No increase in Homestead decoration cap?

[Solomon Darkfury.3729]

Soooooo nothing in the update notes about expanding the decoration cap even though many have been clamoring for it? 

 

And we got MORE new decorations with the update... literally 90% of the land in my Homestead is empty and I'm at max cap...

[Bloodstealer.5978]

Yip unfortunately its a dead system to me and others now. Like others i am already maxed at 1k deco's with so much open space to use.. total waste of time now even bothering with it, its just a nice fast resource collect for the day and nothing else... just like Guild Halls, another 1/2 baited idea push to the dunny.. no idea why they even bothered to push out further deco's at this point and certainly no point releasing a wintersday set either now.

Edited November 19 by Bloodstealer.5978

[Solomon Darkfury.3729]

10 minutes ago, Bloodstealer.5978 said:

Yip unfortunately its a dead system to me and others now. Like others i am already maxed at 1k deco's with so much open space to use.. total waste of time now even bothering with it, its just a nice fast resource collect for the day and nothing else... just like Guild Halls, another 1/2 baited idea push to the dunny.. no idea why they even bothered to push out further deco's at this point and certainly no point releasing a wintersday set either now.

Yeah, I don't even want to buy decorations now because I can't place them... it's just ridiculous...

[CarolGam.2649]

I totally agree. I was so disapointed to see that the cap hasn't been increased. I've reached the limit and my house and gardens look lovely so I don't want to remove anything in order to add new decorations. I was planning that the large expanse of land beyond the garden wall would be a long term thing for me, add a bit here and there over time until it was eventually filled, but now it seems it will just have to remain empty. I'm still holding out a little hope though that maybe they will increase it in time.

Edited November 19 by CarolGam.2649

[Vadiana.8743]

1k deco limit? Ha! Some of my rooms and the adjacent area near the house are empty because of the limit in the radius of 600 - here is the real problem. 😅😑

[Ant.9720]

Because both of those limitations, I can't do much to my homestead. I was hoping ANet will at least handle one of the two issues.
This kind of defeats the purpose of introducing new decorations.

[SoftFootpaws.9134]

i'm starting to think they expected players to just make jump puzzles and stuff with the homesteads of instead of actually decorating the house and the land? i feel like even a small increase to 1300 would be a massive improvement over what we have now!

Edited November 20 by SoftFootpaws.9134

[plugger.1249]

i'm gonna remove all the pumpkins of mine in order to make something new, 1000 is too low ,,, i need 5000 minimum ....

 

[BlenderX.4710]

Homesteads were the best thing about this expansion and they're ruining it with these too low limits. My homestead is unusable and its still mostly empty. If they plan to add a mastery or something that expands the item limit in the future, or better, removes the limits altogether, the least they could do is say, "yeah, hang in there, this is coming!" 

[Noidea Incognito.9607]

A lot of People have been posting Homestead stuff for the Showcase.

While i have been min/max my decoration usage to maximize the visual pay off (theme wise), those other peeps fill their pictures with loads of decorations placement... which only will reinforce Anet's decision to NOT increase the limit cause the pictures will show its "sufficient" for its feature.

Of course this is superficial; cause the entire Homestead instance is so big that a 1000 decoration limit could never do it justice.

Fingers crossed with the final update it is o7

Edited November 20 by Noidea Incognito.9607

[CrashTestAuto.9108]

Very disappointed - increasing the limit was the main thing I was hoping for this patch.  The new decorations are cool but only if they can actually fit 😞 

Obviously I don't have ANet's data, but surely the overlap of "People who are near or at the 1000 limit" and "People who would be willing to spend cash on gem store decorations" makes this a really weird business decision?

[Ashantara.8731]

I am at 979 out of 1,000.

I only have two bridges, a globe, 5 legendary armor sets, one simple race track roofing, one holographic track, two djinn teleportation mirrors, and that new Kodan Fish Tank left to place (as soon as all those become available), and then I will be fully done with my Homestead project.

That also means I won't be able to add any further festival decoration due to the cap. 😞 

@Rubi Bayer.8493, any information whether the cap is permanent or if the devs are looking into ways to raise it? Any response would be helpful, thank you.

Edited November 20 by Ashantara.8731

[Eloc Freidon.5692]

It was beyond reason to expect a dec cap increase this early. They are still deciding if they should sell us a cap increase or give it some other way.

The focus is that features and options are still incomplete or missing.

[Sugar Min.5834]

Before this first JW update was release,  I was so sure that they would increase or sell limit upgrade in the gem store. A huge let-down, as usual 😞 Many has already capped their limits with less than 50% of their map decoration done. And, I thought this update will give us skins for the house, workshop, mount pen or Homestead Doorway. Nothing. We get just 10 new decorations, which are useful and well done tbh, and some old guild hall decors.

