Eddie.9143 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 mauls hitting for 9k, storm spirit, stealthing for 5+ seconds, insane sustain. build is just absolutely cracked and needs immediate adjustment. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 yep 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Yep, can't wait for the 'maces are busted beyond belif' Eddie topic in a week or so 😂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Cousin Eddie... shitters full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny.7260 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) There are things worth noting. Untamed is fairly balanced in 5v5s, it can roam really well, deal some good damage, handle some team fight situations, the works. Also note that things like D/D (or Hammer) Catalyst can do similar things. What are some things these two have in common? A plethora of buttons to select and juggle. In a 1v1 they can be straight up obnoxious to fight due to their flexibility. But flexibility is a good thing. Power Untamed isn't busted, other specs just aren't given the opportunity to be as flexible. The upcoming changes will be changing that, possibly for Willbender, and will open some doors for options more and more. I'm enthusiastic to see Willbender smacking harder while also have damage reduction from F3 + prot/resolution. They're giving Elementalist more buttons via Arcane Wave being a leap.... But also smacking FA Weaver pretty hard. Edit: Forgot to mention the only thing that might need looked at is Storm Spirit having no tell is a bit insane, just give it an AoE tell. Edited February 22 by Vinny.7260 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Vinny.7260 said: they can be straight up obnoxious to fight due to their flexibility. But flexibility is a good thing. give everyone a smoke field so everything can be flexible 2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Vinny.7260 said: There are things worth noting. Untamed is fairly balanced in 5v5s, it can roam really well, deal some good damage, handle some team fight situations, the works. Also note that things like D/D (or Hammer) Catalyst can do similar things. What are some things these two have in common? A plethora of buttons to select and juggle. In a 1v1 they can be straight up obnoxious to fight due to their flexibility. But flexibility is a good thing. Power Untamed isn't busted, other specs just aren't given the opportunity to be as flexible. The upcoming changes will be changing that, possibly for Willbender, and will open some doors for options more and more. I'm enthusiastic to see Willbender smacking harder while also have damage reduction from F3 + prot/resolution. They're giving Elementalist more buttons via Arcane Wave being a leap.... But also smacking FA Weaver pretty hard. Edit: Forgot to mention the only thing that might need looked at is Storm Spirit having no tell is a bit insane, just give it an AoE tell. ppl are annoyed of being nearly one shot from stealth, a thing that catalyst can't do, it also has more mobility on top of, again, stealth. It's going to be nerfed if it wins mat anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny.7260 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 9 minutes ago, Khalisto.5780 said: ppl are annoyed of being nearly one shot from stealth, a thing that catalyst can't do, it also has more mobility on top of, again, stealth. It's going to be nerfed if it wins mat anyways. Why not just give other professions more reveal then? That's a way to nerf Untamed without nerfing Untamed. We've got a bunch of utilities that are great advocates for being upgraded to have more, well, more. Willbender could totally use a reveal, Ele could use a reveal, Warrior needs a better reveal, etc etc. Maybe even Necromancer getting a reveal (although condi Reaper kinda bullies Untamed anyway). 13 minutes ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: give everyone a smoke field so everything can be flexible Or give people the ability to handle stealth better via a utility slot swap or trait swap. Upgrades people, upgrades. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArtOfMouts.7468 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Storm spirit ? Because of the Vulnerability ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 49 minutes ago, Vinny.7260 said: Why not just give other professions more reveal then? That's a way to nerf Untamed without nerfing Untamed. We've got a bunch of utilities that are great advocates for being upgraded to have more, well, more. Willbender could totally use a reveal, Ele could use a reveal, Warrior needs a better reveal, etc etc. Maybe even Necromancer getting a reveal (although condi Reaper kinda bullies Untamed anyway). I'm against nerfing stealth overall, i think stealth spam is an issue, but it's a thief only issue. I'm not sure about this "nerf Untamed without nerfing Untamed", it's more likely to happen nerf a bunch of core stuff to nerf untamed. And in this case i'd like to nerf untamed to nerf untamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, TheArtOfMouts.7468 said: Storm spirit ? Because of the Vulnerability ? Its one of the hardest hitting skills in the game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aymnad.9023 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) 7 hours ago, Khalisto.5780 said: ppl are annoyed of being nearly one shot from stealth, a thing that catalyst can't do, it also has more mobility on top of, again, stealth. It's going to be nerfed if it wins mat anyways. There has not been any untamed in the finals (on EU) for a while now whereas there have been some cata. Also cata fa has more mobility than untamed. Both specs are good but have been slightly below what others brought for mat but versatile enough for ranked. Edited February 22 by aymnad.9023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdawgie.1835 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) @Khalisto.5780 @Vinny.7260 @Gotejjeken.1267 This is a prime opportunity to bring other classes up to Ranger, instead of breaking ranger down. Undounbtley - core will be focused and the profession will be damaged for a few months. I would be consistent on the forums to request other classes have adjustments made to them and be VERY VERY specific for Anet - instead of asking ranger to get rocked vaguely. Just my two cents here - no real dog in this fight tbh. Just tired of things being torn away with the wave of a hand. We barley got a game mode left. Edited February 22 by jdawgie.1835 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) 27 minutes ago, jdawgie.1835 said: This is a prime opportunity to bring other classes up to Ranger, instead of breaking ranger down. Undounbtley - core will be focused and the profession will be damaged for a few months. Well, they did remove shared anguish as part of upcoming patch and that's a core trait--so the pre-nerfs have begun. Out of curiosity, what other classes need to be brought up to ranger? Edited February 22 by Gotejjeken.1267 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie.9143 Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said: Well, they did remove shared anguish as part of upcoming patch and that's a core trait--so the pre-nerfs have begun. Out of curiosity, what other classes need to be brought up to ranger? rev. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 hours ago, Eddie.9143 said: rev. give rev smoke field on every build. problem solved. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 48 minutes ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: give rev smoke field on every build. problem solved. Will trade the smoke field for the mass evade frames Vindi has access to. At this point though, you could take the smoke field away, and probably the entire pet and you two still get wrecked by ranger to come here asking for random nerfs 😂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 @Vinny.7260 i think the right thing to handle stealth would be.... self reveal you Hit the targed or you just do miss hit it. Right now its that you just could spam skills as often as you want and not get any reveal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onlyflameone.2136 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Dude I got hit 13+ k soul beast Wordly Impact on my dare devil :d 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdawgie.1835 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 13 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said: Out of curiosity, what other classes need to be brought up to ranger? 13 hours ago, Eddie.9143 said: rev. Yes - It needs more useful utility. A little more access to stability. In the case of my post though - I was intentioanlly being nonspecific though. Just bring classes up to match others instead the break down approach we get. 13 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said: Well, they did remove shared anguish as part of upcoming patch and that's a core trait--so the pre-nerfs have begun. I haven't looked so Idk - but I believe you. This is what always happens. Edited February 23 by jdawgie.1835 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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