8:40 PM, Fueki.4753 said: I'm just happy Spellbreaker and core didn't get nerfed, too. But then again, Spellbreaker already is in a dumpster with nothing left that can realistically be nerfed without it feeling like applying salt to a bone-deep wound. We can be happy we didn't get more changes on the list. to be honest, considering spellbreaker only can do 1 thing its a shame it does that low dps. It cant deal condi dmg, it cant heal, it cant support. Its only use is power dps and even there it isnt good in comparison to lets say bladesworn or berserker. It probably needs to be buffed by like 2k dps or something imo. If they nerf spellbreakers damage it would probably be at quickdps dmg but without quickness. Edited January 17 by SeTect.5918 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KryTiKaL.3125 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 1/17/2024 at 2:49 PM, SeTect.5918 said: to be honest, considering spellbreaker only can do 1 thing its a shame it does that low dps. It cant deal condi dmg, it cant heal, it cant support. Its only use is power dps and even there it isnt good in comparison to lets say bladesworn or berserker. It probably needs to be buffed by like 2k dps or something imo. If they nerf spellbreakers damage it would probably be at quickdps dmg but without quickness. The reason for that is likely how they more than likely view the power budget of Spellbreaker, likely assigning a great deal of "power" to boon strip, which given the prominence and importance of boons is not entirely incorrect, however there is a failure of recognition as to just how weak Spellbreakers is compared to the boon strip/corrupt that Necromancer has. WoD was strong, but its been nerfed into obscurity. Spellbreaker also lacks in damage due to this so it opts for leaning into stacking CCs for boon strip with Hammer to try and compensate for that. Problem being that there is very little downtime between boon applications or reapplication in any given fight, be it 1v1, small group or zerg, so Spellbreaker just does not keep up with Necromancer here because it does not have consistency or a high enough frequency of it to even be comparable. I think one solution would be to expand the Disenchantment effect that is unique to Winds of Disenchantment across Spellbreaker more. For instance, have it apply for X seconds when landing a burst skill so that the thing Spellbreaker was designed to do...it actually does. It can actually lock out boon application, which is strong but it would justify the current state of its damage, at least, by giving a unique value to its presence in a fight outside of just "hue hue I step in AoE to trigger Full Counter" because with the animation weirdness surrounding Breaching Strike (with all the Superspeed in this game people just walk away from it basically and it misses) and the overall generally niche and mostly useless Spellbreaker utility skills it really does not bring much to the table. ANet seems genuinely afraid to give Warrior tools to use...meanwhile Rangers, Necromancers, Engineers, Elementalists, Guardians, Mesmers, Revenant, on and on...hell this upcoming patch they are making Barrage on Ranger (the Longbow AoE skill) have 2 ammo in WvW...right. Because it definitely needed that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Its forever scuffed It won't not be scuffed Turn chat off and fight with your half class 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloc Freidon.5692 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Savage Instinct still swaps your Berserk skill to the old, out of date version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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