If they are not going to or can't increase our limits (system limitation?), why give us such a big house, totaling 8 rooms, and a huge open world space with underwater areas thrown in? I can't buy more decorations or put up anything new now. We cannot fully decorate the farm, the house and  the area outside the farm. You are capping our creativity limits. Thanks again ANet.

PS  ..and the homestead is still  crawling with lots of visual bugs. Nothing fixed.

Edited November 21 by Sugar Min.5834

[Arianth Moonlight.6453]

I don't really care about the housing aspect, but I've finished decorating my homestead, ignoring the actual house part because I find it unnecessary, and I'm quite proud of the results! The best part? I've managed to do it with just 299 decorations!

this is why I always suggest to Anet that they shouldn't cater to the same crowd that's never satisfied, always complaining that 'it's not enough' or 'you've ruined my fanfiction; I could do it better.' True artists make the most of what they're given. If homesteading doesn't meet your creative needs, there are plenty of other sandbox games out there to explore.

[Ashantara.8731]

7 hours ago, Eloc Freidon.5692 said:

It was beyond reason to expect a dec cap increase this early. They are still deciding if they should sell us a cap increase or give it some other way.

Or they are still trying to figure out how to increase the cap without breaking anything, which sounds more likely. 🤷‍♀️

As of today, I am at 982/1,000 (with at least 12 more upcoming standard decoration objects I have planned to add) and thus won't be able to buy any new Gem Store Decoration Packages, nor add any future Festival Decortion due to the current cap. 😕

@Rubi Bayer.8493 I would like to point out that I am not one of those crazy creative decorators that have built unbelieveable creations stuffed with tons of small objects. I think my place looks rather "normal" in that regard, yet I have no placeable object slots left to waste in order to decorate whatever empty spaces I have left. So that's pretty sad.
 

Edited November 21 by Ashantara.8731

[Sugar Min.5834]

1 hour ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said:

I don't really care about the housing aspect, but I've finished decorating my homestead, ignoring the actual house part because I find it unnecessary, and I'm quite proud of the results! The best part? I've managed to do it with just 299 decorations!

this is why I always suggest to Anet that they shouldn't cater to the same crowd that's never satisfied, always complaining that 'it's not enough' or 'you've ruined my fanfiction; I could do it better.' True artists make the most of what they're given. If homesteading doesn't meet your creative needs, there are plenty of other sandbox games out there to explore.

First of all, I am not an artist, so bad example there. Secondly, we know you don't really care about housing that is  why you did it with just 299 decorations. Thirdly, never satisfied like ANet already increased once or twice and we are still not satisfied? Nothing was increased. Of course you wouldn't know, you are satisfied with just 299. And if you really wouldnt care about housing, why you care about those that cared asking for more to decorate? 😵

Edited November 21 by Sugar Min.5834

[Arianth Moonlight.6453]

4 minutes ago, Sugar Min.5834 said:

First of all, I am not an artist, so bad example there. Secondly, we know you don't really care about housing that is  why you did it with just 299 decorations. Thirdly, never satisfied like ANet already increased once or twice and we are still not satisfied? Nothing was increased. Of course you wouldn't know, you are satisfied with just 299. And if you really wouldnt care about housing, why you care about those that cared asking for more to decorate? 😵

just showing support to the Team. They are getting a lot of heat lately. 🙂

also, just pointing out that once they increase the cap, you will ask for more, then again and again... So, better use those resources on something else.

[willow.8209]

31 minutes ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said:

once they increase the cap, you will ask for more, then again and again

That's possible but it doesn't mean the current cap isn't sufficient. They could increase it once or twice and then stop doing more. Something is better than nothing.

I don't want to spend many mats on decorating until I get a backpack or whatever, but it's something I'm interested in at a later point

[Ashantara.8731]

13 hours ago, Sugar Min.5834 said:

PS  ..and the homestead is still  crawling with lots of visual bugs. Nothing fixed.

Since the "upgrade" to DX11, all the lighting decoration, especially the one that has been added with Janthir Wilds, is awful light effect-wise. As soon as you turn the camera and the light source gets to the edge of the screen, or as soon as you move away a certain distance, it starts to flicker on/off unnaturally (disco ball-like).

Makes me really sad with all the light sources I have placed to illuminate my place at night. 😢 Even the moon as a light source does crazy things to the leaves on my trees.

On 11/20/2024 at 1:32 AM, Ant.9720 said:

This kind of defeats the purpose of introducing new decorations.

💯% this.

