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We are here fellow engineers... core weapons are useless now.

Rifle went into oblivion when soto gave us weapon mastery to use hammer on any spec.

And now jw brought us spear which made pistols inferior.

There is no reason to use core weapons right now, they desperately need buffs (at least in terms of DPS).

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Yeah sry I can't relate to that, been doing Fractal CMs this week with Pistols, and I'm still top DPS most of the time lol, I only use Spear atm while clearing Fracs but on boss fight I switch back to Pistols, Do not give that BS that "bUt PisToL and Rifle is techIcaLlY close rAnGed toO" Boy... I can't count anymore how many times our Ranged DPS carried our butts in alot of situations that you can't melee the boss etc,
When are you guys gonna realize that ranged weapons with braindead easy rotations shouldn't be dealing the same DPS as melee weapons
If you guys are that insecure with your DPS, just turn off arc.

The only thing I can suggest for Pistol is to put Projectile Finisher on Poison Dart Valley (Pistol 2) in both PvE/PVP and give Rifle's Jump Shot (Rifle 5) a longer leap distance on both PvP/PvE, If they will buff Pistols and Rifles' damage to match engi melee weaponry, we will just get another Condi Virt 2.0.

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How long condi virtu is going? A year already? Seems Anet is OK with that. So why dont make engie virtu 2.0? (oh wait then they need to make pistol range 1200)

About spear. Dmg is ok but theres zero sustain in this melee weapon what makes me confused. Why the hell ranger maces has healing, barrier, CC, good damage also being not very difficult rotation?

And Rifle is a joke. Noobie trap for Mech players. I myself use it right now in new expansion just to finish it and in OW it works so thats that. Agree on any possible buff to rifle, distance on 5? yeah cool, also why the hell theres evade on finish of animation and not whole animation? Also dmg for rifle 5 giving how long and clunky skill is is too low.

Anyway lets wait for qol engie buffs in future when some of devs will finally decide to test this class 🙂

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, mov.1246 said:

We are here fellow engineers... core weapons are useless now.

Rifle went into oblivion when soto gave us weapon mastery to use hammer on any spec.

And now jw brought us spear which made pistols inferior.

There is no reason to use core weapons right now, they desperately need buffs (at least in terms of DPS).

I still play pistols in pvp/wvw because I am some kind of masochist, but they are severely outclassed for several reasons:

  • long duration condi means very little of the damage actually sticks. Eg. the autoattack is mostly bleed, and that bleed gets cleansed every few seconds. Same with the poison from Poison Dart Volley, even worse with the long burns on Blowtorch.
  • no hard CC, and the soft CC is ineffective. You can't interrupt anything. Blind does very little against most threats in the game (lots of things now hit 7x, so blind is 1/7th as effective as it used to be). The immob/cripple on Glue Shot is extremely short, and is often ignored by resistance anyway.
  • not enough power damage (in pvp/wvw) to make up for these shortcomings.

I really think they need to undo the 2020 nerfs for this weapon, making Blowtorch more like the PvE version, and making long condi stacks into short double-stacks so that the damage actually works. Static shot could do with a very short (1/4s) daze on the first hit so that you can actually interrupt things.

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17 hours ago, Gendalfs.7521 said:

How long condi virtu is going? A year already? Seems Anet is OK with that. So why dont make engie virtu 2.0? (oh wait then they need to make pistol range 1200)

About spear. Dmg is ok but theres zero sustain in this melee weapon what makes me confused. Why the hell ranger maces has healing, barrier, CC, good damage also being not very difficult rotation?

And Rifle is a joke. Noobie trap for Mech players. I myself use it right now in new expansion just to finish it and in OW it works so thats that. Agree on any possible buff to rifle, distance on 5? yeah cool, also why the hell theres evade on finish of animation and not whole animation? Also dmg for rifle 5 giving how long and clunky skill is is too low.

Anyway lets wait for qol engie buffs in future when some of devs will finally decide to test this class 🙂

Know what outDPSes condi virtuoso? Power virtuoso. Which uses spear. A melee weapon. It's almost like they made mesmer spear specifically to tempt mesmer DPS builds back into melee.

It's a general balance principle that if you're willing to go into melee, you can get more DPS and/or more survivability to compensate for the increased risk of being in melee. When you see full ranged DPS builds, it usually means one of three things:

1) Something got overtuned.

2) There is no suitable melee weapon for the build, or any such weapon is severely undertuned.

3) Suitable weapons are more oriented towards survivability than damage.

Condivirt, for the record, is in the second of those categories.

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Quite a bit overblown. If you only look at what's happening vs a golem the numbers are better but in the real world they will be worst. P/P will be more consistently. Spear will have more gaps where you can't do anything to the target except spam another kit.

Rifle does need something to spice up it's life. It can work in certain circumstances but overall it's not hybrid enough or power enough.. it's more of a support kit for Grenade Kit.

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3 hours ago, Gendalfs.7521 said:

For me one thing thats drives away from melee is visual clarity. Nothing will fix that so for people like me ranged will always be better.

So youre saying that spear is so much better for mesmer? Hmm need to try out.

https://imgur.com/a/MEaz1xw

What visual clarity?😅 (pretty sure there is a bug with the spear animations, this happened to the two mechs using spear last night, others were seeing little blips but not like this).

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3 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said:

It would still be great if the pistol AA was updated to ACTUALLY HAVE THE HIGHER RATE OF FIRE ITS BEEN SPECIFIED AS BY ANET FOR THE PAST 14 YEARS BUT NEVER HAD.

And maybe the explosion tag that was promised in... 2013, I think.

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