 

Edited November 21 by Ashantara.8731

[CrashTestAuto.9108]

3 hours ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said:

I don't really care about the housing aspect, but I've finished decorating my homestead, ignoring the actual house part because I find it unnecessary, and I'm quite proud of the results! The best part? I've managed to do it with just 299 decorations!

this is why I always suggest to Anet that they shouldn't cater to the same crowd that's never satisfied, always complaining that 'it's not enough' or 'you've ruined my fanfiction; I could do it better.' True artists make the most of what they're given. If homesteading doesn't meet your creative needs, there are plenty of other sandbox games out there to explore.

If you've finished your homestead already, then you don't sound like someone who would be spending money to buy gem store decoration packages.  So why would you be the kind of player they should cater to?  This was a major expac feature, and they're continuously investing in it already.  Making it so it's easier to monetise is almost necessary for this to be worthwhile effort.

1 hour ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said:

just showing support to the Team. They are getting a lot of heat lately. 🙂

Customer feedback is important.  The people who are asking for extra decorations obviously like the Homestead system, or they wouldn't have got near the cap.

Also, it isn't likely the devs who built the Homestead who are making decisions on what to prioritise, how to monetise, or when to communicate with customers - which is the main issue here.

1 hour ago, Arianth Moonlight.6453 said:

also, just pointing out that once they increase the cap, you will ask for more, then again and again... So, better use those resources on something else.

This is at least unfounded, and I'd argue untrue.  If a diner customer asks for a refill on a cup of coffee, there's no reason to assume that they're going to want infinite beverages, and therefore you should stop spending resources on drinks.

The size of the Homestead is large, but finite.  Currently 1000 decorations is limiting if you want to cover all of it.  At a guess I would say a reasonable coverage would be:

• 1k - too low
• 2-3k - minimum viable limit for people who enjoy the system
• 4-5k - more than enough for most avid Homestead players
• 10k - required for content creators/super dedicated

Without knowing the technical limitations, I think a reasonable approach would have been to increase by 500 per quarterly release, so we landed at 2.5k whilst avoiding players hitting the real cap before each decoration wave.  Then monetised every 500 beyond that up to the technical limit.

[Noidea Incognito.9607]

@Arianth Moonlight.6453 Nothing wrong with showing support; their only human after all.... not flawless ai Deus Ex Roboto.

But i am of the opinion:

Creative usage of assets within/because of constrains isn't True Creativity.

That's like saying: I have 1 slice of bread cause i'm not allowed to have 2.  But i really want 2, cuz i'm hungry.... oh wait! lemme just divide that 1 slice into  2 halves, now i have creatively solved my 2 slice bread predicament...surely i will feel less hungry now. 

joke aside;

True creativity(expression of self) can only flourish if the imposed constrains do not interfere/suffocate.

They sort off brought such responses upon themselves cause the Whole Homestead instance is huge. This created expectations of what was possible...

Which will automatically result in one's scope of creative possibilities to expand to match that vast "playground". 

If the build zone was much more compressed to say; a little around the main Homestead buildings then 1000 limit would be a reasonable digit / more balanced.

 

True creativity never stops.

I did the min/max thing because of the 1000 restriction; it works sort off, but to make it / begin a permanent thing, the cap needs to be increased.

I am talking about a complete Town(+ interiors) for the Alts to be stationed, to breathe more life into the entire zone.... not just the main homestead building.

If the cap doesn't increase and i am condemned  to "poor" Creative expression with this feature, then i rather choose not to do so.  

No worries even then; i can still use it for min/max scenes and alternatively as a large video room for green/blue/white screen content.(more creative possibilities)

 

Again... fingers crossed with final update. o7

 

Edited November 21 by Noidea Incognito.9607

[Solomon Darkfury.3729]

15 hours ago, Noidea Incognito.9607 said:

True creativity never stops

100% this... anyone who is into player housing in games will tell you that decorating NEVER stops...

[Ashantara.8731]

14 hours ago, Solomon Darkfury.3729 said:

100% this... anyone who is into player housing in games will tell you that decorating NEVER stops...

This is actually true, but given the circumstances, mine has to stop now.😕 I have exactly 15 object slots left until I hit the cap, and those slots are already preplanned, so no more new decoration, Gem Store, Festival or otherwise, for me. 😞 Can't even build a decent beach area with a harbor and boats, what a bummer.

[BlenderX.4710]

I had an idea today for a little town with cobbled streets. And a magical hedge maze garden.

But oh, right. No decorations left. :\

I would've bought the gem store plushies too if I had the space. They're cute but... priorities. I'm on rations here.

anet, if you put 1000 item increases and allowed us to buy an unlimited number of these for the price of a character slot I would never get off this game. Why don't you want my money?!

 

 

Edited November 24 by BlenderX.4710